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#1 Bloodtau

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:20 PM

on my server it seems this is true. Barely anyone is running the normal dungeons any more, it's complete nightmare trying to get a group together to go for a run in one. Can forget trying to get a full set of dungeon armour now. Everyone and their dogs seem set on doing only fractals now.

This a similar occurrence on other people's servers?

#2 TGIFrisbie

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:22 PM

Why get a +5 weapon when you can get a +6....

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After the weekend event craze I found regular instance groups being formed more and more on Blackgate.

#3 Inraged Twitch

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:27 PM

Yes it is a nightmare, ANET should do something like daily increase drop rate (like +10%) for different dungeon paths to get people doing regular dungeons again.

OR weekend events like they had in GW1.

Edited by Inraged Twitch, 27 November 2012 - 11:27 PM.


#4 Bloggi

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:42 PM

The Fractal dungeons have definitely done their part in causing more players to leave certain well-worn paths, and left other areas deserted. It's a bit unfortunate since I'd prefer to see players more spread out across the map rather than hangind around a few choice locations. But as the difficulty level in Fractals increases, some players may hit a brick wall and decide it's too difficult to run from that point on, or decide to run the same difficulty level over and over just to grind out their ascended gear.

It's going to get stale real quick. At that point we may see a move of players back to regular dungeons again.

FOTM is exactly what it is. Flavor of the month.

#5 TGIFrisbie

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:45 PM

View PostInraged Twitch, on 27 November 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

Yes it is a nightmare, ANET should do something like daily increase drop rate (like +10%) for different dungeon paths to get people doing regular dungeons again.

OR weekend events like they had in GW1.

Or whatever it is luring peeps to Fractals be incorporated somehow into the current stock instances.  However I think this is something to come, as in they have recently stated they will be reworking the original instances "in the coming months.".

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:47 PM

Not for mine.. Still do CoF and farmed Arah P3 the other day xD

#7 Daesu

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:04 AM

Perhaps they should change the name of the game from "Guild Wars 2" to "Flavor of the Month" since FOTM has essentially taken over the whole game.

Edited by Daesu, 28 November 2012 - 12:06 AM.


#8 TGIFrisbie

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:31 AM

View PostDaesu, on 28 November 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

Perhaps they should change the name of the game from "Guild Wars 2" to "Flavor of the Month" since FOTM has essentially taken over the whole game.

You only need one path when progressing vertically, UP.

#9 Alex Dimitri

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:33 AM

Well people want new shinnies can you blame them, no i can`t....and the new shinnies are there !
But this is not biggest problem, even if you want to go there you might not find party...... "say what your lvl 3....no we need lvl 10 people" does this sounds kind of familiar ?

I know that new stuff needs to be popular so that work invested wouldn`t be just waste of time, but really levels inside of dungeon (that is infinite by the way?).....ok Anet i didn`t really see that comming !

Now it`s level, later on will be amount of Ascended gear you have, after that rarity of the infusion on your armor....you see where i am going with this !

If anyone can explain to me why the hell they want to separate players, this is the first step towards "leet" forces....or whatever !

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:40 AM

It's brand new content. People are going to play it a lot. Things will even out and settle back into a more "normal" distribution in time.

I would have thought that would pretty self-evident if you just take a second to think about it.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:40 AM

View PostDark, on 27 November 2012 - 11:47 PM, said:

Not for mine.. Still do CoF and farmed Arah P3 the other day xD

See, and that's exactly the problem. Try to find a full group of players doing a difficult dungeon. The reward/effort scaling for dungeons is horrible off at the moment. You mentioned the easiest ones. People are doing fractals because you can get ascended rings next to other nice loot. There is no point doing other dungeons unless you really want the skin. What really sucks for people who actually want those skins.

#12 MeltyLotus

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:44 AM

It doesn't take me too long while sitting in LA to find a group for CoF 1&2, TA or AC.

It's the other dungeons no one wants to do. Then need to beef up the drops in dungeons. Personally I don't think blues should drop in dungeons once they add the new tier in them. That might be why people don't like to do the other stuff. There is no high level gear, I still don't believe exotics drop there*Have never seen one drop* Rares, are way to rare to be the middle tier. Why go when it's all going to be blue and green.

Its the drop rates in this game that are the most messed up thing imo. So of course everyone wants to do the thing that gives them the best chance at loot. FOTM is all there is sadly.

They should have put the new gear all over the world from the start. Until they do that the game will be divided. Hopefully it gets fixed by wintersday if not sooner.

Edited by MeltyLotus, 28 November 2012 - 12:45 AM.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:33 AM

I am still doing those traditional dungeons, they are good source of exotics for my alt characters. I don't spend much time on FOTM because Anet has promised that there will be other ways to get ascended items (eg. WvW rewards).

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:42 AM

The "quick" dungeons (AC, TA, CoF, to a lesser extent CM) always have groups on my server.  Used to be able to find SE and HotW all the time, not so much now.  CoE was always low but still has a few every now and then.  Arah I hardly have ever seen and continue to not see.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:14 AM

View PostmadmaxII, on 28 November 2012 - 12:40 AM, said:

See, and that's exactly the problem. Try to find a full group of players doing a difficult dungeon. The reward/effort scaling for dungeons is horrible off at the moment. You mentioned the easiest ones. People are doing fractals because you can get ascended rings next to other nice loot. There is no point doing other dungeons unless you really want the skin. What really sucks for people who actually want those skins.

Very true. But my server has lots of people so i can find people in LA.. other ones on the other hand.. i feel bad for you peoplez

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:28 AM

View PostMeltyLotus, on 28 November 2012 - 12:44 AM, said:

It doesn't take me too long while sitting in LA to find a group for CoF 1&2, TA or AC.
I didn't have a lot of problems finding dungeon groups either. Did AC (all paths), CoF and CM and there's still a significant number of players that still want to do those. In comparison, dungeons are still more profitable than low level fractal runs and you still get the unique skins. And I'm in quite an active guild, which also greatly helps.

Alas, not all dungeons are as popular but I've yet to find one that no-one does.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:34 AM

You get a ton of rares and exotics from FotM and you are working towards better gear. So there is really no point to do other dungeons at the moment. Not saying I agree with this, I am only on FotM lvl 10 and I didnt want to go that high, just dont want to fall to far behind.

#18 Ardeni

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:43 AM

Yes, FoTM has deserted most of the existing dungeons. Only AC and TA seem to be alive, at least when thinking about pugs. I think the two main reasons for this are that fotm doesn't have DR and it offers ascended items even though AC, for example, is a much better way of earning money for those who don't have luck with rare drops in FoTM.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:48 AM

I haven't seen much of a change to any of the dungeons being ran. Dungeons themselves generally provide terrible optimization to stats anyways, causing only a select few from being ran often.
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#20 Auenwing

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:30 AM

I still see some groups looking for the dungeons.

As for myself and my guild, we stepped into a couple of fractals just to see what they looked like. Concluded they felt too much like Rift / WoW  and decided we were done with them. We've never particularly been fans of FoTM in any shape or form.

We're quite happily back in the normal dungeons and have 2 more sets of alts we are planning to run through as well.

Don't know if the "shiney new plaything" will wear off for most players after a couple of weekends.

Probably take at least a month.

Isn't that how long it took most of the now-departed players to get to 80, grab their legendaries, claim they'd beat the game and leave?

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:51 AM

Heh FotM will only go back to become like the other dungeons when we get other ways to get the gear. Simple like that.

Better stats > cool looking for the great majority , this i have no doubt.

So is FotM the flavor of the month? Honestly that depends on how fast Anet fixes their mess.

PS: Note , if even after they add FotM is still the best path without a doubt , pretty sure this will remain.

Well the good side this does not affect me , i only run HotW and AC , and i got formed parties for both.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 10:21 AM

View Postmatsif, on 28 November 2012 - 02:42 AM, said:

The "quick" dungeons (AC, TA, CoF, to a lesser extent CM) always have groups on my server.  Used to be able to find SE and HotW all the time, not so much now.  CoE was always low but still has a few every now and then.  Arah I hardly have ever seen and continue to not see.
The main problem with CoE is that the easiest and quickest path is bugged atm, and the bug was introduced at the same time as FotM. Were it not for that, I'm sure it'd be up with AC TA and CoF. Personally, I see a lot more HotW than CM - I tend to do at least 1 path of that every couple of days, and rarely take long to find a group.

Has FotM killed regular dungeon groups : No, but it has taken away from them. A basic LFG option would fix everything, but it's not being worked on, so ...

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:12 PM

also, for those of you wanting to run stuff other than FotM (although it is included), try gw2lfg.com.  Found out about it last night while spamming in LA and got in the final HotW runs I needed for a piece of armor for my guardian instead of waiting around praying for someone who actually wants to run it.  Usually stuff in there for every dungeon and tons for fractals if you are having trouble getting a group for your level.

I mean this feature should just be in game...but whatever it works.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:20 PM

View PostBloodtau, on 27 November 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

on my server it seems this is true. Barely anyone is running the normal dungeons any more, it's complete nightmare trying to get a group together to go for a run in one. Can forget trying to get a full set of dungeon armour now. Everyone and their dogs seem set on doing only fractals now.

This a similar occurrence on other people's servers?

First of all i would say : join a Guild.
We have a tight group of people who do the dungeons regularly, and yes atm, because it's new, we do FotM a little more than the other dungeons, we will still do the old dungeons.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:36 PM

My guild runs regular dungeons. We're not doing fractals without level 80 with exotic gear so we'll be doing all the lower dungeons until everyone has the gear they want.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:41 PM

There will be no going back, when FOTM gets stale, Anet will roll out the next 'big content drop' as they call them which will of course up the gear grind another notch  So far there is not an MMO on the planet that does not eat it's young, meaning forsake new players while trying to milk their end gamers for as much cash shop income as they can.  It is only going to get worse.  If you don't run content when it is new like the story dungeons, your basically screwed.  Try going to any world and post a LFG for any dungeon other than AC and then enjoy the next hour of inactivity.  When Anet says they are 'looking into' something like this problem, that is code for we are doing nothing about it and we are looking to see if you forget about it.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:47 PM

I rarely see groups running anything. Can sit in a dungeon location for ages asking for a group or looking for more members.

While alot of people will disagree I think a LFG tool should be implemented, even one without a "specc" option. This would enable people to "que" for a dungeon, but instead of sitting in an area that they might have cleared, they can then be doing other things.

#28 Nonlinear

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 10:25 PM

www.gw2lfg.com

It's great.  Seriously....  Use it....  Unless you're a bad.  Seriously...  If you're a bad then please don't use it.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 03:23 AM

I can't even get passed 13 looking for a group. I sit around LA during primetime for an hour everyday, haven't had any luck for like a week. So in a way, Fractals even killed itself. Some other poor schmups have been in there longer than I have looking for a Lvl 1 group. We ended up just commiserating and I left to play more Tribes. CoF doesn't run either, and that in and of itself is indicative of how healthy the other dungeons are.

Edited by Wordsworth, 29 November 2012 - 03:23 AM.


#30 Auenwing

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 03:37 AM

View PostWordsworth, on 29 November 2012 - 03:23 AM, said:

I can't even get passed 13 looking for a group. I sit around LA during primetime for an hour everyday, haven't had any luck for like a week. So in a way, Fractals even killed itself. Some other poor schmups have been in there longer than I have looking for a Lvl 1 group. We ended up just commiserating and I left to play more Tribes. CoF doesn't run either, and that in and of itself is indicative of how healthy the other dungeons are.


Well, I would certainly agree that Tribes > fractals.  But that says more about Tribes than anything. :)  (Old ren player here).

Would love to see the numbers over the next month on just how many people are running what. Doubt we will see those. Hope ANet is watching them.




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