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#1 BreadBuddy

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:30 PM

Ran out of BL kits. I used to always salvage any rares I get but now what? Should I sell to tp or are Mystic Salvage kits still worth the salvaging?

Also for salvaging rare armor bought with tokens from dungeon reward merchants. Yay or Nay?

#2 turbo234

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:37 PM

I've always wanted to figure out if the average price per salvage is worth it, but I still have a couple so I haven't gotten around to finding out yet. It's nearly 4g for a kit now though which definitely blows.

edit that, 5g with the newly added makeover kits

Edited by turbo234, 27 November 2012 - 01:40 PM.


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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:41 PM

1) its up to you, mystic chests are 2nd to only Black Lion kits in ecto-salvaging efficiency.  If I didn't have a bunch of black lion kits laying around that I got from black lion chests near quickstart I'd probably be making them.

2) yes, but they have to be from CoF, HotW, CoE, or Arah to get ecto as those are the only ones of a high enough level.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:43 PM

View PostBreadBuddy, on 27 November 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Ran out of BL kits. I used to always salvage any rares I get but now what? Should I sell to tp or are Mystic Salvage kits still worth the salvaging?

Also for salvaging rare armor bought with tokens from dungeon reward merchants. Yay or Nay?

Actually...NONE of the salvage kits really mentions any increased chance of getting globs of ectoplasms, come to think of it.

I always used BL ones, simply because I had them - and usually got 0-1, a LOT of times I'd not get even 1, so that's that.

Salvage kits increase the chance for rare materials (orichalcum, ancient wood logs, gossamer) and the chance of reclaiming upgrades (sigils/runes) but not the ecto chance - so I'd think, it doesn't matter AT ALL what you salvage them with.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:47 PM

View Postturbo234, on 27 November 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

I've always wanted to figure out if the average price per salvage is worth it, but I still have a couple so I haven't gotten around to finding out yet. It's nearly 4g for a kit now though which definitely blows.

edit that, 5g with the newly added makeover kits

at 5g, you can start making profit after 6 salvages if you get 3 ectos a salvage at their current price of ~28s/each (18*28 = 504) assuming best case scenario.  You get 250 uses with the mystic kit.  Its not a bad option if you are just planning on reselling the ectos.

View PostIllein, on 27 November 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Salvage kits increase the chance for rare materials (orichalcum, ancient wood logs, gossamer) and the chance of reclaiming upgrades (sigils/runes) but not the ecto chance - so I'd think, it doesn't matter AT ALL what you salvage them with.

ecto = rare material, that's why its name is in yellow in game.

#6 Illein

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:53 PM

View Postmatsif, on 27 November 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

at 5g, you can start making profit after 6 salvages if you get 3 ectos a salvage at their current price of ~28s/each (18*28 = 504) assuming best case scenario.  You get 250 uses with the mystic kit.  Its not a bad option if you are just planning on reselling the ectos.



ecto = rare material, that's why its name is in yellow in game.

Actually it says "RARER material" in the salvage text - which 100% refers to getting ORICHALCUM instead of Mithril from a 80 white item, i.e. (since you can't get ectos from whites/greens/blues)

So yeah, I still don't think any salvage kit you could use, has an effect on ectos.

Edited by Illein, 27 November 2012 - 01:53 PM.


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Posted 27 November 2012 - 02:05 PM

View PostIllein, on 27 November 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

Actually it says "RARER material" in the salvage text - which 100% refers to getting ORICHALCUM instead of Mithril from a 80 white item, i.e. (since you can't get ectos from whites/greens/blues)

So yeah, I still don't think any salvage kit you could use, has an effect on ectos.

ecto is a rare mat. using the BLK increases your chance of getting them from salvaging. everything else is irrelevant in which this thread is talking about.

#8 Illein

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 02:08 PM

View Postturbo234, on 27 November 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

ecto is a rare mat. using the BLK increases your chance of getting them from salvaging. everything else is irrelevant in which this thread is talking about.

"Double click then select an item in your inventory to salvage for crafting materials. 100% chance of recovering upgrades. 50% chance to get rarer materials. "

The bolded part refers to Orichalcum and other T6 crafting materials. I'd not be so sure that a glob of ectoplasm can be considered a "rarer material". Just saying.

I'd love for you to prove me wrong.

According to all I know, Globs of Ectoplasm are categorized as "trophies". It's rare for items to have a positive effect in those circumstances that would outshine their initial purpose without the tooltip reflecting that...very rare, in MMOs in general. Usually it's the other way around ;)

Just like the tooltop says "a chance of 50%" which afaik isn't true. It increases the chance for rarer materials BY 50%.

Edited by Illein, 27 November 2012 - 02:14 PM.


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Posted 27 November 2012 - 02:36 PM

View PostIllein, on 27 November 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Actually...NONE of the salvage kits really mentions any increased chance of getting globs of ectoplasms, come to think of it.

I always used BL ones, simply because I had them - and usually got 0-1, a LOT of times I'd not get even 1, so that's that.

Salvage kits increase the chance for rare materials (orichalcum, ancient wood logs, gossamer) and the chance of reclaiming upgrades (sigils/runes) but not the ecto chance - so I'd think, it doesn't matter AT ALL what you salvage them with.

That is a good point to raise, but the extra couple copper per salvage is worth it imo.  the actual amount of samples to come to the conclusion that ectos don't count in the "rare" mat bonus would be very large, and i'm far too lazy to track that kind of data.

That and i made 20 mystic salvage kits the second week in... locked in prices FTW   :D

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 02:41 PM

View PostVysander, on 27 November 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

That is a good point to raise, but the extra couple copper per salvage is worth it imo.  the actual amount of samples to come to the conclusion that ectos don't count in the "rare" mat bonus would be very large, and i'm far too lazy to track that kind of data.

That and i made 20 mystic salvage kits the second week in... locked in prices FTW   :D

people already have taken samples. it does make a difference.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 02:43 PM

I once got a Glob of Ectoplasm with a Crude Salvage Kit. So yeah, it could use some research but I'm inclined to think salvage kits have no bearing on the chance of getting Ectoplasm.

ArenaNet on the other hand said they will be "fixing" the lack of Ectoplasm outside of salvaging. I'll pay to see that.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 02:47 PM

View Postturbo234, on 27 November 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

people already have taken samples. it does make a difference.

I know, i said it in a more... politically correct way? CYA way?

And i cant remember what thread those were in, so didnt want to have to look for something to cite.

But yea, i would never not use the mystic kits. (or black lion if i had any left)

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 02:44 PM

View PostIllein, on 27 November 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

The bolded part refers to Orichalcum and other T6 crafting materials. I'd not be so sure that a glob of ectoplasm can be considered a "rarer material". Just saying.

I'd love for you to prove me wrong.

I guess I do not understand how you know better than conventional wisdom why Orichalcum and T6 mats are the only things covered by the term "rarer materials." So, I personally think the burden of proof is on you in this case

GW2 has a very specific definition of the term "trophy," explained in detail here. Globs of Ectoplasm are described as "crafting materials" by their own in-game tooltips, and are exotic (they're orange, not gold) and thus certainly "rarer."

On topic, I have always salvaged my rares no matter whether I had a Mystic, Master's or Black Lion salvage kit, on the assumption that getting just one ecto per rare makes it worthwhile. I've been burned a few times, but I've also gotten 15 ectos from 5 rares before. I'm pretty sure I've come out ahead on average.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:10 PM

First off all I would use black lion salvage kits only for exotics with an rare sigil/rune. (good profit on tp).

For the mystic salvage kit they are the same as yellow mystic kits on stats. So to decide wich are cheaper 10 times 25 uses from npc kit or forge the mystic 1 u can see it here
http://wiki.guildwar...tic_Salvage_Kit

Depends on gem price if they are cheaper or not. But allways nice since they have 250 uses so don't need to bother for a while.

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These kits are more cost effective than buying 10 single kits while the price for 100 gems is below 94 Posted Image 34 Posted Image assuming buying packs of 10 stones (see talk for the maths)

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:50 PM

Selling rares at their current prices (~30s or so) gives you guaranteed profits at likely a smaller margin. Salvaging for ectos have a chance of no return, or a chance for higher profits when you get more than one ecto. I would almost expect the latter to be less profitable because you can never be sure that your gains will always outweigh your losses.

I think that's the decision you have to make. Statistics are only, after all, statistics. ;)

Edited by Steadfast Gao Shun, 29 November 2012 - 09:51 PM.


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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:57 PM

View PostReMarkable91, on 29 November 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

These kits are more cost effective than buying 10 single kits while the price for 100 gems is below 94 Posted Image 34 Posted Image assuming buying packs of 10 stones (see talk for the maths)
^^This...so unless the added value to you of having 250 in one stack is worth almost twice the price...NO they are not worth it anymore...just use master kits

#17 Illein

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:49 PM

Just for those interested: After 2 weeks of now salvaging PURELY with basic kits (88c for 25 pieces) I got just as many ectoplasms as I did before, using the black lion salvage kit for each and every single rare and exotic.

So whatever some people say - it does NOT somehow affect your chances for ectos.

Feeling majorly retarded for wasting all my black lion kits for those damn rares when I would need them right now to use them for their inherit purpose - getting sigils/runes out of weapons/armor with a 100% chance.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:08 PM

Crude/Basic kit for everything that doesn't return a rare material. For getting more change on rarer materials, use the Master Kit (25% of returning rare materials).

Globs of Ectoplasm , have nothing to do with these rarer %, the fact that you will get more Ectos using a BLSK or Mystic Kit is a big lie, you will get the same amount of Ecto with any salavage kit always. The rarer % materials only affects: Orichalcum Ore, Gossamer Scrap, Ancient Wood Log etc.

I recommend using the Master Kit for Rares and Exotics, for having a chance to get Orichalcum Ore instead Mithril Ore, Gossamer Scrap instead of Silk Scrap, Ancient Wood Log instead of Elder Wood Log. Plus the 80% of recovering an upgrade is more than enough, unless there is an important expensive upgrade that you want to remove 100%, then you use the Black Lion Salvage Kit, but then again, Glob of Ectoplasm have nothing to do with the rarer %

To answer the question: Are Mystic Salvage Kits worth it for ectos?
Answer: No

Edited by malevolence, 16 December 2012 - 01:14 PM.


#19 Illein

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:25 PM

View Postmalevolence, on 16 December 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

Crude/Basic kit for everything that doesn't return a rare material. For getting more change on rarer materials, use the Master Kit (25% of returning rare materials).

Globs of Ectoplasm , have nothing to do with these rarer %, the fact that you will get more Ectos using a BLSK or Mystic Kit is a big lie, you will get the same amount of Ecto with any salavage kit always. The rarer % materials only affects: Orichalcum Ore, Gossamer Scrap, Ancient Wood Log etc.

I recommend using the Master Kit for Rares and Exotics, for having a chance to get Orichalcum Ore instead Mithril Ore, Gossamer Scrap instead of Silk Scrap, Ancient Wood Log instead of Elder Wood Log. Plus the 80% of recovering an upgrade is more than enough, unless there is an important expensive upgrade that you want to remove 100%, then you use the Black Lion Salvage Kit, but then again, Glob of Ectoplasm have nothing to do with the rarer %

To answer the question: Are Mystic Salvage Kits worth it for ectos?
Answer: No

Exactly. Glad I am not the only one who thinks that - I was about to feel a bit like I was taking crazy pills.



Your post should be made into a sticky for all those drops who are still using Black Lion kits on every rare - these puppies cost what by today's gold exchange rate? 6 GOLD per 25 pieces? Use them with care.




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