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#31 Fenice_86

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 01:35 PM

Got the same problem... mouse wheel click seems to be the best...
Hell too low key bindable abilities in this game

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 01:37 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 28 November 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

And it lags, and you need to stop moving for a second and you can't smoothly in a opposite direction while moving,...

uh no?

Double tapping is much faster and more controllable then having to press any other button plus a movement. If you cant control with camera angles then practice a bit more. There are some nuances with how dodging works at different camera angles and repetitive dodging in an offset camera angle, but if your reason for not double tapping is that you stop moving for a second then either you or your keyboard settings are to slow/low.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 01:38 PM

Use double tap. U don't have to stop moving at all. I always double tap A or double tap D, while having pressed W. If u want to dodge left or right remove finger from W, if u wanna dodge in front keep finger on W while double tapping eather A or D. Double tap S for when u wanna dodge behind.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:21 PM

View PostLeriel, on 28 November 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

Using wasd for movement i would need to use second hand to press it :) Thanks for the suggestion though
No, I mean using right shift for the chat linking you mentioned.

I use left ctrl to dodge, I too had dodge issues whenever I want to ie: enable/disable auto attack.
So I just use right-ctrl left click instead.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:29 PM

I once dodge rolled off the Vizer's tower.

I have a bad habit of forgetting to hit enter before typing in chat. . .

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:32 PM

I double tap, but that works for me. I've been doing it in games forever and I have become very skilled at it.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:42 PM

I just use spacebar to dodge, witcher 2 style :P
(V underwater and MM3 is jump)

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:47 PM

I still use double tap for dodging. Never dodged off a jumping puzzle/vista so far.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:48 PM

Bound dodge to Q and E, moved Strafes to A and D, don't need turn keys since I use mouse for that.  You don't need Q and E, just one will do, but I did it anyways since otherwise one wouldn't get used.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:54 PM

View PostShamz, on 28 November 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

Sounds like a great way to fall in a jumping puzzle.

Yes, it is.
So bound it on some key.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:55 PM

View PostTrei, on 28 November 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

No, I mean using right shift for the chat linking you mentioned.

I use left ctrl to dodge, I too had dodge issues whenever I want to ie: enable/disable auto attack.
So I just use right-ctrl left click instead.
Oh i see, that's very reasonable, thanks :)

View PostTGIFrisbie, on 28 November 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Bound dodge to Q and E, moved Strafes to A and D, don't need turn keys since I use mouse for that.  You don't need Q and E, just one will do, but I did it anyways since otherwise one wouldn't get used.
What keys do you use to fire skills 5, heal etc? I use Q for 5 and E for heal.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:56 PM

View PostCoren, on 28 November 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

I use one of my 2 side buttons to dodge. The other side button is to pick up/talk
I use the first for my first skill, and my second for my elite...  I just can't reach the 0 with my left hand...

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:59 PM

View PostLeriel, on 28 November 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

What keys do you use to fire skills 5, heal etc? I use Q for 5 and E for heal.

I use 5 and 6 for 5 and 6.  If it was that much trouble I would just use my razer game pad, but I prefer not to do that.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:22 PM

View PostLady Rhonwyn, on 28 November 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:


I use the first for my first skill, and my second for my elite...  I just can't reach the 0 with my left hand...

May I suggest an alternative?

I use shift+1 for healing skill
Shift+2-3-4 for utilities
Shift 5 for elite

Alt1-2-3-4 for the functions skills.

Been paying PvE, sPvP with my engineer and everything is real quick. And engineers are amongst the most variable in terms of function skills.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:23 PM

View Postraspberry jam, on 28 November 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

Ah, you misunderstood me. What I meant was that there are mechanical switches that are good for gaming, but that they generally suck for typing, and vice versa. Meanwhile, membrane keyboards cost $5 and are decent for both things. I actually use a mechanical keyboard (Steelseries g6v2) myself, since my 10 years old IBM membrane keyboard ironically enough broke (not the keyboard itself, but the plug broke when I moved around my PC). But it is annoying to type on.

Ah, ok, you were referring to the black/blue cherry switch diatribe. :)

Well, to be honest, my Filco is a blue-switches one, and they're advertised as "best for typing", and indeed they are. I just don't get the part when they say that they're not the best for gaming: honestly, I used the keyboard for a lot of games, including GW2, and I don't have a single problem with it. I see that your keyboard has the black switches, did you ever try the blue ones?

Regarding double tap for dodge: I am in all honesty curious about how you can seriously play, especially in PvP, with the double tap dodge - I used it, and the fact that, when moving in a specific direction AND I wanted to dodge in that direction, the character stops from a little time before dodging is, to me, a liability. About using mouse buttons, I use the M4 key as the shift, the 7-9 utilities are bound to S+1/3, the heal is bound to the mouse wheel left and the elite to the mouse wheel right (on a G9X mouse). I mainly play thief though, so I just need F1 as the special ability (bound to M5), and Q to switch sets and E/R to call/get target.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:23 PM

Logitech MMO mouse for skills
middle-click for dodge

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:33 PM

View PostCoren, on 28 November 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

May I suggest an alternative?

I use shift+1 for healing skill
Shift+2-3-4 for utilities
Shift 5 for elite

Alt1-2-3-4 for the functions skills.

Been paying PvE, sPvP with my engineer and everything is real quick. And engineers are amongst the most variable in terms of function skills.

Hmm, should try that...  But I like my elite on my first mouse button too :P

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:57 PM

View PostVysander, on 28 November 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

uh no?

Double tapping is much faster and more controllable then having to press any other button plus a movement. If you cant control with camera angles then practice a bit more. There are some nuances with how dodging works at different camera angles and repetitive dodging in an offset camera angle, but if your reason for not double tapping is that you stop moving for a second then either you or your keyboard settings are to slow/low.

Eehm how is losing a split second on your movement twice for double tapping faster than pressing a other key once without needing to lose your movement key???
If you can't handle pressing shift/capslock while moving doesn't mean other people can't..
I used double tap in the BWE's and first week of play, then I discovered that for tPvP doubletap was clearly suboptimal, so I changed.

btw the only buttons I use on my keyboard are WASD, shift for dodge, space for jump and F for various things.
All skills/professions specific stuff is on my mouse..

Edited by Gilles VI, 28 November 2012 - 03:58 PM.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:28 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 28 November 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

Eehm how is losing a split second on your movement twice for double tapping faster than pressing a other key once without needing to lose your movement key???
If you can't handle pressing shift/capslock while moving doesn't mean other people can't..
I used double tap in the BWE's and first week of play, then I discovered that for tPvP doubletap was clearly suboptimal, so I changed.

btw the only buttons I use on my keyboard are WASD, shift for dodge, space for jump and F for various things.
All skills/professions specific stuff is on my mouse..

And im saying you need to adjust your repeat rate if your losing time on double tapping.

And congrats on only using WASD? not sure why you added that bit... I've got a naga and use it for some of the extra buttons, but its more comfortable to use the gamepad on my steelseries.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:35 PM

View PostGalandil, on 28 November 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

Ah, ok, you were referring to the black/blue cherry switch diatribe. :)

Well, to be honest, my Filco is a blue-switches one, and they're advertised as "best for typing", and indeed they are. I just don't get the part when they say that they're not the best for gaming: honestly, I used the keyboard for a lot of games, including GW2, and I don't have a single problem with it. I see that your keyboard has the black switches, did you ever try the blue ones?

Regarding double tap for dodge: I am in all honesty curious about how you can seriously play, especially in PvP, with the double tap dodge - I used it, and the fact that, when moving in a specific direction AND I wanted to dodge in that direction, the character stops from a little time before dodging is, to me, a liability. About using mouse buttons, I use the M4 key as the shift, the 7-9 utilities are bound to S+1/3, the heal is bound to the mouse wheel left and the elite to the mouse wheel right (on a G9X mouse). I mainly play thief though, so I just need F1 as the special ability (bound to M5), and Q to switch sets and E/R to call/get target.
Mmm... Blue is the noise ones right? I mean, the softish click ones with tolerable noise levels, not the old IBM style CLACK-TICK ones, I remember having a keyboard like that (IBM buckling spring keyboard) and I couldn't type at night because I'd keep my roommate (who actually slept in a different room) awake. I have used them (blue), not for a longer while though. Decent, but I don't see any major advantage over membrane keys. See that's the thing: apart from typing on my g6v2 (and the mentioned sound from buckling spring keyboards lol), I don't have problems doing either typing or gaming with any keyboard.

Oh, yeah, sorry: on topic: double tap to dodge sounds very impractical.

Edited by raspberry jam, 28 November 2012 - 04:37 PM.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:39 PM

I use shift for dodge, plus q for util 7, e for util 8, c for util 9, and v for elite

It's pretty rocking

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:51 PM

I got rid of forward (W) and backward (S) keys and put them as dodge (W) and jump (S). I use the mouse keys (hold left click + right click) to move forward. I don't ever use backwards, I just use dodge if I wanna back up.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:25 PM

View PostVysander, on 28 November 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

And im saying you need to adjust your repeat rate if your losing time on double tapping.

And congrats on only using WASD? not sure why you added that bit... I've got a naga and use it for some of the extra buttons, but its more comfortable to use the gamepad on my steelseries.

Whatever your repeat time is..
I can't see how you think, letting go - pressing - letting go - pressing is faster than just press shift?

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 06:57 PM

View PostShamz, on 28 November 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

Sounds like a great way to fall in a jumping puzzle.

View PostGilles VI, on 28 November 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

And it lags, and you need to stop moving for a second and you can't smoothly in a opposite direction while moving,...

Whooooosh!!!

Rule #2 is from Zombieland. I liked the reference.

View PostGalandil, on 28 November 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

Huh? Mechanical keyboards have all switches as actuators. The force needed to press the keys is lower than any membrane keyboard, so they're less "fatiguing", and you get the tactical (at least) feedback when you press a key (I switched from a G510 Logitech keyboard, and many times I didn't get the tact. feedback when pressing a key).

I spend a lot of time at the pc not only for gaming, but for work, I type a lot and since I got the Filco, I am effectively less fatigued even after long sessions of typing.

And I've to disagree about the "mech. keyboards suck for gaming", I play better on the Filco than I was on the G510 or the Nostromo. Of course, there's an ergonomic argument, which is different for every player/hand (dimension of the palm, finger length, etc.), but I generally prefer a slight higher key height and less actuation force needed even when playing. :)

Depends on the type of switch in your mechanical keyboard. They require less force to actuate, but because for some switches there is no tactile feedback, you end up "bottoming-out" your keystrokes. Good for gaming, not good for typing.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:24 PM

View PostThe_Tree_Branch, on 28 November 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Depends on the type of switch in your mechanical keyboard. They require less force to actuate, but because for some switches there is no tactile feedback, you end up "bottoming-out" your keystrokes. Good for gaming, not good for typing.

Infact Raspberry has a keyboard with black switches, which provide no tactical or acoustical feedback at all. For typing, brown (only tactile feedback) or blue (tactical and acoustic feedback) switches are better. I'm still not convinced, though, that black switches are better for gaming thou. Generally speaking, ofc.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:40 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 28 November 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

Whatever your repeat time is..
I can't see how you think, letting go - pressing - letting go - pressing is faster than just press shift?

more convenient really. and an argument could be made that the travel time to hit shift=time to double tap. depending on setup.

Its really more personal preference. I know what you mean about the stutter, it was happening when i first started playing, but by adjusting repeat time and i guess just doing it alot removed any kind of delay.

Edited by Vysander, 28 November 2012 - 07:42 PM.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:32 PM

View PostGalandil, on 28 November 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

Infact Raspberry has a keyboard with black switches, which provide no tactical or acoustical feedback at all. For typing, brown (only tactile feedback) or blue (tactical and acoustic feedback) switches are better. I'm still not convinced, though, that black switches are better for gaming thou. Generally speaking, ofc.

I personally use Cherry red's (same design as black but less resistance). I've really liked it, but it really depends on the type of game as to whether or not it helps (MOBA, FPS, etc.)

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:45 PM

View PostVysander, on 28 November 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

more convenient really. and an argument could be made that the travel time to hit shift=time to double tap. depending on setup.

Its really more personal preference. I know what you mean about the stutter, it was happening when i first started playing, but by adjusting repeat time and i guess just doing it alot removed any kind of delay.

My pink is always hovering over the shift button so there is not really a "travel-time".
But yea I guess it all comes down to personal perference.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:49 PM

View PostThe_Tree_Branch, on 28 November 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

I personally use Cherry red's (same design as black but less resistance).
That would be good... The less resistance part...

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:50 PM

Hmm I have no problem with V as my dodge. I can strafe left and right and dodge fine. Mainly because I use my middle finger on d and ring finger on a. Also doing jump dodges with v is especially easy since I can use my thumb to press spacebar + v at the same time. Different with everyone I guess.




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