109 replies to this topic

[XSevSpreeX]

Gileas898, on 25 November 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

snip

I never said that ascended items aren't ever necessary, I said they aren't necessary at level 10. As for level 20-30 so what? There's no need to go that high. Yes, you'll get a couple more tokens, but at that point the only reason to struggle through those levels is for the sake of seeing how far you can get. If you choose to go that high and fail then it's your fault.

[Gileas898]

XSevSpreeX, on 25 November 2012 - 01:52 AM, said:

I never said that ascended items aren't ever necessary, I said they aren't necessary at level 10. As for level 20-30 so what? There's no need to go that high. Yes, you'll get a couple more tokens, but at that point the only reason to struggle through those levels is for the sake of seeing how far you can get. If you choose to go that high and fail then it's your fault.

Yep, keep telling yourself that when they add more ascendant gear at those levels, and you suddenly start seeing people with an equipment that consists of 50% ascendant gear. Now THERE's a real stat difference for ya.

[ScoutMATH]

Juanele, on 25 November 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

Is the title purposely a misnomer?

Anyway, will never have an ascended item. At least the way it is currently implemented.

no.

i hated the day when a.net implemented "the beginning" of the gear grind. but i have nothing to do anyway so i gave it a try. im at level 12 fotm now. only got 1 ascended item (ring) so far. got 5 vials but i destroyed the first two that i got out of being pissed. the three vials i decided to keep to get my FoTM character ascended backslot. i'll just keep ascended items to my FoTM character.

I still don't favor gear grind and ill be so glad if a.net have a press release one day telling that they committed a mistake and keep exotics as the highest tier stat wise.

Edited by ScoutMATH, 25 November 2012 - 02:30 AM.

[Ardeni]

I'm not an ascended "hater" (though I dislike the stat increase) but my first item was the Bowyer's Delight. I got it a day after the update was introduced and I didn't think that it was too hard to get. I haven't even had the chance to get the rings yet since I'm only on level 6 fractals due to some difficulties finding people who are on the same level from my guild. Lately I've started to care less about the ascended items and I've rather started working towards Twilight again.

[Swift Red]

Endless Quiver. Love the skin.

[two maces]

Do you need Ascended items to progress? I haven't gotten any and it hasn't impeded my daily progress. I still kill things in WvW and sPVP.

dss_live, on 25 November 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

those etco's are not real money spent, you wanna know why? becoze i gathered them myself instead of being lazy. Get over the fact that for once cash shop isn't a part of a discussion and that not everyone just wants thins handed over to them. SOme people actually like working for something.

You could either
a) waste time in game gathering ectos
spend that time in a real job, buy gems, buy gold and buy ectos.

The important thing is maximising the time spent. For instance, a waiter job in Australia gets you around 15-20 bucks an hour, that's 1200 gems which is around 13 gold. If you can't earn 13 gold in an hour's game time, it might be better to simply get a real job and buy it with cash.

[Trei]

two maces, on 25 November 2012 - 05:55 AM, said:

The important thing is maximising the time spent. For instance, a waiter job in Australia gets you around 15-20 bucks an hour, that's 1200 gems which is around 13 gold. If you can't earn 13 gold in an hour's game time, it might be better to simply get a real job and buy it with cash.

...

...

...

I can't earn 13 gold in an hour....

[Lafiele]

As much as I love this game, I think we have to all admit that Anet hasn't played the cards well over the last few weeks. With the recent event where thousands of players spent hours participating but not have a chance at the one time reward and have still not heard about their "solution" yet  and the new inclusion of their flowered up their ascended gear, it is still vertical progression and to a certain extent. players with these armors will have an advantage over normal players. I just hope Anet makes some damn good choices in the next few weeks to rectify these problems.

[MisterSin]

i was lucky
I got Crystaline band, Yakington Ring, and Vineseed band

[dtRush]

*plays FotM for hundreds of hours in a mere two weeks*

"Wahhhh this place is boring already?!?! gw2 sucks!"

[Minu]

ScoutMATH, on 24 November 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

I got an Khilbron's Phylactery. It's a ring that I got from Fractals level 10.


How about you?

Nothing at all.  I have no interest running this Flavour of the Month (FotM) dungeon, sorry, Fractal of the Mists (FotM).  I can barely tolerate the poorly designed and boring normal dungeons.  I tend to do explorable runs a couple of times on each toon as they pass the appropriate level and then wonder....is there something I am missing here, that makes people waste time doing such mundane content, over and over and over?


As for Ascended gear.  I really don't care what anyone else has, as I have no interest in having anything past full exotic on all my 8 toons. The moment I feel the need to have anything better, and can only get it by being forced like a lemming to do a certain task, will be the moment I go play Rome Total War 2...or hopefully something else sooner, though nothing out there grabs me atm.

Thread hijack incoming................

*rant on*.......What really grips my shit about the game is that as a fully maxed crafter in all disciplines, it is often cheaper in gold and time to simply buy the items from the TP, than farm for ectos (rares) and craft the items myself.   Crafting is utterly dead in the water as a money maker.  Yes, you can of course find various niches throughout the levels where certain items, not expensive to make, do sell for a tidy profit, but as with everything, those niches dry up in time, and we are left wondering just what is the point of investing time into crafting at al.  The new area, dungeon has done nothing whatsoever to help, indeed, has magnified the problem even more, by pandering to the grindsheep and driving ecto prices higher......*rant off*.

[Nox_Aeterna]

Dont think i will waste my time on this. Honestly , only reason i even still login is my guild.

If Anet keeps this logic of theirs up ... well not even my guild will be good enough reason to login anymore.

[Resolve]

XSevSpreeX, on 24 November 2012 - 11:44 PM, said:

Yes, because the stats given by back pieces decide whether or not you can steamroll people. /sarcasm

It's funny how often things like this are said in the defense of ascended gear.

It gives you a distinct advantage. That's it. There's no need to hyperbole about steamrolling people or how you are skilled enough to 1v1 people with your greens, it doesn't matter.

A lot of us expected a balanced fight, ie you could get the best stats trouble free and everyone would be on a level playing field.

[Darkobra]

Var, on 24 November 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

O-o?

I know. I. Know. He's been complaining about day one about GW2 and how the game's dead. Since day one. Now I have my fair share of complaints. But I'm loving the Fractals.

Now I'm at level 11! And I enjoy them! He, who claims to hate the game, is at THIRTY! And STILL thinks the Fractals are somehow pay to win! So where did he buy that vial? I didn't see one on the cash shop and they're sure as hell not tradeable!


Oh, this brings me to a question I want to ask. Someone said that you are GUARANTEED an Ascended ring doing level 10. But only 2 people in my party did get one. So are you guaranteed one and they had already done it or is it just a good chance of getting one that people think it IS guaranteed?

Mine was Adelbern's Royal Signet. Lost my fair share of vitality from that on my mage from my Valkyrie's ring. But did gain over 100 toughness so MIGHT balance out. Maybe.

Edited by Darkobra, 25 November 2012 - 08:13 AM.

[SirGamesalot]

One thing is adding a geargrind that will ruing the replayability and make you be behind if you stop playing the game, which is pretty much  against everything arenanet has said, but what were they smoking when they decided it was gona be random luck based drop? That is definitively against everything arenanet has promised.

[Var]

Darkobra, on 25 November 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

Mine was Adelbern's Royal Signet. Lost my fair share of vitality from that on my mage from my Valkyrie's ring. But did gain over 100 toughness so MIGHT balance out. Maybe.

I got the cond/prec/toughness ring... what is my guardian supposed to do with CD? Off to my alt it goes!

[Darkobra]

Well every 5th attack does burning damage no matter your build. Always a silver lining.

[Alleji]

Ascended hater checking in. Bagh Nakh.

[Var]

Darkobra, on 25 November 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

Well every 5th attack does burning damage no matter your build. Always a silver lining.

Fire already deals enough damage without points in CD, and considering the abysmal health pool of a guardian, there are better places to put points than into the only (damaging) condition that the class can apply. It is much better suited for my engi alt... who is level 40. Oy.

[Jason Seven]

This is one of my favorite threads by far. Just looking at all the people who are extremely against gear progression admitting to have started chasing after this gear makes me laugh, a lot. Makes me wonder if these people just look for reasons to complain or actually are hypocrites.

[Sword Hammer Axe]

So the title here is one big burn. I like it.

[syrin]

I don't now or will I ever have any any of these items. I personally hate dungeons and the way the ascendance stuff works just doesn't interest me. And before I get jumped on I am not asking for easy dungeons or that they be removed. Not liking them is a personal choice and I have no belief the game should catter to me in this.

[Zhaitan]

Gileas898, on 25 November 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

250 ectos is "real money spent", no matter which way you twist it.

The ring is RNG. I know several people who haven't received one at 20+ and are basically being carried through Jade Maw.

lol@Jade Maw. That was the first fractal I did iirc..wasn't it w/ bunch of tentacles and colossus? Reminded me of the watcher from LoTRO. Since NC games are all "Truly Free" <lol>, I don't think ANET will go the sub route but, will come up with high mats requirement that will force some people to buy the gold thru gem store to fund the mats. I strongly believe, ANET understood many people do not have a lot of motivation to spend real money for skin. So, ANET hoped with some increased stats, those guys will probably pony up the cash. I used to get 1-3 ectos (with 3 being the most liely number) when I used to salvage 76+ rares. Few days back, when I got 1 from an 80 rare, I considered myself lucky. ANET's modus operandi has completely changed from the previous years. It must be the "MMO" effect.

Corvindi, on 25 November 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

What is retarded is that people are still willing to chase this gear knowing what it takes to get it.  They're sending a terrible message to these devs.  One that makes gamers in general look really dumb.

Actually, the people who do it, love it. That's why they go with rinse and repeat. Same applies to the event farmers. I, honestly, did not find much difference between fractal 1 and 6 or 7. I think that's where I kinda stopped. I wanted to see all the maps but, was getting the golem/Old Tom map in every rotation. At the present time, GW2 lacks depth and clarity. Last patch was a missed opportunity for ANET to add depth and provide some clarity about what they wanted to do with GW2.

IMHO, GW succeeded because it had many forms of PvP whereas GW2 PvP is kinda set aside and obscure. I think ANET should have spent some time thinking more about  WvW and improving it while adding new PvP formats and highlighting it. But, they felt more compelled to impress the gear grinders.

Edited by Zhaitan, 25 November 2012 - 02:07 PM.

[Menehune]

syrin, on 25 November 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

I don't now or will I ever have any any of these items. I personally hate dungeons and the way the ascendance stuff works just doesn't interest me. And before I get jumped on I am not asking for easy dungeons or that they be removed. Not liking them is a personal choice and I have no belief the game should catter to me in this.

<surprise> <gasp> <almost chokes on swig of coke>

I am not alone!

Same with Legendaries or anything else that requires dungeon tokens or other dungeon related items. Even if I think something is cool and nice to have. It is, after all, my decision not to grind for anything that may be required and there are other things to occupy me in game.

[beadnbutter32]

I am still enjoying leveling toons, can't be bothered to get caught up in this new Grind of the Month.
For what, 2% of some stat.  Sorry, but I am not a compulsive achievement chaser with no life.
Have fun with your RND permutations.

[Wordsworth]

XSevSpreeX, on 25 November 2012 - 01:52 AM, said:

I never said that ascended items aren't ever necessary, I said they aren't necessary at level 10. As for level 20-30 so what? There's no need to go that high. Yes, you'll get a couple more tokens, but at that point the only reason to struggle through those levels is for the sake of seeing how far you can get. If you choose to go that high and fail then it's your fault.

So...

There's a type of player out there who's thinking, "Just farm Fractals 1-10, forget about the scaling difficulty feature, the entire point of the dungeon."

Nice job, ANet.

Edited by Wordsworth, 25 November 2012 - 02:24 PM.

[Doki20]

a trashy +crit Red ring of Death... then Vassar's Band and Ralena's Band.

[Ravrohan]

Wordsworth, on 25 November 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

So...

There's a type of player out there who's thinking, "Just farm Fractals 1-10, forget about the scaling difficulty feature, the entire point of the dungeon."

Nice job, ANet.

Nice Job Anet?  That's not Anet's doing, that's the choice of the players whether or not they want to go further or keep to the ten and below difficulties.  We were given an option to push as far as we can, or hang around the lower end and have an easier time of things. Neither is a right or wrong choice, and neither players or Anet should be ridiculed for taking one or the other.

[4arsie4]

How far do you want your $70 to stretch?

[Silentstorma]

Maybe becuase you noobcakes never did the dungeon or read patch notes.

1.Ascended gear isn't better than legendary gear as it was bumped. Legendary armor will be introduce very soon you gonna complain that too huh? (Because you failed at reading all the patch notes and follow flamers who failed even more)

2. The dungeons are not hard at all it does get a little repetitive that isn't all that fun. But I have done 3 a day for a week and got gear. OMG I'm SOOOO tired I had to raid 5 hours. Um no I didn't shaddup drama queens if you didn't or refuse to do it than you have a invalid say. Because literally according to your own words don't know wtf you are talking about. BECAUSE you didn't actually do it for some emo admitted reason here whining.

3. Ecto's are plummeting in price because they can be easily made with lvl 80 rares. Just use a master salvaging kit and go farm rares not hard takes you like 1-3 days to do it. Or now buy it like anyone with "google skills" figured out a week ago how easy it is to make them. I even posted the formula to further drop the price down.

4. People should really read all notes it's apparent 50% of this post didn't. And fit the description or people who don't know wtf they are talking about. Following more people who don't know wtf they are talking about. You are in essence mad Anet added a step (you don't haved to do at all).
That's actually easier than legendaries fractal skins are worlds easier than legendary weapon skins. All you gotta do is win the dungeons at higher levels. Ever see What a legendary weapon takes versus maybe what 10 hours of your time in total? Yea that's a big grind if you think that just quit now so we don't haved to look at you drama queen out off of misinformation. And you KNOW legendary armor going to be a epic journey so yea ill do the dungeon. And I can't believe emo kids are complaining about a EASIER road taken.

5. As far as the manifesto that is a case again of people not reading everything. I'll give you a example of how people don't read. They are all jumping all over that they are adding a gear treadmill. That omg guild wars 2 said they're be no end game. Ok here is what was really said and how people focus on one statement and not the whole. What was said is Guild Wars 2 wouldn't have a Traditional end game system. Meaning no gearing up to go raid token farming to go raid or dungeon farming to raid. What was SAID AFTER THAT which is what people failed at reading was.

The WHOLE game was considered end game as in you had a choice where to go with what you wanted to do. And they haven't changed from that you DON'T need ascended gear to beat anyone in WvWvW. And you can't use it at all in spvp. Out in the world dps doesn't matter how many stand there and dps fights does this game have lol? So you really don't haved to do it and why should you care what someone else chooses to do with their endgame time. That was the whole point of the manifesto in the first place you had choice. And silly misinformed whining people are mad at a extra choice that doesnt even effect them. Most of the people complaining wasn't going to do legendary items. And they have the nerve to go on whinefests for a easier road yea gtfo the game than if your that lazy.