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[Zero_Soulreaver]

Lady Rhonwyn, on 26 November 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

Why would you walk away from somebody who has just helped you getting the DE done and died in the effort?  Will you say the next time: don't bother helping me because I won't help you either?

I wouldn't but can understand if someone does for a reason or 2.  It's depending on the player who has died, if they have been laying there for 20 mins then hell no I'm not gonna rez them.  Some people as soon as they are downed get all pissy someone didn't come running to rez them.
During dungeons I have had people die mid boss fight say "rez me cuz I don't feel like walking back" which makes me feel like well why the hell are you playing with us then if your so darn lazy?  People sometimes just waste time and effort laying dead when they could have been walked back.

My point is, it's really not that serious as a real life or death issue and you shouldn't expect people to always rez you.  That's just how the game is, people don't always rez and you should not be hurt by it.

Edited by Zero_Soulreaver, 26 November 2012 - 03:26 PM.

[Evans]

Jason Seven, on 26 November 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

I'm talking about people who aren't willing to learn from mistakes or just don't want to. I'm not talking about those who understand this and are willing to do so, like myself for example. Dead weight are more of a hindrance than anything else. During events they needlessly scale up enemies difficulty while not being the least bit beneficial to others nor themselves. Open world boss fights are especially affected by this, much to my dismay. In dungeons they drag down entire groups because they don't know what to do and cannot listen even if their life depended on it. That Leeroy Jenkins video comes to mind, staged but very representive of such players. Dead weight in WvW are of no value, they cannot survive on their own, they cannot scout, they cannot set up siege weapons, they can't control siege weapons, they only know how to press 1 on their keyboard and spacebar to jump. The word communication is unknown to them. Nothing but cannon fodder. But yes, they are influencing my gameplay, in a very bad way that is. They can buy things and buy more? What an amazing abilitiy to have! I'd best congratulate every single one for not being completely useless.

And how do you arbitrarily draw the line between willing to learn or not? You don't know these people and considering your glaring ignorance of social conventions I doubt you bother chatting with them. Thus it all boils down to "you die, you suck".
I hope you have never died in the game because that would make you a big hypocrite, but I'm fairly certain you have.

"I don't pity the dead, I pity the living and above all those who live without compassion."

You know my stance, I know yours.
While you'll run around ticked off when you see dead players, I go about feeling good for helping them out. I wonder who's really wasting his time then.

[Jason Seven]

Evans, on 26 November 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

And how do you arbitrarily draw the line between willing to learn or not? You don't know these people and considering your glaring ignorance of social conventions I doubt you bother chatting with them. Thus it all boils down to "you die, you suck".
I hope you have never died in the game because that would make you a big hypocrite, but I'm fairly certain you have.

"I don't pity the dead, I pity the living and above all those who live without compassion."

You know my stance, I know yours.
While you'll run around ticked off when you see dead players, I go about feeling good for helping them out. I wonder who's really wasting his time then.

Like I said in a previous post, I never die in normal PVE and very rarely in WvW. You must have misunderstood one thing though. I don't get ticked off seeing dead or downed players. Quite the opposite, I find it highly amusing. I run up to them, jump on their dead or downed bodies and laugh in-game as well as real life. Sometimes I even pretend to rez them until they thank me at which point I stop and laugh. It's quite a lot of fun.

[AarodCutshot]

If the person is getting heavy attack he might not rez or if you re around a huge mob he might not other then that then yes he should rez. If you ever played HA in gw1 very first thing you do beyond anything else is rez.

[raspberry jam]

Lady Rhonwyn, on 26 November 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

A pedestrian wants to cross the street.  It's pouring with rain.  I am sitting in my dry car.  Across the street there's a spot where that pedestrian can hide.  I am driving slowly.  Why should I stop to let him cross the street and let him take shelter? There is no reason to care about him.

What about humanity?  How about feeling bad for somebody?  Empathy?  Are you really that selfish that you must always get a reward for helping people?

IRL, helping people is its own reward. In a game, especially one where the person isn't even inconvenienced by the "problem" of being "dead" (since he can just rez at a waypoint, the fee is nothing to worry about right?), and where the most I'd get is an empty "thx" and watching him run away, yeah, I'd need to get something.

In a game which is built around a team, I'd of course rez him immediately, like I do in GW1.

[AarodCutshot]

raspberry jam, on 26 November 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

IRL, helping people is its own reward. In a game, especially one where the person isn't even inconvenienced by the "problem" of being "dead" (since he can just rez at a waypoint, the fee is nothing to worry about right?), and where the most I'd get is an empty "thx" and watching him run away, yeah, I'd need to get something.

In a game which is built around a team, I'd of course rez him immediately, like I do in GW1.

You get xp and a title how much more do you need.....

[Evans]

raspberry jam, on 26 November 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

IRL, helping people is its own reward. In a game, especially one where the person isn't even inconvenienced by the "problem" of being "dead" (since he can just rez at a waypoint, the fee is nothing to worry about right?), and where the most I'd get is an empty "thx" and watching him run away, yeah, I'd need to get something.

In a game which is built around a team, I'd of course rez him immediately, like I do in GW1.

What's so different about it? How often do you help strangers in real life? What more than a "Thank you" do you get out of that?
Tbh I don't know what you expect people to do when you rez them. Should they start conversation? Act as your private guardian (which arguably could be a bad idea)? Send you money?

You get experience and gratitude. Surely that counts for something?

Zero_Soulreaver, on 26 November 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

I wouldn't but can understand if someone does for a reason or 2.  It's depending on the player who has died, if they have been laying there for 20 mins then hell no I'm not gonna rez them.  Some people as soon as they are downed get all pissy someone didn't come running to rez them.
During dungeons I have had people die mid boss fight say "rez me cuz I don't feel like walking back" which makes me feel like well why the hell are you playing with us then if your so darn lazy?  People sometimes just waste time and effort laying dead when they could have been walked back.

My point is, it's really not that serious as a real life or death issue and you shouldn't expect people to always rez you.  That's just how the game is, people don't always rez and you should not be hurt by it.

Well you dont have to help everyone of course. If they have a real bad attitude they bring this on themselves.
Even Mother Teresa wouldn't rez Jason Seven for example.

Edited by Evans, 26 November 2012 - 03:57 PM.

[Isbaluna]

There are a few occasions where I won't bother to rez someone;
A. In the middle of a fight you rez slower, and you yourself are vulnerable. If the guy on the ground is getting bombarded with AOEs I'm not guna go near it, it's pointless to even try. Though if it is in PvE I'll just whack a Shadow Refuge on top of em and give em a rev, in fact sometimes it even works in PvP. If they are fully downed however it takes far too long to revive them whilst in combat, so chances are I won't bother.
B. I've been laying downed next to a PC whilst watching them auto attack a monster to death, I die and use the waypoint and come back to the DE (this is Claw of Jormag elemental stage by the way). Moments later the aforementioned PC is downed nearby, mist forms next to me and starts asking for help. I think not.
C. Last and certainly not least, recently in the Fractals with a PUG, come up to the Dredge Mining Suit boss. One guy clearly has no idea what he's doing, despite everyone explaining it several times, he keeps the boss still, allowing him to heal and also repeatedly dying. After the boss had already taken twice as long as it should I think the sudden realisation to leave the guy dead for good came over the whole group (we did revive him after the boss was dead however, just nice like that.)

Basically if it's going to inconvenience me, I know you wouldn't do the same for me, or ... well if you are already inconveniencing me then don't expect a rev. Other than that when I see a player go down expect me to dodge over to them, stealth the pair of us (though normally wasted by the AA spam from the downed PC) and get that lil guy back on his feet.


EDIT: Whole post pointless didn't see the "after fight bit". Yeah if the person's annoyed me already I wouldn't rev them. If not I see no reason not to.

Edited by Isbaluna, 26 November 2012 - 04:09 PM.

[astromarmot]

Actually, I kinda wish they had a DNR flag, as I'm often unexpectedly afk due to RL issues...

[Red_Eye_Dreams]

Jason Seven, on 26 November 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

IThose players are worth my time unlike randoms met while traveling around who don't understand basic concepts of this game. That being said I've never been in one of those so called pick-up groups. If I wanted to waste my time I'd rather farm Karma instead of dealing with subpar players.

Damn bro didn't realize your time was so valuable.  Maybe you should rethink playing an online game, and just charge people to hang out with you.  You could be a billionare, drive expensive cars, even get invited to some big time parties!  I just hope quoting your post doesn't cost me anything.

You really need to rethink your life goals and personal priorities if this is how your mind works.  Sooner rather than later.

In all seriousness, nobody probably "wastes" their time trying to interact with you in real life, and that is why you feel this way.

Back on topic, I always rez people, I even might travel a bit if I see someone down and needs some assistance.  I would want someone to do it for me, so I try to help others as much as possible.  Also, my little bro plays and he is a low level and not exactly the most proficient player, and people are always rezzing him so their are some good people out there.  I respect people who rez me or my bro, and I always make sure to send them a quick thanks.  Its how I was raised.  Some of us don't play daily, and if we do, its only for a short period of time, so finding PUGs is essential.  Having a little bit of respect and willingness to help each other goes a long way.

[Silvercat18]

Only time i avoid rezzing is on some escort events where the escort npc is running off into the distance. If you get too far away from them it can kick you out of the event, so sometimes its every man for himself and stick as close as you can.

[Jason Seven]

Red_Eye_Dreams, on 26 November 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Damn bro didn't realize your time was so valuable.  Maybe you should rethink playing an online game, and just charge people to hang out with you.  You could be a billionare, drive expensive cars, even get invited to some big time parties!  I just hope quoting your post doesn't cost me anything.
You really need to rethink your life goals and personal priorities if this is how your mind works.  Sooner rather than later.
In all seriousness, nobody probably "wastes" their time trying to interact with you in real life, and that is why you feel this way.

Well, you can send some money my way if you want to, not necessary though but it's always welcome! I don't see what my life goals or priorities have to do with my mindset while playing video games. Your last sentence is rather contradicting with how things actually are considering I mostly play with RL friends and that we just had a boot camp at my place several days ago.

[deitiesforce]

I probably wouldn't rez you because you are the type that gets mad when people don't rez you and it's funny to watch. Anyway, generally I will rez people but some people just can't comprehend that there are so many other reasons that make a person can't rez you and it is not personal. So stop taking it personally when you have no idea what's going on in that persons min.

[raspberry jam]

Evans, on 26 November 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

What's so different about it? How often do you help strangers in real life? What more than a "Thank you" do you get out of that?
Tbh I don't know what you expect people to do when you rez them. Should they start conversation? Act as your private guardian (which arguably could be a bad idea)? Send you money?

You get experience and gratitude. Surely that counts for something?

IRL I help people when I feel like it, exactly like in games. It happens quite a lot. As for GW2, xp means nothing to me and neither does the gratitude of someone that forgets my name as soon as the camera pans away from me.

You know exactly what I expect people to do when I rez them. I expect them to say "thx" and then go about their business. I gain nothing from the single line of text nor from their business, and therefore there is no point in taking the extra seconds to go rez them. My expectations on them is the very thing that compels me to allow them to save a few coppers. ANet constructed these expectations, so blame them, not me.

AarodCutshot, on 26 November 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

You get xp and a title how much more do you need.....

Something that helps me achieve in-game goals. For example, I would instantly rez a battle comrade.

[EnRohbi]

As far as ressing people goes, I don't see much of a benefit for myself, the Combat Healer title wasn't a huge incentive, and didn't take all /that/ long to get anyway.
But I still res people.

As others have said, if they seem to be afk I'll leave them lying there.
If I'm in the middle of a big event and I have plenty of aggro on me, I will leave them there because there's no benefit to half-ressing someone and then dying yourself.  That's just two dead bodies on the field.
If I'm in the middle of a big event and the enemy's attention is focused elsewhere, I will always try to get people up.

I would rather be promoting a healthy, supportive gaming community.  Instead of one where everybody is so angry about not getting ressed themselves that they stop ressing other people.
If I wanted those 10 seconds of my time to be that valuable, I would not be playing a game with it.

Edited by unraveled, 27 November 2012 - 10:42 AM.
Removed off topic content.

[Black Autumn]

Linfang, on 25 November 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

I rezed people who just stand up and do not move or do anything but die again, but they were fighting before they died. I think some people use death to do a quick afk not always expecting people to rez them right away

For what it's worth, I've been rezzed in a fight only to find I am unable to move right away (even dodge-rolling won't go) resulting in my very quick re-death.  It's rare, but it happens.

[ScoutMATH]

Jason Seven, on 26 November 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

I've gotten my second Ascended ring and a backpiece a few days ago. I've done all instances in-game so far with people from my guild. Those players are worth my time unlike randoms met while traveling around who don't understand basic concepts of this game. That being said I've never been in one of those so called pick-up groups. If I wanted to waste my time I'd rather farm Karma instead of dealing with subpar players.

don't generalize. i've pugged level 2 to level 20 fractals. and 95% the run went smoothly. you will encounter baggages but its a team game so you and 4 other guys have to carry the team.

i love pugging. i don't know why. i don't want to do things with my (pve) guild coz i don't want anyone to get disappointed with one another if we fail. at least if you get disappointed with a pug, you can just dismiss and carry on.

Edited by ScoutMATH, 26 November 2012 - 07:24 PM.

[Jason Seven]

ScoutMATH, on 26 November 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

don't generalize. i've pugged level 2 to level 20 fractals. and 95% the run went smoothly. you will encounter baggages but its a team game so you and 4 other guys have to carry the team.

I'd rather have 5 people not carry anyone but themselves. No need for PUGs for me anyways but the name in itself screams any lack of structure and people who actually listen.

[Lady Rhonwyn]

Zero_Soulreaver, on 26 November 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

I wouldn't but can understand if someone does for a reason or 2.  It's depending on the player who has died, if they have been laying there for 20 mins then hell no I'm not gonna rez them.  Some people as soon as they are downed get all pissy someone didn't come running to rez them.
During dungeons I have had people die mid boss fight say "rez me cuz I don't feel like walking back" which makes me feel like well why the hell are you playing with us then if your so darn lazy?  People sometimes just waste time and effort laying dead when they could have been walked back.

My point is, it's really not that serious as a real life or death issue and you shouldn't expect people to always rez you.  That's just how the game is, people don't always rez and you should not be hurt by it.

Take my experience from last week.  Three people, me and two others.  I helped them (even revived one of them when he was downed) and then they moved away while leaving me dead (nasty traps in the dark!).  I'd never ask for a revive if I see they're still fighting.  That can be done when you're done fighting and have time again.

I don't expect people to always revive me, but I do expect people to have some common curtsey.  I'm often disappointed...

Edited by unraveled, 27 November 2012 - 10:44 AM.
Removed off topic content.

[Jason Seven]

Lady Rhonwyn, on 27 November 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

Take my experience from last week.  Three people, me and two others.  I helped them (even revived one of them when he was downed) and then they moved away while leaving me dead (nasty traps in the dark!).  I'd never ask for a revive if I see they're still fighting.  That can be done when you're done fighting and have time again.

I don't expect people to always revive me, but I do expect people to have some common curtsey.  I'm often disappointed...  

Survival of the fittest. Eat or die. You helped them and this is where you went wrong. You should've left them to die, it's of no concern to you whether they survived or not. After all, it's their own mistake for failing so utterly. You wouldn't be disappointed this often if you were to not help people who will never help you. But I must thank you, you just gave me a wonderful idea. This trailing thing sounds very intriguing and I'll put it to good use rather soon. Guess I'll do this in some starting areas and zones like Orr.

Edited by unraveled, 27 November 2012 - 10:44 AM.
Amended quote.

[swirlwind]

raspberry jam, on 26 November 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

For example, I would instantly rez a battle comrade.

The thing is, from my point of view, every single player on my server (in PvE or WvW) is a potential battle comrade. I will always opt to rez a member of my party or guild before a stranger (unless my friend is dead and the stranger is downed), but I will never leave anyone behind after the fighting is done (unless they have been actively abusive). Every single player is a potential comrade in the next DE or event chain, as it takes a very bad player indeed to be more trouble than they're worth in regular PvE/WvW. In the end, it's a game and most people are there to have a good time. If I can contribute to that in such a simple way, there is no reason for me not to.

EnRohbi, on 26 November 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

I would rather be promoting a healthy, supportive gaming community.  Instead of one where everybody is so angry about not getting ressed themselves that they stop ressing other people.

This.

[raspberry jam]

swirlwind, on 27 November 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

The thing is, from my point of view, every single player on my server (in PvE or WvW) is a potential battle comrade. I will always opt to rez a member of my party or guild before a stranger (unless my friend is dead and the stranger is downed), but I will never leave anyone behind after the fighting is done (unless they have been actively abusive). Every single player is a potential comrade in the next DE or event chain, as it takes a very bad player indeed to be more trouble than they're worth in regular PvE/WvW. In the end, it's a game and most people are there to have a good time. If I can contribute to that in such a simple way, there is no reason for me not to.

In a zerg, there's always someone else that will rez, allowing me more time to tag enemies. If it's not a zerg and I just run into someone that is dead, it's not worth it to stop and rez.

"Potential" battle comrade is only worth as much as that potential. Which turns out to be very low.

[jirayasan]

I always ress people and if i didn't it would probably be because either they are dead and i'm in combat or i really have to go and real life is calling for me.