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[Heart Collector]

xarallei, on 25 November 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

If I suspect it's a bot then I won't rez it. Otherwise I always try to rez people.

Same here.

Also, if I rez someone whom I believe to be AFK (doesn't budge and I find him dead again after 2 minutes) I won't rez them again to spare them the repair cost of another potential death.

[Lady Rhonwyn]

Heart Collector, on 26 November 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

Also, if I rez someone whom I believe to be AFK (doesn't budge and I find him dead again after 2 minutes) I won't rez them again to spare them the repair cost of another potential death.

Yes, the same here.

Jason Seven, on 26 November 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

Waste of time, it's that simple. If you're not good enough to not get downed during a fight then you're not worth even a split second of my time, although I might run up to you, jump a few times on your dead face and /laugh. Use the waypoint and pay for your lack of skills and expertise. Fair punishment for being a bad player in my opinion. How someone can die in such an easy game is completely beyond my comprehension.

Wow, you must be awesome that you've never died!  Or lucky that you've never been in the wrong spot at the wrong time.  Or that that champion you didn't even know existed spawned right on top of you while you were finishing of that other group.

[Heart Collector]

Jason Seven, on 26 November 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

Waste of time, it's that simple. If you're not good enough to not get downed during a fight then you're not worth even a split second of my time, although I might run up to you, jump a few times on your dead face and /laugh. Use the waypoint and pay for your lack of skills and expertise. Fair punishment for being a bad player in my opinion. How someone can die in such an easy game is completely beyond my comprehension.

Remind me to never help you up when you stumble and fall during a walk, as walking is obviously the easiest thing imaginable.

[Jason Seven]

dazza64, on 26 November 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

I think your wrong there I suspect s/he has but the fault lies with the server s/he is on, the higher your server is ranked the more "elite" you are, so in their mind anyone on that server shouldn't die, ever.

I don't really consider myself elite but dying in a very easy game makes you stick out like a sore thumb. It shows your lack of awareness and game knowledge as well as miscalculating fights. If you can't stay alive in normal PVE you'll never make it far without constant support of others. Now, if I were to visit a lesser server like Aurora Glade I'd most likely stand out for being vastly superior than everyone else and get accused of hacking, exploiting or even both. A friend of mine actually paid a visit to your server a few weeks ago. Let's just say the experience made him suffer from an ulcer and severe headache for several days.

Lady Rhonwyn, on 26 November 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

Wow, you must be awesome that you've never died!  Or lucky that you've never been in the wrong spot at the wrong time.  Or that that champion you didn't even know existed spawned right on top of you while you were finishing of that other group.

Of course I die but never in normal PVE and very rarely in WvW. What you mentioned all boils down to the lack of everything I've mentioned in my other reply. Miscalculation is a frequent mistake by mostly new and bad players who simply cannot learn from their mistakes and have absolutely zero awareness as well as complete lack in knowledge of what they are doing. L2P comes to mind.

Heart Collector, on 26 November 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

Remind me to never help you up when you stumble and fall during a walk, as walking is obviously the easiest thing imaginable.

I never stumble nor fall during a walk. Unlike many other people I have complete control over my body and 100% awareness of my surroundings.

Edited by Jason Seven, 26 November 2012 - 10:41 AM.

[IronSheik]

It all depends on the situation.

In OP situation, spending those 20-30 second reviving you takes away from my opportunity cost.

If reviving a player during a fight/after a fight in different scenarios help to prolong my own goals I will do it.

Who cares about xp/titles, I can get xp faster doing something else and titles are epeen.

[Sword Hammer Axe]

I don't res people if they're acting like *s. If they're really bad, I might go as far as to purposely let them die by luring tons of enemies to them. Yeah, I know, it's bad karma, and probably also makes me sort of an *, but I really don't like *s.

I will, of course, give people the chance to apologize or otherwise show regret in their attitude. If someone says "sorry" I'll res them in a second and give them another chance.

Example: A guy died during Ulgoth in Harathi Hinterlands. We weren't a lot of people and needed all the power we could get to get him down, so even though some of us tried to res him every now and then, there'd be huge red ring around him to cast us off so we couldn't res him.
Still, he kept spamming for res, using caps more and more as it went on. We tried telling him that we couldn't get to him and even suggested he used the WP. This was when he said, and I quote: "shut the f*** up no way ill use wp just f***ing res me"
My asshole detector went off, but I just ignored him. After a minute or so I found a chance to revive him and went over there. I could've probably pulled it off before Ulgoth targeted me, but then he said "bout f***ing time" and I stopped. I said "You know what? I won't res you if you're acting like that," which is mean, I know, but I just couldn't take his attitude. That's when he started screaming profanities in caps as we killed Ulgoth in silence.
Best part is that even after Ulgoth was down and we ressurrected the downed and dead players, no one touched him. He was still calling for res, but no one went near him. In the end he used the WP and just left.

[Gremlin]

At first I made a point to res everyone and I still feel like I should.

Now if I think they are a bot I walk away, sometimes I talk to them no reply means bot afk or disconnected.

[Lady Rhonwyn]

Jason Seven, on 26 November 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

Of course I die but never in normal PVE and very rarely in WvW. What you mentioned all boils down to the lack of everything I've mentioned in my other reply. Miscalculation is a frequent mistake by mostly new and bad players who simply cannot learn from their mistakes and have absolutely zero awareness as well as complete lack in knowledge of what they are doing. L2P comes to mind.

So, I jump down a cliff because I can see water there.  Yet, there's a rock which I just barely not missed.  My friend also jumps down.  Exactly the same spot, but he moves a tiniest bit to the right and misses that rock.  So, I need to learn how to play and he doesn't?   Glad you're not on my server....

[Jason Seven]

Lady Rhonwyn, on 26 November 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

So, I jump down a cliff because I can see water there.  Yet, there's a rock which I just barely not missed.  My friend also jumps down.  Exactly the same spot, but he moves a tiniest bit to the right and misses that rock.  So, I need to learn how to play and he doesn't?   Glad you're not on my server....

Not to learn how to play but you did lack knowledge about the exact location of this rock and you fell on it, a pretty big mistake all things considered. I assume your friend jumped after you and saw you drop on it so they moved a bit to the right for better positioning. He/She seems to be rather smart.

[Lady Rhonwyn]

Jason Seven, on 26 November 2012 - 12:31 PM, said:

Not to learn how to play but you did lack knowledge about the exact location of this rock and you fell on it, a pretty big mistake all things considered. I assume your friend jumped after you and saw you drop on it so they moved a bit to the right for better positioning. He/She seems to be rather smart.

No, we jumped at the same time.  He was more lucky than I was.  Luckily, he's not such as ass as you are and laughed at me and then revived me.

[Evans]

Sometimes I hesitate when I find someone defeated in the middle of nowhere and they're not talking in chat. If I rez this person, and they're afk I'm just adding to the bill of their repair costs...

But usually I don't see a reason not to rez someone out of combat.

[ObscureThreat]

Lady Rhonwyn, on 26 November 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

No, we jumped at the same time.  He was more lucky than I was.  Luckily, he's not such as ass as you are and laughed at me and then revived me.

Don't feed the troll. While I know some people are elitist, he is taking it to a whole new level.

[Darkobra]

Jason Seven, on 26 November 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

I've gotten my second Ascended ring and a backpiece a few days ago. I've done all instances in-game so far with people from my guild. Those players are worth my time unlike randoms met while traveling around who don't understand basic concepts of this game. That being said I've never been in one of those so called pick-up groups. If I wanted to waste my time I'd rather farm Karma instead of dealing with subpar players.

What's your guild's name? I want to thank them for carrying you through the instances. The stalwart hero who doesn't understand that you have to stay on the button, keep the ice elemental moving and the very basics of dropping the hammer before you die!

Guild who carries him? We salute you!

[Jason Seven]

ObscureThreat, on 26 November 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

Don't feed the troll. While I know some people are elitist, he is taking it to a whole new level.

It's getting somewhat funny how many people called me a troll so far simply because our views differ or my abilities of understanding vastly exceed theirs. Again, I am dead serious in all of my posts whether you like this or not. I always play games with 100% efficiency in mind. I play to win.

Lady Rhonwyn, on 26 November 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

No, we jumped at the same time.  He was more lucky than I was.  Luckily, he's not such as ass as you are and laughed at me and then revived me.

No need to get insulting. It wasn't luck in this case, though. He moved farther to the right because he noticed he'd hit the rock if he didn't. Good to know there's more players who can correct their mistakes on the fly. Correction on your more or less insulting part: I would laugh at you, jump on you a few times and then leave. I certainly wouldn't resurrect you.

Darkobra, on 26 November 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

What's your guild's name? I want to thank them for carrying you through the instances. The stalwart hero who doesn't understand that you have to stay on the button, keep the ice elemental moving and the very basics of dropping the hammer before you die!

Guild who carries him? We salute you!

Now this is one of my favorite posts directed at me so far. I'm even gonna like it just for making me laugh a lot. Definately gonna show this to my guild mates too, they're in for something good!

[beadnbutter32]

So I come upon this lone ranger hanging on for dear life in an escort DE in west Gendarin Fields with my engineer.  Save him, and proceed to fend off every wave of attackers.  When the champion shows up, manage to bring him down, but get downed myself in the process.  Mr ranger takes the time to loot all the carnage, and then runs off.  Maybe this was their first time and they did not know there would be no more attacks, and they did not need to follow the NPC to the end to get the reward.

Cost me a few copper to rez at the waypoint ahead of him.

People like this are the reason the end of the world is closer than we think.

[Darkobra]

Jason Seven, on 26 November 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

Now this is one of my favorite posts directed at me so far. I'm even gonna like it just for making me laugh a lot. Definately gonna show this to my guild mates too, they're in for something good!

I noticed you never answered my question. In fact, you got defensive when I asked. So what are you hiding? Is it Ruin?

And that's the difference between us. You're a parasite riding on the back of your guild. I'm actually skilled enough to help people grow and get up to my level. Maybe one day your guild can actually help you get as good as I am! Keep working hard, son.

[Soki]

I generally assume a defeated player is a bot.
How else would they die to non-group events?

[xarallei]

You're not a troll exactly. But you are a jerk. Alas, there will always be people like this in the world.

[Evans]

Jason Seven, on 26 November 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

It's getting somewhat funny how many people called me a troll so far simply because our views differ

Mmm, quite.

Jason Seven, on 26 November 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

...or my abilities of understanding vastly exceed theirs.

Arrogant. That's what people don't like about your posts.

Jason Seven, on 26 November 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

Again, I am dead serious in all of my posts whether you like this or not. I always play games with 100% efficiency in mind. I play to win.

I also play to win. I also need to play in order to learn how to win.
I really dislike arrogant, elitist behaviour. Everyone needs to learn, and to do so you need to get the chance. A part of that is making mistakes and it sure helps to overcome those when someone extends a helping hand.

[Lady Rhonwyn]

Soki, on 26 November 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

I generally assume a defeated player is a bot.
How else would they die to non-group events?

Several reasons.  (I know, I'm feeding another troll!).
One.  The person had just finished a group event, but everybody else left without ressing the poor soul.  It does happen, you know
Two.  The person had just killed one spawn, was low on health when another group jumped on him
Three. The person was ambushed by a runner with a train
Four. The person was distracted for 5 seconds and ran into a group of foes
Five.  The person is new to the profession and hasn't figured out how to work it better
Six. The person is lagging like hell and will be kicked soon due to an err7 (happened to me several times since the Lost Shores update!  I'd stand still at the foe I wanted to attack, get kicked and when I got back, I found myself surrounded by 5 foes a little further away from where I was before I got kicked)

Need I go on?

[Jason Seven]

Darkobra, on 26 November 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

I noticed you never answered my question. In fact, you got defensive when I asked. So what are you hiding? Is it Ruin?

And that's the difference between us. You're a parasite riding on the back of your guild. I'm actually skilled enough to help people grow and get up to my level. Maybe one day your guild can actually help you get as good as I am! Keep working hard, son.

Wow you noticed that all by yourself? I'm impressed! Anyways, maybe it is Ruin, maybe it's not. I have no need answering the likes of you but I'll give you a hint. It might turn out being too challenging for you to figure out, though. Well, here's the hint: It's a guild playing GW2, WoW and Aion, our main game. Much more active in Aion again as of late. You see, everyone in our guild is at the exact same level of understanding and game knowledge. We don't waste our time teaching others or helping them grow unlike you. But I'm afraid you cannot comprehend something this simple. Then again, brains isn't everything, right? Although in your case it's next to nothing, at least from what I can tell. Now have fun figuring our guild name out!

Evans, on 26 November 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

Mmm, quite.
Arrogant. That's what people don't like about your posts.
I also play to win. I also need to play in order to learn how to win.
I really dislike arrogant, elitist behaviour. Everyone needs to learn, and to do so you need to get the chance. A part of that is making mistakes and it sure helps to overcome those when someone extends a helping hand.

I'm confident not arrogant. I know my level of comprehension rather well. Everyone needs to learn, quite right yet the vast majority of people can't and simply doesn't want to learn from their mistakes. They will never succeed, they will never matter, they will never win. I call these people dead weight. It's not needed to help dead weight as they are wasting your time which is better spent elsewhere. If you truly wish to win and not be forever learning how to win then you will eventually have to understand and accept this fact.

[Tyrant Crimson]

Videogames sure are serious business!

Anyway, I often res people, unless they're bots. It's also fun to lure enemies on them.

[Evans]

Jason Seven, on 26 November 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

I'm confident not arrogant. I know my level of comprehension rather well. Everyone needs to learn, quite right yet the vast majority of people can't and simply doesn't want to learn from their mistakes. They will never succeed, they will never matter, they will never win. I call these people dead weight. It's not needed to help dead weight as they are wasting your time which is better spent elsewhere. If you truly wish to win and not be forever learning how to win then you will eventually have to understand and accept this fact.

How philosophical! Basically we're all wallowing in our own incompetence until we learn to see this and then...stop playing?
I dare say with great statistical certainty that you are not the best Guild Wars 2 player in the world, whatever that may mean. Does this mean you should embrace this truth and give up on the game?

These dead weights are in fact influencing your gameplay and like it or not you need them. It's these "worthless beings" that are buying up your crap on the TP. It's their contribution to the world of Tyria that help roll out new content. If anything you should be grateful for them instead of looking down on them.

You're entitled to your own opinion. Whether it's arrogant or confident is in the eye of the beholder.

Edited by Evans, 26 November 2012 - 02:24 PM.

[Heart Collector]

Jason Seven, on 26 November 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

I'm confident not arrogant. I know my level of comprehension rather well. Everyone needs to learn, quite right yet the vast majority of people can't and simply doesn't want to learn from their mistakes. They will never succeed, they will never matter, they will never win. I call these people dead weight. It's not needed to help dead weight as they are wasting your time which is better spent elsewhere. If you truly wish to win and not be forever learning how to win then you will eventually have to understand and accept this fact.

Lionel Messi is more than confident in his skill but he never uses his status as one of the best footballers in the world to lord over others, nor will you ever hear him belittling other players and teams the way you are belittling your fellow gamers. Because he's not arrogant. I'm sorry, but you are arrogant. It's a flaw but so what we're not perfect, accept it, work on it, become a better person.

I do agree with you that people should try their hardest in whatever they decide to do and be willing to learn from their mistakes. But not everyone is the same, not everyone is as skilled nor learn as fast, and treating them the way you seem to is not the way to go. I'm not saying that we should mollycoddle everyone we meet but we should damn well treat them with dignity and show some self respect because though they may be worse than you at gaming, they are most definitely better than you at something else.

[raspberry jam]

songsnchaos, on 25 November 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

My guard went down under umpteen stacks of poison in an event just now. Only one other PC running around. I supported that player and pulled agro so they could do their thing. Did they bother to raise me? Nope. I understand not to do so during an attack, but not to during a lull or after the event instead of running around and talking to people? Am I missing something here?

Yeah, I know. Cry more. I really don't get that attitude.

It takes several seconds to rez you and there is no real benefit to it. Why would anyone care about you in any way whatsoever?

EDIT: I really mean that by the way, it's a design issue, there is no reason to care about other players.

Edited by raspberry jam, 26 November 2012 - 02:55 PM.

[Lady Rhonwyn]

raspberry jam, on 26 November 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

It takes several seconds to rez you and there is no real benefit to it. Why would anyone care about you in any way whatsoever?

EDIT: I really mean that by the way, it's a design issue, there is no reason to care about other players.

A pedestrian wants to cross the street.  It's pouring with rain.  I am sitting in my dry car.  Across the street there's a spot where that pedestrian can hide.  I am driving slowly.  Why should I stop to let him cross the street and let him take shelter?    There is no reason to care about him.

What about humanity?  How about feeling bad for somebody?  Empathy?  Are you really that selfish that you must always get a reward for helping people?

[Zero_Soulreaver]

I never understand why people are taking rezing as a personal attack.  If someone doesn't rez you their is a thing you can do called walking back.  This is a big problem I have with this game, people have that "me me me" attitude and are so easily offended by common gameplay things.  If someone doesn't rez you don't be offended, just go to the waypoint.

This has nothing to do with real life/ crossing the street, if you die crossing the street your dead a$$ aint getting back up.

Edited by Zero_Soulreaver, 26 November 2012 - 03:09 PM.

[Gilles VI]

Reikou, on 26 November 2012 - 02:24 AM, said:

its an inefficient use of time.

So is playing a game.
If you want to be efficient you should be working instead of playing a game.

[Lady Rhonwyn]

Zero_Soulreaver, on 26 November 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

I never understand why people taking rezing as a personal attack.  If someone doesn't rez you their is a thing you can do called walking back.  This is a big problem I have with this game, people have that "me me me" attitude and are so easily offended by common gameplay things.  If someone doesn't rez you don't be offended, just go to the waypoint.

Why would you walk away from somebody who has just helped you getting the DE done and died in the effort?  Will you say the next time: don't bother helping me because I won't help you either?

[Jason Seven]

Evans, on 26 November 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

How philosophical! Basically we're all wallowing in our own incompetence until we learn to see this and then...stop playing?
I dare say with great statistical certainty that you are not the best Guild Wars 2 player in the world, whatever that may mean. Does this mean you should embrace this truth and give up on the game?

These dead weights are in fact influencing your gameplay and like it or not you need them. It's these "worthless beings" that are buying up your crap on the TP. It's their contribution to the world of Tyria that help roll out new content. If anything you should be grateful for them instead of looking down on them.

I'm talking about people who aren't willing to learn from mistakes or just don't want to. I'm not talking about those who understand this and are willing to do so, like myself for example. Dead weight are more of a hindrance than anything else. During events they needlessly scale up enemies difficulty while not being the least bit beneficial to others nor themselves. Open world boss fights are especially affected by this, much to my dismay. In dungeons they drag down entire groups because they don't know what to do and cannot listen even if their life depended on it. That Leeroy Jenkins video comes to mind, staged but very representive of such players. Dead weight in WvW are of no value, they cannot survive on their own, they cannot scout, they cannot set up siege weapons, they can't control siege weapons, they only know how to press 1 on their keyboard and spacebar to jump. The word communication is unknown to them. Nothing but cannon fodder. But yes, they are influencing my gameplay, in a very bad way that is. They can buy things and buy more? What an amazing abilitiy to have! I'd best congratulate every single one for not being completely useless.

Heart Collector, on 26 November 2012 - 02:24 PM, said:

Lionel Messi is more than confident in his skill but he never uses his status as one of the best footballers in the world to lord over others, nor will you ever hear him belittling other players and teams the way you are belittling your fellow gamers. Because he's not arrogant. I'm sorry, but you are arrogant. It's a flaw but so what we're not perfect, accept it, work on it, become a better person.

I do agree with you that people should try their hardest in whatever they decide to do and be willing to learn from their mistakes. But not everyone is the same, not everyone is as skilled nor learn as fast, and treating them the way you seem to is not the way to go. I'm not saying that we should mollycoddle everyone we meet but we should damn well treat them with dignity and show some self respect because though they may be worse than you at gaming, they are most definitely better than you at something else.

It'd be foolish to think that what Messi or any other person considered a winner thinks and says is the same. He certainly knows better than to publicly say he's better than anyone else, don't you think? There'd be no gain if he did, only unwanted attention and trouble. Not everyone is the same, indeed but I'm not speaking of players who are willing to learn. I'm talking about those who don't even try. If you're level 80 and still die to common enemies in regular PVE zones then you're not worth my time at all. It tells me that throughout your leveling experience you've not managed to obtain enough knowledge about the game, your own class and your own limits. Knowing these three by the time you hit max level in any game is essential if you want to succeed and win. Maybe they are better than me at something else but this is a game and in that game it only matters how good you are at it not something else.

Lady Rhonwyn, on 26 November 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

Why would you walk away from somebody who has just helped you getting the DE done and died in the effort?  Will you say the next time: don't bother helping me because I won't help you either?

If they died they were obviously nothing but a bother. I never asked for their help to begin with. All they did was scale the difficulty of the event up. This event became too hard for them and they died while I stayed alive. What does that tell everyone? That I'm better than this player and they are not worth anyones time nor attention. They should be glad they can simply resurrect themselves at a waypoint for a very low amount of coin. They were nothing but incompetent dead weight from the very beginning until the very end to me, to themselves and to everyone else.