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[Rellin]

I am back to playing Eve Online.  Also played some Xcom and Mechwarrior Online.  GW2 was fun for the $60, and well worth it, but it has no long term playability.

[Daesu]

Shatteredz, on 28 November 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

No support, but no bad words either. I havnt seen a single person in-game complain about it yet. Not in the wvw chat, not in the guild chat, not in the map chat in LA. nowhere. The only people here feeding these ascended tier killed gw2 are gw1 players that feel cheated on because of a additional tier grind(quess what, according to power unlimited they are going to raise the level cap on the next expansion anyway). I am not saying they shouldnt be, IMO they are totally right.

Just a few points why the poll is flawed:
1: Why would most people that are in favor of ascended stuff first enter a topic that is about "QQ ascended tier"
2: Why would people post instead of enjoying their new content.
3: A major part of gwguru are gw1 players, the players that got hit the "hardest" by this update.
4: People are going to rage on the forums if they dont like stuff. People are gonna enjoy and play if they enjoy the content.

Just because you dont notice discussions in the chat doesn't necessarily imply that everyone is FOR the ascended item update.  I have never discussed about any of the updates in the game myself but that doesn't necessarily mean I like all of them, as you are well aware by now.

Besides GW1 players, there are also other players from WoW that left WoW because GW2 offered them something different, or so they thought in the beginning.  Afterall, if we have always wanted to play a MMO like WoW, why not just play WoW?

Why post instead of enjoying the new content?  Perhaps because some of us don't enjoy the new content.  Furthermore, it is a matter of upholding principles that we believe in.  Just because we are caught in a gear treadmill doesn't mean we have to like it.

I am ready for any evidence to support your view that most players in the game support ArenaNet's stance with the vertical progression and ascended gear grind.  Or is that all you have?

Edited by Daesu, 28 November 2012 - 01:33 AM.

[Shatteredz]

Daesu, on 28 November 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

Just because you dont notice discussions in the chat doesn't necessarily imply that everyone is FOR the ascended item update.  I have never discussed about any of the updates in the game myself but that doesn't necessarily mean I like all of them, as you are well aware by now.

Besides GW1 players, there are also other players from WoW that left WoW because GW2 offered them something different, or so they thought in the beginning.  Afterall, if we have always wanted to play a MMO like WoW, why not just play WoW?

Why post instead of enjoying the new content?  Perhaps because some of us don't enjoy the new content.  Furthermore, it is a matter of upholding principles that we believe in.  Just because we are caught in a gear treadmill doesn't mean we have to like it.

I am ready for any evidence to support your view that most players in the game support ArenaNet's stance with the vertical progression and ascended gear grind.  Or is that all you have?

Lets start with the fact that I have as much evidence as you do. A twisted and biased poll that was released before the update on a fansite that is dominated by the gw1 community. The poll means nothing and doesnt reflect a single bit of the general opinion in-game. My map chat probably havs more credability then that poll does, because pretty much every kind of player will be in LA alot.
For all we know all players in that poll dont even have a copy of guildwars2. That poll means nothing and doesnt reflect the voice of the community in all likelyhood.
Then again, lets see if Anet really loses ~20% of their playerbase, according to your poll. Becauses polls are the truth, right?

Daesu, on 28 November 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

Why post instead of enjoying the new content?  Perhaps because some of us don't enjoy the new content.  Furthermore, it is a matter of upholding principles that we believe in.  Just because we are caught in a gear treadmill doesn't mean we have to like it.

Exactly. And because you dont like it you complain. People that like it have no reason to complain, no reason to open that thread and no reason to vote for it.

Also, the gear is nowhere near required for anything. Wanna do pvp? go pvp. wanna do WvW? go ahead, u probably wont even notice if the guy is wearing exotic or ascended rings. Wanna do PvE? Go ahead, unless you are doing fractals 20+ u wont need any of those rings anyway.

This aint wow, the gear is not a requirement for anything besides the dungeon it is gained in. This update does alot for those that want a goal after exotics and dont like legendary's. If you dont like it, dont do it.

Edited by Shatteredz, 28 November 2012 - 02:18 AM.

[Daesu]

Shatteredz, on 28 November 2012 - 01:54 AM, said:

For all we know all players in that poll dont even have a copy of guildwars2. That poll means nothing and doesnt reflect the voice of the community in all likelyhood.
Then again, lets see if Anet really loses ~20% of their playerbase, according to your poll. Becauses polls are the truth, right?.

Actually according to that poll, the majority of the players would still continue to play GW2 even though more of them are against the ascended update.  Like I said, just because many of us are trapped in a gear treadmill doesn't mean we have to like it.

Even if you completely dismiss the results of the poll, you still have nothing to back up your claim to the contrary.

Edited by Daesu, 28 November 2012 - 02:06 AM.

[Vence]

The entire concept of seperating everyone by their personal storylines was a huge mistake. One of the best pve aspect of gw1 was that the missions and primary quests for progressing through the game required a 5-8 member party to form up in the respective town/outpost. That way, each outpost was full of people looking for a group, and that made the pve truly epic.

[Sleepyx732]

They're waiting for the expansion. Today rarely is a game finished before it's $40 "expansion".

[ToySoldier]

Daesu, on 28 November 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

Actually according to that poll, the majority of the players would still continue to play GW2 even though more of them are against the ascended update.  Like I said, just because many of us are trapped in a gear treadmill doesn't mean we have to like it.

Even if you completely dismiss the results of the poll, you still have nothing to back up your claim to the contrary.

Hear ye.  Hear ye!    I would just like to add only 1 friend on my contact list has logged in in the last week.  The rest, including casual acquaintances I made in Mad King and Lost Shore events, have not logged in.

Among my real life friends: My WvW friend who never even visits this forum has not logged in at all after I told him about Ascended gear.  He's nationally ranked on console game ranking boards but when it comes to GW2, he's still level 70 in blue gear due to being a casual player.  For a skilled player like him, Ascended gear just means he won't even play.  So, as he quit, 3 other follower of his quit.  They won't play without him.  None of them ever visits this forum.  I am the only one that visits forums.  I still play, because I am a PvE explorer, not in WvW at all.     I had answered the poll as "maybe", with a note explaining it means I will play, but won't buy gems again.

I never talk about this on any open channels in game.  While in game I'm just playing, chatting with an old bud, who is frowning on the gear grind too.  But he's a PvE explorer also.  He will be in the same mode as me, playing but not buying gems.

None of us will know if the gem sales missing from us, or our friends will mean anything.  Meanwhile, there will certainly be gem purchases from happy players who love the Ascended gear and will pay mega $ to purchase 250 fine mats and eco to get Infused etc.  The final verdict for ANet is of course the revenue.

Only ANet knows the answer.  Our own situations speak for ourselves.  Yet from what I can see: Gem to gold ratio jumped.  There is probably a lack of supply of gems now.

In Oct I had bought gems and traded for gold for exotic gear.  From this point on, I am no longer buying gems, due to Ascended grind. In the past I had hoped for 1gold to 100 gems ratio and felt I'd be buying a bunch of gems when that happens.  But now, I just blink once when I see 1 gold for 100 gems, and look away.  No more buying gems for me.  I for one do not wish to support revenue for a part of the game that will make life un-fun for me.

Gear grind can generate gem sales from those who wish to buy mats for Ascended gear.  Not for me to encourage at all.  So I'm voting with my lack of $ for ANet.

The big rich players can continue to afford top gear.  Not yours truly, and that's the end.  I have no doubt ANet will continue the gear race till only a few top $ spending players are supporting the whole game for us.  That would be fine by me.  

My skilled WvW friends though will be long gone. They will not do any PvP where skill does not matter, and only $ matters.  They will stick to console games and be nationally ranked there even as casual players.

Edited by ToySoldier, 28 November 2012 - 03:37 AM.

[elloa]

Wow, so many people unsatisfied. Like in every other game forum. Amazing....I'll start to believe that player that enjoy a game are not losing their time into posting on forums.

I for one, enjoy very much the game, and do not see myself starting to be tired of the game anytime soon. I'm playing every evening and I do farm nothing. I play a bit of this and a bit of that, alone or together with my guild. I've a very active guild that it's in phase of growing and developing. We do everything that the game have to offer, organizing events. May it be dungeon runs, SPVP, Puzzle and explorations or WvWvW. Most of my guildies are very active.

It's really curious, I'm not having the same experience than you at all. I'm living a growing, flourishing community and a game that just started and that everyone arround me (exept my boyfriend :'( ) enjoy very much.

[ToySoldier]

As long as happy gamers spend lots of $ in gem purchase, ANet will be happy.

[tank017]

jubjub1277, on 24 November 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

A couple weeks ago the game was still pretty active and my guilds ratio of members who were on everyday was high. Now there's only about 5 people who get on a day compared to 20 from before. What happened?

I mostly chalk it up to Gw2 being a theme park,its not your average theme park,but its still a theme park.They're content runs most people about a month or two before they finish it or get tired of it and they move on to something else.

[LasraelLarson]

been visiting my former haunt with greater regularity.

haven't logged in to GW2 in 2+ weeks.

i am sure i'll stop back at some point to sniff the flowers & take in the atmosphere of the world, but actually playing?  seems i have utterly disconnected from that side of it.

[AlixIcebane]

And it's now become impossible to do fractals in the morning because the pop on euro servers is too low. I cant get into an overflow so the lfg website is useless.

Anet is lucky most mmos nowadays are just bad or this shit wouldnt fly

[Snapalope]

Dota

12 char

[glountz]

Playing Lotro riders of Rohan.

Halloween Failure + Karka Failure = me not playing.

I expect Wintersday to be another "wintersday gear grind for 2 weeks" failure also.

But I'll come back, just to see, after all I'm not paying a sub (it would have been stopped quite quicly if only there would have been one).

Have bought the game. Didn't spend any $ on gems. Not worth it IMO.

Edited by glountz, 28 November 2012 - 11:41 AM.

[Killyox]

Been playing a bit of Hitman: Absolution and generally lacked time for past week. Gonna get back soon!

Zhahz, on 26 November 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

snip

But wy are you sick of cash shop? Everything there can be taken with gold. If you pay sub like in wow you still need to shell out gold for repairs, mounts, change in looks, server change etc.

Here you can also get gold, buy gems with it and basically translate it all to "i bought X for Y gold" Or win paids and get ltos of gems.

[Dasryn]

glountz, on 28 November 2012 - 11:40 AM, said:

Playing Lotro riders of Rohan.

probably the ONLY mmorpg out right now that has mounted combat!!!!!!!!!!

but in my experience with lotro, they SAY its f2p, but i found myself having to subscribe to really get a fulfilling experience.

and with a subscription, comes the pressure to play.  GW2 takes that burden off your shoulder, i can wait for more content and i can wait til things are fixed because im not being charged to play.

[jinxPad]

Personally, I'm still having tonnes of fun playing the game.  But I can relate to a big drop off.  The group of guys I've played with for the past 3-4 years have moved back to Rift, and the most common thing they all said for moving is that GW2 made them realise how much of a loot whore they all are

I find that a lot with people I know who have moved from GW2, in that they love the combat mechanics and the game, but they just want to be on that gear treadmill and they miss the big 25 man+ raid events.

Me personally, I'm having fun gearing out my characters with different looking gear, the fact that I can pop on for one hour or five knowing I'm not paying a sub is appealing to me.  Also personally, I've been playing a little less over the past few weeks, but that's only because there are other games out there that I want to play.  AC3, Planetside 2, Halo 4, etc etc, and I know I'll lose many GW2 playing hours when the BF3 aftermath dlc comes out next week for PC.

There are plenty of reasons for people not playing, but I've also found there are plenty of people who are still playing GW2 and enjoying it just fine, myself included.

[Lilitu]

The cities, dungeons, zones, queues, pvp, wvw , forums etc all bring far emptier speak for themselves if you ask me , vocal minority or no.

[Runkleford]

Shatteredz, on 27 November 2012 - 11:44 PM, said:

Do you even mean what the vocal minority is? The vocal minority is the small amount of players(from gw2 in this example) that want to express their opinions about the game on the forums. Often those are also the most critical users(whats the point of being critical without some1 to tell it). Point is, not everybody is going to like every update. If a WvW update comes out, PvE players are going to complain. If a pve update comes out, WvW'ers will start to complain. If a class gets toned down, people of that class will complain.

All the people that do that, are the vocal minority. That means you, me, and every1 else that is posting on this forum. And the difference between the vocal community and the actual community is huge. The normal GW2 player just wants to play the game. A new tier? Great, another feature. WvW update? cool lets do that again. They are not going to leave a game cus "QQ Anet broke their promise QQ", they will leave if they find the game getting boring or find something else to do. Just because the vocal community says something, doesnt mean its the general opinion(especially not on a fansite with a huge % of the communty comming from gw1)

TLDR: The vocal community is always going to complain about every update. Some more then others. Move on.

I'm not sure you know what vocal minority is. You seem to think it's just a group of people complaining loudly. But you don't know whether that group is representative of good sizeable chunk of the community or not. Vocal minority simply means a small group of people making the biggest noise. Sometimes they are indeed the minority but sometimes it means that the rest of the community generally does not say anything (good or bad) simply because most of the gaming community  does not post in forums and so you never hear from the majority of the playerbase. You're making the false assumption that every topic of complaint is always only shared by the minority of the community. That's just not possible and is a huge fallacy.

Edited by Runkleford, 28 November 2012 - 06:07 PM.

[Shatteredz]

Runkleford, on 28 November 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

I'm not sure you know what vocal minority is. You seem to think it's just a group of people complaining loudly. But you don't know whether that group is representative of good sizeable chunk of the community or not. Vocal minority simply means a small group of people making the biggest noise. Sometimes they are indeed the minority but sometimes it means that the rest of the community generally does not say anything (good or bad) simply because most of the gaming community  does not post in forums and so you never hear from the majority of the playerbase. You're making the false assumption that every topic of complaint is always only shared by the minority of the community. That's just not possible and is a huge fallacy.

Far from. I am making the assumption that a poll made on a specific fansite that contains a certain part of the community is not likely to reflect the opinion of the players in-game. If you ask around the forums how GW2 is, you will get bashed for even asking that question and you will get told that GW2 is the biggest grindfest, most boring and unbalanced game ever. If you ask it in-game you get nothing but positive reactions. However, in all likelyhood, most players WILL enjoy a new update, whatever it might be.

Also, raging and comlaining(without arguments) is not allowed on the main forums either. It is pretty likely that gwguru will atract a certain kind of people that is not "allowed" on the main forums.

Also, the vocal minority is, pretty much, the part of the community that posts stuff on forums and what not. Do they represent the community as a whole? Personally I dont think so, not in gw2 at least. The difference bwtween the forums and in-game are too big for that.

Edited by Shatteredz, 28 November 2012 - 11:22 PM.

[Tregarde]

Millimidget, on 27 November 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

Poor example; TOR was an obvious incoming flop. Too much effort put into cutscenes, not enough into the actual zones, and for all the effort put into cutscenes, they still weren't comprehensive enough to carry the game (it was like a pre-school version of Pick-Your-Adventure books).

GW2 had a much better foundation (namely, the leveling process was far more enjoyable). But Arena.net totally dropped the ball on endgame. Dungeons are effectively corridors, WvW is subject to that awful culling mechanic, class balance is so bad not even sPvP can save it, endgame farming (Orr, etc.) is beyond boring, and everything feels totally unrewarding (possibly by intent due to their revenue model).

Compared to TOR, GW2 still has far more potential. It also helps that it's already F2P, and so doesn't face the added drama of having to announce a transition to F2P.

But TOR was an obvious flop. Only KOTOR fanatics thought otherwise.

I would argue that TOR is a perfect example. Like GW2, it was a game with very high expectations from a lot of people. Like GW2, it didn't live up to those expectations. Admittedly, for some, it was because their expectations were so high it's nearly impossible for any game to live up to them. People want "the perfect game", but that game doesn't exist.

But the point of my post was that you can't judge an MMO's success for some time after launch.

For now, despite the flaws, I am enjoying GW2 and plan to stay for a while.

I always felt that GW2 would have a huge launch, which it did. Then after couple months we'd see people moving on, which is what is happening right now. But at some point GW2 will hit some equilibrium, and then will slowly start to attract people to return or give it a try, and will experience some growth. We probably won't see that turn around for some time yet, but that's been my prediction.

[Runkleford]

Shatteredz, on 28 November 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

Also, the vocal minority is, pretty much, the part of the community that posts stuff on forums and what not. Do they represent the community as a whole? Personally I dont think so, not in gw2 at least. The difference bwtween the forums and in-game are too big for that.

Most of your post isn't even relevant to what I'm talking about. My point is that you automatically assumed that these complaints are from a few vocal minority and so you cite the vocal minority when the term is merely a counter argument to the equally false assumption that the forums speak for the whole gaming community.

Basically, you're just as bad as when the vocal minority claim that they speak for the whole community when you claim that these complaints ARE in the minority. NO ONE knows one way or the other unless we poll a significant chunk of the community.

Your last line in your last post is the most ridiculous of all:

"TLDR: The vocal community is always going to complain about every update. Some more then others. Move on."

So you're basically saying since there's always something to complain about then we should just ignore all complaints. How about we take each complaint on a case by case basis and looking at the arguments rather than a wholesale dismissal? Your arguments are just as bad as those that claim that they're in a majority.

[glountz]

Rickter, on 28 November 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

probably the ONLY mmorpg out right now that has mounted combat!!!!!!!!!!

but in my experience with lotro, they SAY its f2p, but i found myself having to subscribe to really get a fulfilling experience.

and with a subscription, comes the pressure to play.  GW2 takes that burden off your shoulder, i can wait for more content and i can wait til things are fixed because im not being charged to play.

Fortunately I'm VIP with lifetime subscription in Lotro.
I have not paid any sub since 2 years and I get free Turbine points each month.
Best of both worlds.

Edited by glountz, 29 November 2012 - 06:19 AM.

[Emmesty]

I'm taking a week or two break, seems silly to make emotionally charged decisions about a hobby.  I burned the content and gameplay hard for a few months, now it's time to step away for a bit and decide what my next set of goals will be.  I don't think I'll play as much as I did at launch when I return, but that really shouldn't be an expectation.

Also, the drop off isn't exactly a bad thing, free transfers are still active giving people plenty of time to pile onto more populated servers to keep their experience optimal and the overflows will take care of the influx during content or seasonal releases.

Edited by Emmesty, 29 November 2012 - 06:41 AM.

[rukia]

Everyone is grinding Fotm, so the world is even more dead than it was before. And I, along with many others (pretty much my entire guild) quit to go back to GW1. Although they're being puds and not logging in, someone should come play with me. True guild wars style.

GW2 sucks ass, ANet has no god damn clue what they are doing, or what they want to do. It's WoW 2.0 in the making, just leave if you don't like it. They'll get the hint one way or another. Or they won't...

If enough people went back to GW1 we could get some good GvG going.. but I know that's not going to happen.

Edited by rukia, 29 November 2012 - 07:03 AM.

[DuskWolf]

Runkleford, on 28 November 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

[...] we should just ignore all complaints.

The reason he's saying this is because he's desperate, he wants to fool himself and when ArenaNet faithfuls argue with us, I find that they're not trying to convince us, but rather themselves. The desperation is due to their want for a walled-garden community where only those who have positive things to say can speak. It bolsters their cognitive dissonance and builds upon the illusion.

There's a difference between disagreeing with an opinion and wanting to shut down all dissent. The latter implies that our reasonable, logical, and sound arguments against things like taxes, vertical progression, bait & switching, and moving goalposts are actually striking a cord. They know we're right, but they want to hold onto the illusion for a little while longer that their vision of hte game is how it actually is. It'll take them getting stabbed in the back a couple more times by ArenaNet (at which point they'll hear further valid arguments against ArenaNet), but once that's happened the illusion will crash down.

Then they'll end up angry. What it is though is that they're afraid of looking like idiots. It's cowardice. I already manned up and said that I was a complete and utter imbecile for believing ArneaNet as long as I did, and I've apologised profusely to people who saw coming what I didn't. But not everyone can do that. Some people can't face that. So instead they come up with ridiculous arguments, boldly fallacious arguments, to put off having to face that for as long as they can.

This desperation and these ridiculous arguments just show that their resolve is breaking. They see what we do, but they're clinging to the illusion. The moment the illusion drops, they have to admit that we were right (hard thing to do!) and that they were being gullible puppets.

At this point, it's not even sport. It's a slaughter. We're getting increasingly more ridiculous and desperate arguments from the faithfuls. And the sentiment we hear most often is "Why are you still here? Why can't I have my walled garden which does nothing but reinforce my own delusionary opinion of this game? I shouldn't have to put up with this nagging and entirely reasonable feeling of doubt, or that fear that they may be right. I just want to eradicate them and remove them from my vision."

It's like the Internet forum version of "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

[Lucas Ashrock]

Well, there is Dead or Alive 5, Hitman Absolution, Planetside 2 mmo f2p ( battlefield, just superb) Not a surprise most , disappointed by loads of Anet trash  aka bugs, new content's bug, lots of legendaries cheated/exploited with players with 2-3 legendaries not banned,  token farm on 1st boss again (i cannot find 1 single normal arah run anymore) fractalfarm LFM who own the map chat of LA, geargrind, store scam ( like the famous halloween scam and now consortium chest) etc etc just left. Waiting the day the content worth to play again, or just took back their money with a refund. After all, i doubt is gonna be better. Yes, maybe we will see bug fixed, but the rest i wrote stay. You will laugh remembering my post next week, when Christmas scam begins

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 29 November 2012 - 09:06 AM.

[Rhydian]

People need to remember most of us defended GW2 all the time, there was probably a TOR fanatic or WOW raider bashing the game every day on these forums. It's not a matter of not giving them a chance, there has been a mountain of feedback from players since early beta which have all been ignored, they ignored pvp concerns, pushed for a gear progression they said they wouldn't do, Basically they have done a complete turn around from the game advertized and even he game we played in Beta.

Now the same people that bashed the game for not having phat loot dungeons of course LOVE the new changes and we find ourselves on the opposite end of things. That is self defeatist since we were trying to get away from this kind of player to begin with.  But I am sure I posted on one of the many arguments I had about this. 1. I am NOT going to play a gear progression loot grind and 2. If it does become another loot grind it will dip to 200k subs or less.

Edited by Rhydian, 29 November 2012 - 09:15 AM.

[Lucas Ashrock]

Mostly, considering the game is a gear grind, and still we have to grind armor and weapons ascended version ( i laugh thinking about it ) it's fun how many people wasted with client , gems, and halloween/consortium scam something like 100-200 bucks. Enough to pay 1/2 years of a subbed geargrind mmo with way, way better support, patches, care of the playerbase (more or less) and geargrind WAY better improved, not forgetting without slotmachine forges

[Babylon]

My guild is the same. We started with 20+ people playing all the time and not one of them has been online for about a month now. So to anyone who says that threads like this are nonsense - it's a pretty big coincidence that so many guilds are experiencing the same thing isn't it? You can nay-say all you like but the fact is people are steadily dropping out of a game that just a few months ago was the best thing since sliced WoW.

I myself haven't played properly since before Halloween; I just got bored and I never even got past level 25. It's difficult to tell exactly what went wrong for me seeing as I haven't been affected by any of ANet's changes that they promised they wouldn't do but it's like the game's missing something.

Long-ass explanation:

Spoiler

I loved Aion and Rift (I only played them for the first 25 levels too btw so don't judge): they just had a charm that other MMOs didn't.

For Rift it was that you could have dozens of possible class combinations (I played a rogue that could throw magical knives, which was pure awesome) and the 'rifts' that appeared every so often. They're basically the same as dynamic events but although they're basically all the same they just feel five times as epic (dimensional rifts with tentacles coming out = win). And then there's the fact that the world ends right at the start of the game and you're sent back in time to fix it so there's something you don't see often in MMOs.

For Aion there was the visual appeal - although GW2's graphics are newer and better and the game looks amazing, Aion's visuals are far more attractive - it has shining forests and fantastic-looking cities as well as spell animations that made me want to spam them even out of combat.

Both Aion and Rift have better character styles (in my opinion and apart from the freaks that some people made), I don't know why, maybe it's the make-up and the crazy hair colours. I know it's a minor thing but it adds to the overall experience for me.
And most importantly both games do things a little differently from most other MMORPGs. For one thing they make out like the player is some all-important 'chosen one,' and I know GW2 gives you praise for being the Hero of Shaemoor or whatever but in RIft you're a friggin time traveler! And Aion in particular takes it very seriously - the player is basically a demigod.

Part of the reason I'm getting bored of GW2 is that it's all so... tame. It's so basic and unoriginal (sorry ArenaNet, no offence), I mean, the humans are fighting centaurs for Pete's sake! By that point in Rift I'd been resurrected Frankenstein-style, beaten back my undead friends and had a rumble with a dragon while trying to get to my TARDIS. In Aion I'd ascended to godliness and gotten a set of wings!

So in summary I still want to love GW2 but it's a plain, uninteresting RPG stereotype with a sad lack of particle effects.

inb4 I'm a nitpicky whiner.