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#31 Di-Dorval

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:59 AM

View PostReverse Ghost, on 03 December 2012 - 12:35 AM, said:

Well first, it is very very easy to just plug in a 360 or PS3 controller into your PC's USB port and use that.


Yea my PC is just plugged to my TV and I play most games with a controller. No problems there.

All I want in the next console is the power to rivals today standard gaming PC so that I can play better looking/ more complex ports on my PC.
Wii U dosn't seems to do that atm so it already seems to be a miss...

Though the Wii U controller is interesting has the touch screen can give the options for more buttons. That's something that was needed imo. Controllers with MOAR buttons so that PC controllers will be made with more buttons too (also it would give developers more options in their games for skills or wtv). Buttons.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 04:22 AM

What bothers me most about the future of consoles and gaming in general is the push towards motion games, 3D, touch screens, etc.... Why do they feel the need to push all these things into gaming? Is it just to attract more females, kids, adults, casuals to gaming? It seems like the "serious" gamers will be left out and will no longer be catered to if all companies focus on is casual stuff. Those articles about microsoft planning to make 2 versions of the new xbox (one for casuals) and the one about sony patenting a motion controller hybrid really trouble me and if that's where things are going I won't be too excited about the new consoles.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:23 AM

Things I want most in my PS4
       Backwards compatible
       Good games
       Not too expensive

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:33 AM

I want Mouse/Keyboard support for the games. I will never buy a console game that involves a lot of aiming with a controller (read: shooter), because i hate it with a passion and i suck at it :)

Thats it.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 06:43 PM

View Postsqwertty278448, on 03 December 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

1> most people cant afford a gaming PC so they have to buy a console, meaning most people game on consoles

2> exclusive games
3> built specifically for gaming so when you see a game for your console you dont have to worry if your console is powerful enough for it. But with PC your PC needs to be good enough to run certain games.


4> first person shooters  seem better to play on a console.

5> In the end, i just feel like Console's are better for gaming just because they are meant for gaming and have lots of specific gaming features in them.

1> In the end its all just opinion...but you cant argue with the fact that more people will buy consoles because theyre cheaper than PC
I wanted to dispute some of your assumptions that and point out that as all things technical, things change over time.

#5: Consoles are just PCs with limited peripherals and a very custom Operating System.  You can run windows/linux on a console if you want.  In fact, the US military runs a "supercomputer" made up of hundreds of XBOXs running in parallel.  Why would they do that? Lets discuss point #1.

#1: Consoles cost less than PCs only because consoles run outdated PC hardware and are sold at cost or a loss to the manufacturer.  There is no profit in selling consoles, they make their money selling the games.  Its like when a phone company gives you a "free" phone to get you to sign up for a long term contract.  The cost of the hardware is hidden in the price of the contract, or in the case of console in the price of the games you buy for it.    

Today you can buy (or get free with your contract) netbooks, smartphones and tablets that are getting close to rivaling the current generation consoles in computing power.

2&3: These are the main reasons PC users hate consoles.  They limit game development to what consoles can handle.

4: Every time console gamers are pitted against PC gamers in FPS games, the PC users wipe the floor with the console gamers.  Mouse and keyboard is too much of a controller advantage for even "pro" console gamers to overcome.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:11 PM

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2&3: These are the main reasons PC users hate consoles.  They limit game development to what consoles can handle.

High end custom built Gaming PC ~$900
Xbox 360 250gb(2 free games)- $250
PS3- $270-$300

Exactly, If consoles didnt make exclusives thered be a lot less reason in buying one. And its good they limit game development to what consoles can handle, whats the point in making a super awesome game with awesome graphics if no current gen console can handle it?

Console graphics may not be up to par with PC graphics, but as long as they look great on my HDTV and Frames per second is high then im happy

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:14 PM

I'm done with consoles until there's virtual reality, just hope it's not like 100 years from now.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:39 AM

Granted I only care about the ps4, but between it and the next xbox it is supposed to beat it nicely hardware-wise and there are a lot of leaks out now about supposed specs for the dev kit:
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There's also supposed to be a new controller design with a rear touch pad like the vita. What is a ball park price for these specs?

Edited by lazykoala, 25 January 2013 - 01:52 AM.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:56 AM

View Postlazykoala, on 25 January 2013 - 01:39 AM, said:

There's also supposed to be a new controller design with a rear touch pad like the vita. What is a ball park price for these specs?
Since when do specs have anything to do with price? I'm guessing they will sell it for... $399-499... depending on configuration. Probably a $599+ "premium" package as well. The other console whichever it is will probably land about $50 cheaper regardless of the price (depends on who release first). More than that and people would complain its too expensive, cheaper than that and it'll cost about as much as a current console (cant have that!).

Anyway, the only real interesting thing I want find out wiht the consoles is if they have Crossfire (ie Fusion style). Because that can only mean good things for the PC - chance to see even better multi-card tech and better support for profiles.

Edited by dawdler, 25 January 2013 - 11:03 AM.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:07 PM

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:27 PM

No more 'HD' remakes. It's just lazy money-grabbing design. I mean, most of the games they're remaking came out about 7-8 years ago. The games that do need remaking came out in the 70s and 80s, but oh no... we shouldn't even dare to think about those!

As for the actual hardware... well, Microsoft won for me last time. They just have a much better online service and friend system than anything else out there at the moment. Nintendo have Mario and Zelda... but honestly, it's only nostalgia that takes me back to them. Playstation has some really awesome games as well, but again, they're lacking in the online features.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:39 PM

View PostRobsy128, on 25 January 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

No more 'HD' remakes. It's just lazy money-grabbing design. I mean, most of the games they're remaking came out about 7-8 years ago. The games that do need remaking came out in the 70s and 80s, but oh no... we shouldn't even dare to think about those!

As for the actual hardware... well, Microsoft won for me last time. They just have a much better online service and friend system than anything else out there at the moment. Nintendo have Mario and Zelda... but honestly, it's only nostalgia that takes me back to them. Playstation has some really awesome games as well, but again, they're lacking in the online features.

But you need to pay for online xbox.. :/
That's why PS3 always wins for me tbh.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:42 PM

I like novelty and change, so I look for that now in a new console. As such I really like how the console war is shaping up. Sure I want better graphics and more power, but PC gaming is already doing that better than consoles anyways so don't stop there. Bring me new stuff that hasn't been exploited yet. Innovate. Imagine. Think outside the box. Stuff like kinect and wiiu are steps in the right direction imo. I want next gen consoles to be Interesting in a way PC can't be (though that could change quickly, read below). Otherwise I'll stick with my trusted PC and it's great librairy of cheap steam games. I also want them to be affordable and flexible.

Oh and I hope virtual reality is the next big thing (totally getting an Occulus Rift when the consumer version comes out).

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:14 PM

View PostRobsy128, on 25 January 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

No more 'HD' remakes. It's just lazy money-grabbing design. I mean, most of the games they're remaking came out about 7-8 years ago. The games that do need remaking came out in the 70s and 80s, but oh no... we shouldn't even dare to think about those!

As for the actual hardware... well, Microsoft won for me last time. They just have a much better online service and friend system than anything else out there at the moment. Nintendo have Mario and Zelda... but honestly, it's only nostalgia that takes me back to them. Playstation has some really awesome games as well, but again, they're lacking in the online features.
the only thing Microsoft did better was cross game chat, other than that nothing really imo.

Better exclusive ps3. Better hardware that had a lower chance of failure ps3. Free online service for all ps3. Paid online service ps3. It cost less overall for a ps3 than a 360.

Here is to hoping genkai can be incorporated into ps4.

Edited by Specialz, 25 January 2013 - 09:15 PM.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:26 PM

I would hate having to pay for online service for things like multiplayer that should be free and would simply not do it. Hardware-wise the ps4 is supposed to surpass the 720. As far as I'm concerned Nintendo isn't even in the picture as the only reason to consider their console is for the marios, zeldas, etc... and the past few iterations haven't been that great anyway. Nintendo depends too much on its core games that have been around for decades to keep consumers coming back to buy a new version of the same game every year. Xbox only has gears and halo exclusives to my knowledge, whereas playstation has way more cool exclusives like twisted metal, final fantasy, metal gear, gran turismo, etc... Sony will improve the PS network next gen, or at least that is the rumor.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:47 PM

1080p boobs with teselation and 3D effects.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:55 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 25 January 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

But you need to pay for online xbox.. :/
That's why PS3 always wins for me tbh.

I know... I'm not fond of it either, but I pay for it anyway simply because it's so good. I can hop in and out of my games easily, talk to my friends no matter what they're playing and easily send messages. The PS3 has a load of menus and just shows you what your friends are playing with minimal interaction available. And the Wii? It just connects to the Internet.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:14 AM

In fact, I wouldn't like further investment in the graphics part. Looking at games like The Last of Us you can already tell that graphics are incredibly advanced.

What we need (what I would like) is improved / innovative gameplay (not really in the Wii style) and MUCH better writing / storyline. Sometimes I need substance behind the explosions and demon-slaying, and as a writer myself, I have to admit that game plots aren't as impressive / interesting as they should

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:39 PM

I don't know where the mods are who look at this forum, but hey, I'll just say this for them:

Please read the title:
"What do people want in next gen consoles?"


Now can we get back on topic, please? This is not the place to have a console vs PC war.

Edited by Robsy128, 26 January 2013 - 06:40 PM.


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:32 PM

View PostRobsy128, on 26 January 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

I don't know where the mods are who look at this forum, but hey, I'll just say this for them:

Please read the title:
"What do people want in next gen consoles?"


Now can we get back on topic, please? This is not the place to have a console vs PC war.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:35 PM

I actually want them to come out later rather than sooner.

Here's the deal, the drive for better graphics is killing gameplay and driving up the cost of new IPs (meaning there's fewer of them).  A lot of the neat newer ideas that are coming out are tending to be indie games that don't really need the power of a current console, much less a newer one.  Take minecraft, it can probably play pretty comfortably on an older PC yet it was one of the more innovative games to come out.  Likewise some franchises are in danger of being branded to death (oversatutation is bad).

So basically I want the big 3 to what awhile and help the dev studios to come up with cheaper and better ways of delevering the cutting edge graphics.  Make the new systems development friendly too.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:51 PM

View PostWinterclaw, on 26 January 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

I actually want them to come out later rather than sooner.

Here's the deal, the drive for better graphics is killing gameplay and driving up the cost of new IPs (meaning there's fewer of them).  A lot of the neat newer ideas that are coming out are tending to be indie games that don't really need the power of a current console, much less a newer one.  Take minecraft, it can probably play pretty comfortably on an older PC yet it was one of the more innovative games to come out.  Likewise some franchises are in danger of being branded to death (oversatutation is bad).

So basically I want the big 3 to what awhile and help the dev studios to come up with cheaper and better ways of delevering the cutting edge graphics.  Make the new systems development friendly too.

If I had a ps3 I would say the same thing but since I don't...I want the ps4 now and I think the general consensus is those who have a console don't mind waiting, while those who skipped this generation and missed out on a ton of great games want next gen sooner. I had been thinking of buying a ps3 the last 1-2 years, but it never dropped to a price point that I thought was a great value so instead I'll just wait for the ps4. It always annoyed me that the 360 dropped as low as $100, but the ps3 never got below $250-$300. I think since next gen is supposed to contain more "PC oriented" hardware this time, then they will be more development friendly and PC ported games will be a heck of a lot better too which is good news for all PC gamers.

Edited by lazykoala, 26 January 2013 - 11:52 PM.


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:01 AM

Quality software; less exclusives; more of a shift to PC/ValveBox

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:38 AM

View Postlazykoala, on 26 January 2013 - 11:51 PM, said:

If I had a ps3 I would say the same thing but since I don't...I want the ps4 now and I think the general consensus is those who have a console don't mind waiting, while those who skipped this generation and missed out on a ton of great games want next gen sooner. I had been thinking of buying a ps3 the last 1-2 years, but it never dropped to a price point that I thought was a great value so instead I'll just wait for the ps4.

I can see where you are coming from.  Every gen has its gems, unless you are a final fantasy fan, that series has its best games behind it.  Just don't expect backwards compatibility.  The PS3 dropped it after the early models (now you have to buy older games online which is okay but limits your options) and the 360 only has limited support.

As much as I'd love the PS4 to be out, since I have a PS3, I want it to stay relevant as long as possible ;) and I my biggest concern is that there just isn't the process to support quality titles being made for them in a cost efficient way.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:16 AM

This might sound a little mean but I actually want a market crash for consoles so that that will force both developers and players to stop focusing on graphics and more on interesting gameplay mechanics. Very few games ever deviate or stand out from the genre standards.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:44 AM

You could argue that a market crash would just force the big publishers to retreat to their surefire hits and kill any chance of an indie game being made.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 07:04 PM

After thinking about it, I think consoles are needed solely for the fact that during their initial release it give an opportunity for new IPs to be created. Actually, if you were to believe Ubisoft, it is probably the only time where gamers welcomed new IPs without prejudice.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:17 PM

View PostLord Sojar, on 28 November 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

I should also add that the next gen consoles really need to support 4K resolutions (and getting at least 45fps doing so)
Hmm.

I'd love that to be true, but it opens up the whole "does the home market actually need 4K" argument. Do I need 4K? Sure, if I can convert an entire wall of my apartment into an oled screen. 4k on a 50" LCD? Why?

It's not like Sony and Microsoft have actually mastered the use of 1080p yet, is it? And Nintendo (yeah, I know) have only just entered that arena. But Windwaker HD, so that's ok.

In a nutshell - 4K on a home tv makes as much sense as 1080p on an iPhone.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:19 PM

I think sony ps4 will have 4k support, based on rumors. But who really needs 4k, what does it add that benefits the game in a positive manner?

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:34 AM

View PostSpecialz, on 15 February 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

I think sony ps4 will have 4k support, based on rumors. But who really needs 4k, what does it add that benefits the game in a positive manner?

We're looking at another 10+ year console cycle right? People might start caring in a decade. (Not that there's necessarily the power in the consoles to support complex rending at that resolution, but anyway.)




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