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[typographie]

DuskWolf, on 29 November 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

Ah yes! The statement that's so original it has to be marched out in every thread I talk in.

It seems unoriginal and keeps coming up because its a completely valid point to make and gets no satisfactory answer. For someone so hateful of the game, someone who apparently doesn't even play the game, you spend a ludicrous amount of your time typing about it on one of its largest fansites. Whatever your reasons, try to look at this objectively for a moment: you must admit that begs a lot of extremely fair questions.

As to your "walled garden" argument, I think I see the opposite happening here if anything: All of the complaining about the issues you talk about seems more or less tucked away (or at least overwhelmingly concentrated) inside of this echo chamber that Tyrian Assembly has become. Given such an environment, I can hardly blame you for thinking that "more and more people" agree with your way of thinking. If this is all you read, I'm not surprised.

If you're right and this game is indeed a collapsing vortex of awfulness and hypocrisy, what good are you doing? If the developers are really as bad as you suggest, why would they bother to look up your "constructive criticism" in Guru's archives? The more likely it is that you're right, the more likely it is that you're just wasting your time.

[Featherman]

As with any MMO there are methods in this game, both intended and possibly unintended, that allow you churn out a decent amount of gold per hour. These methods are more than enough to cover basic costs such as waypoints and exotic gear (won't make waypoints less annoying however). The problem, as mentioned by Briar, is that the ease of access to money makes valuable luxury items even more expensive and their prices, as displayed on the TP, become more daunting to players unaware of money-making methods or those not used to the shifts in the market causes by these methods.

Fancy Fool, on 29 November 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

@Duskwolf.
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I applaud you for actually reading into his poisonous walls-o-text and dissecting them. The abundance of fallacies, disingenuous appeals, and toxicity to others in his diatribes are enough to test your mental stamina the first time around.

[Wintermute]

DuskWolf, on 29 November 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

Because the way ArenaNet handles money in this game is broken. They're stingy and only allow the tiniest trickle of money into the game, and they tax what little mone you get. The game has been forced into a deflationary spiral, devaluing everything except prices which ArenaNet controls. This is to drive people to the gem store to buy gems to convert to gold.

Looking at the TP, I see that the price of virtually any "in demand" item has been steadily going up for the past month, more or less.  Gems spiked around the holiday event, then went back down, and now are steadily climbing in price again.  Dyes have steadily been increasing, rares and exotics getting more expensive, etc.

This is pretty much the opposite of deflationary.  In fact, the economy appears to be inflating at a slow but steady pace, as more people max out and have fewer gold sinks to worry about.

In any case, if you don't enjoy the game then you don't enjoy the game, but if you're going to use economic terms then at least use the correct ones or apply them correctly.

[blindude]

You know there are people that go and like duskwolfs posts even when they contain many obvious examples of fallacies and inconsistency such as Fancy Fool had the courage to point out.
But then again if you notice they are the same ones every *ing time..so i guess its statistically normal that with every big enough sample you get to meet people on the "weird" personality side.

So guys relax its perfectly normal..Where i live every big village has its crazy man!Its a mascot .

Edited by blindude, 30 November 2012 - 12:49 AM.

[NumNumPie]

Professor Chaos, on 29 November 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Pot, meet kettle.

I love it when people make comments like the above on a mmo online forum.  Seriously, you feel cool enough to make fun of someone else for playing GW2 alot, when you spend your free time in an online forum trolling people?

So very very wrong, and completely missed the point. Wolf's post is full of anger and resentment. There's nothing to discuss about it. As Fancy Fool already broke down his post, I won't bother.

My post telling him to get a job, etc, etc, was so that maybe he won't be so bitter over ANet's handling of GW2. Because from his post, he makes it seem like it's his life and ANet is playing a bully. Or the mean kid who takes his lunch money.

[DuskWolf]

As usual, the faithfuls continue to shame themselves. I mean... really. I've presented countless arguments against vertical progression and exploitative and predatorial business models, and the very best you have to offer is to engage in character assassination over how I have a lot to say?

I've said it before, but I'll say it again: It's shameful.

No wonder there are so many faithfuls who'll roll over and take any poor treatment that's doled out to them. It's simply because they don't have the shame, the pride, or the self respect to know better. I haven't told anyone to get a job, nor have I made fun of anyone for 'playing too much.' But lo, the shameful community resorts to the scraping the barrel. You faithful types really do represent the lowest common denominator. What kind of crazed, rabid witch-hunt will you mount next?

Enthrall me with your low-brow insults. Please. And show me that you're not capable of attacking any of the arguments I've made about exploitative business models and the damage done by vertical progression head on. If anything, this does nothing more than make me feel glad that I left this dull game and overly defensive, desperate community behind.

Edited by DuskWolf, 30 November 2012 - 04:08 AM.

[JStereo]

Scrimmer, on 29 November 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

tl;dr I'm broke as hell

There are multiple ways to make money, but you first have to look at what you're currently spending coin on. Once I finished my crafting professions (well, 2 to go anyway, taking a break on that gold sink.) I noticed that I wasn't so broke anymore. I run 0 MF, usually forget or don't bother to buy foods like omnom or peach bars, and rarely, if ever step foot in Orr.

What I do is pretty much run dungeons, and a good run will see you at or around 1G before even selling the drops. YOU DO NOT NEED TO SPEND A DIME IN THE CASH SHOP ​(sorry for the caps and bold but I really want to emphasize this.) Selling all the blues and greens will net a good bit of silver, and the rares are currently selling for 20ish gold a pop (mystic forge gamblers and ecto collectors are buying these up like crazy.) I don't usually get rares but when I do they really cap a run off. This is not the fastest or most effective way to make coin, but it is the safest and most reliable, I find. It took some time but I have 5/6 cultural T3 armor peices on my Thief from strictly dungeon running. They've really increased the amount of coin you get from them recently.

Also, as potentially rewarding as gambling can be, you're more likely to lose than win. Also ask yourself what it is that you really want. If you just want a set of exotics they really aren't that hard to get. If you want the nice stuff like the cool skins and legendary weapons you have to ask yourself if you're willing to put the time and effort into getting them, they aren't needed to experience the content. Good luck and have fun ( and if you're not having fun, then find something to do that is fun   )

PS - I'm reserving judgement for ascended gear until they actually put it in the game.

[NumNumPie]

DuskWolf, on 30 November 2012 - 04:05 AM, said:

glad that I left this dull game and overly defensive, desperate community behind.

But you're still here.

[Featherman]

NumNumPie, on 30 November 2012 - 05:37 AM, said:

But you're still here.

Us cute little sheeple mean that much to him!

[Fernling306]

NumNumPie, on 30 November 2012 - 05:37 AM, said:

But you're still here.

I am still browsing the forums, yet I don't log into the game anymore. The developers decisions, coupled with the fans responses are simply intriguing. So intriguing in fact, that I would rather talk/read about the game than actually play it.

[Nox_Aeterna]

Jason Seven, on 29 November 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

Why it's hard for people to make money? Because they have certain rules they strictly abide in fear of the great ArenaNet who could ban them. If you ever want a constant flow of cash you'll either have to break these rules or acquire knowledge on how to best exploit and manipulate your fellow, less fortunate players through the market. Sure, you might now say you'll never do this and keep on farming and working like the good and lawful person you are but one day you'll realize that you cannot keep up with those who have no rules and those who no longer care about others well-being due to their greed. Should you ever choose to do the former like myself then at least be smart about it. It's certainly not in your favor using a bot program to farm mobs or use certain tools in crowded areas where you're easily spot like all these other third class gold farmers. 30g per hour was very possible up until recently and you could even automate the entire process. All with just the aid of a few programs and a bugged server. Such a shame they fixed this method. If you for some reason don't believe me, just ask players on Vabbi or Gandara, especially the latter. Entire guilds used this one method there, freely discussing it in their guild chats. It's not even funny just how many did. Keep in mind, this was just one small example of an almost infinite number. The ones to strictly obey arbitrary rules and restrictions are the ones who end up getting the short end of the stick. That being said, I don't endorse cheating or exploiting in any way, though. It's all up to everyone themselves whether they do this or not.

I agree , some people are foolish to a fault.

I exploited this game every single day of this week. Really just make the exploit stay not know , and that is it.

Anet is still not fixing it , guess they dont know or they are ignoring for now , considering how easy is the one im doing ... i bet they still dont know.

Honestly , im on the nothing to lose state already , so i do cause it save me time and that is it.

If i find more exploits not so obvious will also use them. My problem is ... i dont know any gold exploits ugh.

[Dasryn]

DuskWolf, on 30 November 2012 - 04:05 AM, said:

As usual, the faithfuls continue to shame themselves. I mean... really. I've presented countless arguments against vertical progression and exploitative and predatorial business models, and the very best you have to offer is to engage in character assassination over how I have a lot to say?

I've said it before, but I'll say it again: It's shameful.

No wonder there are so many faithfuls who'll roll over and take any poor treatment that's doled out to them. It's simply because they don't have the shame, the pride, or the self respect to know better. I haven't told anyone to get a job, nor have I made fun of anyone for 'playing too much.' But lo, the shameful community resorts to the scraping the barrel. You faithful types really do represent the lowest common denominator. What kind of crazed, rabid witch-hunt will you mount next?

Enthrall me with your low-brow insults. Please. And show me that you're not capable of attacking any of the arguments I've made about exploitative business models and the damage done by vertical progression head on. If anything, this does nothing more than make me feel glad that I left this dull game and overly defensive, desperate community behind.

dusk. . . again, so negative yet cant seem to leave the forums, you took the first step, thats to not even play the game anymore, but you just cant quit the forums can you?

but seriously, youve GOT to understand that ANet is a business right?  GW2 was an ambitious endeavor, it costs money to develop content.  the business model they used in GW1 does not apply to GW2 it cant.  GW2 is a totally different beast, catering to a crowd that is unforgiving an hard to please.

just two weeks ago there were threads galore on here about lack of content at 80, sooooo many people whining about how there is NOTHING to do at 80, you remember dont you?  i think you were one of them.

then FotM launched. . . and suddenly. . . all those threads are gone for the most part.  you guys got your carrot on a stick.  but now its "ANet went against their manifesto!!!"

i think what people like you are doing, is backing ANet into a position where its, damned if you do, damned if you dont,  so you know what they are going to do? they are going to develop content that is going to get people playing again and cater to that crowd that is going to sink money into their cash shop.

its not personal, its business.  its simple business.  they dont charge a sub, other than getting bank slots, there is nothing that you really need to be spending in the cash shop prior to 80, so where do they get your money?  when do you want them to get your money?  because they need your money.  

ANet doesnt run off of love and kittens.  just be glad you still have the option to not spend money.

Edited by Rickter, 30 November 2012 - 08:07 AM.

[Sheepski]

TGIFrisbie, on 29 November 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

Same boat.  It's like GW1 after all the solo farming nerfs.  That's when I left GW1, just before EotN.  Nightfall was a joke with mob placements in world content and their serious attempts (Anet) to ensure you couldn't solo jackcrap (solo, as in 1vall, not +heros).

So yeah, along with the 180 on their manifesto and the grind tedium that would not be part of GW2, I am waiting on another game and picking at this one like a scab that won't heal.

Hmm well I still had fun after EoTN even if it was with the meta farming builds, like shadowform or the 600/smite builds but enjoyed solo farming bosses, mobs for event drops etc, was really good... but yeah once they'd stopped them, then my fun drastically dropped, guess it's the same kinda feeling here too...

[Arquenya]

Wintermute, on 30 November 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

Looking at the TP, I see that the price of virtually any "in demand" item has been steadily going up for the past month, more or less.  Gems spiked around the holiday event, then went back down, and now are steadily climbing in price again.  Dyes have steadily been increasing, rares and exotics getting more expensive, etc.

This is pretty much the opposite of deflationary.  In fact, the economy appears to be inflating at a slow but steady pace, as more people max out and have fewer gold sinks to worry about.

In any case, if you don't enjoy the game then you don't enjoy the game, but if you're going to use economic terms then at least use the correct ones or apply them correctly.

It happens in games all the time. As people have their max stat gear and more and more gold and find more and more efficient ways to acquire it. As people have more money, sellers can also ask a bit more for their products as people can afford to pay higher prices.

So yes in a way it's inflation, but as your gold income also increases, it may or not be that what you can buy roughly stays the same. As bit like you earn 200% of what you did previously - but expenses also have doubled.

[Arquenya]

Rickter, on 30 November 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

but seriously, youve GOT to understand that ANet is a business right?  GW2 was an ambitious endeavor, it costs money to develop content.  the business model they used in GW1 does not apply to GW2 it cant.  GW2 is a totally different beast, catering to a crowd that is unforgiving an hard to please.

But that's what ANet chose it to be. They could have catered former GW players plus a number of new players perfectly. Now they're trying to cater everyone, making 180 degree turns and alienating their previous GW playerbase in the process. It's that simple.

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just two weeks ago there were threads galore on here about lack of content at 80, sooooo many people whining about how there is NOTHING to do at 80, you remember dont you?  i think you were one of them.

then FotM launched. . . and suddenly. . . all those threads are gone for the most part.  you guys got your carrot on a stick.  but now its "ANet went against their manifesto!!!"

That doesn't exclude one another. You can want more content - but within certain requirements. I don't see people complaining about the fact that it's lvl80 content but about vertical gear progression. Which is a totally different thing.

A bit like your garage changing the tyres of your car but putting square pink ones instead of black round ones under it. And then you say "hey last week you complained about worn tyres and now about pink and square tyres, whiners!"

Edited by Arquenya, 30 November 2012 - 09:55 AM.

[Chabby]

I've been farming Arah path 3, Barracudas, Karkas, Orr, dungeons overall, selling mats for a week now. I have around 30 gold, full magic find set for 125% with omnom bars. It asked me to do only farming, selling everything I got (Armored scales for example), and focus on this only... And I've not always been lucky with loots, it was mostly soso (lot of blue and green).

Getting gold isn't 'hard', it's long and sometime tedious. As a casual player, I only have 2-3 hours per day to give to the game and I feel like it's taking forever to make something like 10 gold... And everything around 80 is expensive. Need an exotic weapon? 1-2 gold. An armor set? 3 gold per piece. Want a dungeon set? Run it more than 10 times for 1000+ tokens. Want an ascended? Either get your butt to level 10 in Fractals OR pay 35 gold (approx) for a bunch of ectos/T6 in the mystic forge. I'm also having a hard time getting people for FotM lvl 3, last time I tried 3 people logged off at the Dredge fractal final boss, it turns off (and I'm starting to dislike the Dredge/Swamp/Ascalon fractals for what they are, which doesn't help lol)

I don't want to farm for the rest of my life to get anything. That's not to say I don't want to work, but doing dungeon more than 10 times  and killing monsters/risens for hours to get a bunch of silver/gold to pay something, it's a bit crazy and boring in the end. Plus, I don't always have the time in front of me for a dungeon run... So what's left? Farming barracuda lol.

Edited by Chabby, 30 November 2012 - 03:08 PM.

[Silvercat18]

I knew things were getting bad when i realised that farming orichalcum was no longer worth the effort.

It seems that the only things worth getting are ectos and the means to get those are limited. I`m playing around with farming snow trolls for the blood drops, but even that is very random.

[sevalaricgirl]

I worked for a few hours in Orr and came out with 7g worth of stuff to break down.  I think that's pretty good for having fun.

[Shizu]

DuskWolf, on 30 November 2012 - 04:05 AM, said:

massive ego-trips

I'm starting to really dislike this game, for various reasons I'm not going to explain here.

Do you know what I'm doing before I quit? I send ANet in-game reports, telling them how much they suck at doing videogames, in my opinion.

Do you know what I'm NOT doing? I'm not coming on a fansite, not affiliated in any way with the developers, telling the fans how dumb/brainwashed/ignorant they are.
Because that's what you are doing,

One thing is disliking a videogame.
Another thing is wasting days on an internet forum, defecating those horrid walls of text filled with rage and bitterness, throwing insults at anyone who dares to disagree with your perfect logic.
We got it the first 28 times. The black citadel doesn't look like a deathstar, thanks for sharing.

As said above, I'm quitting the game and I regret the time I've wasted on it.
But you are so *ing annoying, it's impossible to agree with you on anything.

With your incredible intellect and debating skills, shouldn't you be working on a stable peace in the middle-east?
Or finding a cure for cancer?

[KilIua]

Jason Seven, on 29 November 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

Why it's hard for people to make money? Because they have certain rules they strictly abide in fear of the great ArenaNet who could ban them. If you ever want a constant flow of cash you'll either have to break these rules or acquire knowledge on how to best exploit and manipulate your fellow, less fortunate players through the market. Sure, you might now say you'll never do this and keep on farming and working like the good and lawful person you are but one day you'll realize that you cannot keep up with those who have no rules and those who no longer care about others well-being due to their greed. Should you ever choose to do the former like myself then at least be smart about it. It's certainly not in your favor using a bot program to farm mobs or use certain tools in crowded areas where you're easily spot like all these other third class gold farmers. 30g per hour was very possible up until recently and you could even automate the entire process. All with just the aid of a few programs and a bugged server. Such a shame they fixed this method. If you for some reason don't believe me, just ask players on Vabbi or Gandara, especially the latter. Entire guilds used this one method there, freely discussing it in their guild chats. It's not even funny just how many did. Keep in mind, this was just one small example of an almost infinite number. The ones to strictly obey arbitrary rules and restrictions are the ones who end up getting the short end of the stick. That being said, I don't endorse cheating or exploiting in any way, though. It's all up to everyone themselves whether they do this or not.

Tell me this post isn't real. People were actually able to make 30 gold an hour, for a long period of time, and it was only fixed recently? Le sigh.

[Just Horus]

There was an exploit in HotW exp that could net you ridic sums of gold. It was fixed recently. I believe that is what he was referring to.

[omar316]

NumNumPie, on 29 November 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

I have a single main, with full t3 cultural armor, that I transmuted to an exotic Knight's crafted armor (That I didn't buy, I sent mats to guildie and he crafted for me).

I have Dawn, Gift of metal, 38 Icey Runestones, a Scythe Staff skin and a Ghastly Shield which I'm planning to sell as soon as they spike around 75g. Which will happen in a few months, right around April-May. If they drop to 20g, I'm buying another pair.

I don't farm, I don't do the gems to gold convert. But I DID make a few gold when I was curious about the drop rate on Mini's. So I bought $20 worth of gems, bought mini's, and got about 13.5-14g off them.

I run 0/0/30/30/10 on a Warrior, which I was forced to because I run Commander in WvW so I have to stay alive. And I still get kills, thanks to the 1200 range on Bow + 10% vs foes on fire + F1/3 skills on bow which absolutely slaughter people.

I rarely die, and thanks to the Halloween event, I have about 40 or so Instant Repair Canisters which if you do the math to each full repair being roughly 12 silver, that's almost 5g in repairs I'm saving.

I don't travel a lot, I use Mists to get to LA almost every time I want to travel. I try to play the market best as I can, but don't focus on it too much.

tl;dr

Making gold is easy, keeping it is not.

I guess you play for 2 hours a day.

[Corvindi]

Tried the TP tonight for a bit, was astonished at how many people actually fill buy orders.  It's bad enough that I often match the lowest seller without checking to see if it's a tiny handful of items well below the asking price of the next-lowest seller, but filling buy orders?  Why would anyone do that?  Am I missing something?

Anyway, I speculated on a couple of items and was doing okay but now prices have plummeted and I'm back down to a handful of silver, wondering whether I'm screwed or if I'll just have to be patient.  It's slow going, pretty sure I'll tire of it quick even if I do come out of my first attempt okay.

[NumNumPie]

omar316, on 01 December 2012 - 01:52 AM, said:

I guess you play for 2 hours a day.

'Play' Play? Yeah about an hour or so. Most of the time I spend in WvW with my guild. I hardly do PvE now, since there's no endgame apart from Legendaries.

[Jason Seven]

KilIua, on 30 November 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

Tell me this post isn't real. People were actually able to make 30 gold an hour, for a long period of time, and it was only fixed recently? Le sigh.

Yes, it was very real. The whole procedure took about 20 to 30 seconds and you got 20 silver each time. All that was required was a teleport tool and a bugged server that didn't properly enforce DR, Gandara was one for example. Now that it's fixed you'd make about 3g per hour at the most due to DR. A ton of players did this, entire guilds like I said so you can imagine how much money was created during this time. I'll PM you a link to a video showing how it was done although it's very low quality.

[Majic]

The Root Of All Evil

Teleport hacks are still in widespread use. I see them used all the time on Darkhaven by bots for farming nodes and mobs. I'm sure they're profitable, but I'm also sure that profit will diminish once The ArenaNet Strikes Back.

Deflationary spirals are caused when the value of a currency increases over time. Appreciating currency discourages investment by making it more profitable to simply hold onto it. The rising prices we're seeing and the rapidly diminishing value of gold relative to gems is not characteristic of a deflationary spiral -- at least, not with respect to gold.

Gems, on the other hand, are a different story, and it seems very likely most of the "smart money" has gone into gems to ride out the current round of gold inflation. In fact, it's arguable that an exodus by gold farmers into gems may be a factor in reducing the value of gold relative to gems, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms -- and probably not the case, anyway.

Meanwhile, I made a conscious decision from the start not to get hung up with grinding out money and playing the markets in GW2. I've done it before in other games and have found that it ultimately eclipses the game itself, which in turn makes the gameplay experience less enjoyable for me. If I want to scam, play markets and make big money, I'll dust off my three EVE accounts and revive my trading and piracy concern in that universe.

As it happens, in Guild Wars 2 I've been paying little attention to the trading post other than as a consumer and selling loot for the best prices I can get, and money hasn't been any problem at all. I usually solo during the off hours due to my schedule these days, rarely group, do very little crafting, don't do dungeons or run personal stories. I'm saving those for later.

I just play the game by doing whatever I feel like doing, and it's working great!

The Curse Of Contentment

Currently I'm leveling up my Warrior who, after my Mesmer, Engineer and Thief, will be my fourth Level 80 character. He will, like my other capped characters, have Exotic weapons and Rare armor. There will be plenty of room for growth into more Exotic -- and, eventually, perhaps Ascended -- gear, but in the meantime they will be carrying the best weapons stats available in the game and the next-best armor, and that's nothing to cry about.

That's on top of 12-slot bags and other amenities that make life easier, and while I do have to manage and budget my money, it really hasn't been a problem.

Am I rich? Nope. Am I happy? Yes. In fact, I'm happier than if I had enough money to buy anything and everything I want.

How do I know that? Because in other games, I have had enough money to buy everything I wanted, and it's not nearly what it's cracked up to be. Maybe it's fun for other players, but for me, the fun is in always having something more to shoot for, and not just being able to buy my way through virtual life.

Making lots of money can be fun, and be a game in its own right, but once money becomes an end in itself, it becomes less fun. Ultimately, taken to excess, it can become a curse and rob a player of actual fun in a game, just as it can in real life.

True happiness is being happy with what you have. After that, everything else is just a bonus.

[ToySoldier]

blindude, on 30 November 2012 - 12:46 AM, said:

You know there are people that go and like duskwolfs posts even when they contain many obvious examples of fallacies and inconsistency such as Fancy Fool had the courage to point out.
But then again if you notice they are the same ones every *ing time..so i guess its statistically normal that with every big enough sample you get to meet people on the "weird" personality side.

So guys relax its perfectly normal..Where i live every big village has its crazy man!Its a mascot .

While I do not always agree with Duskwolf's point of view, I did click "like"  on a lot of his posts due to my feeling he offered intelligent insights.  Heck at one point I even agreed with him that I was "in denial state".  My ego isn't that strong to take offense in things he said.  If you want to enlighten me on my stupidity, ok.

This forum has no limit on /ignore list as far as I know. Feel free to add me.  

[Bakelith]

Jason Seven, on 01 December 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

Yes, it was very real. The whole procedure took about 20 to 30 seconds and you got 20 silver each time. All that was required was a teleport tool and a bugged server that didn't properly enforce DR, Gandara was one for example. Now that it's fixed you'd make about 3g per hour at the most due to DR. A ton of players did this, entire guilds like I said so you can imagine how much money was created during this time. I'll PM you a link to a video showing how it was done although it's very low quality.

I'd like to see that as well. I'm amazed they didn't ban anyone for that especially since there was a teleport tool involved.

Edited by Bakelith, 01 December 2012 - 11:48 AM.

[Stuccio]

It is so difficult to get money because the game isn't made exclusively on items.

[Jason Seven]

Bakelith, on 01 December 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

I'd like to see that as well. I'm amazed they didn't ban anyone for that especially since there was a teleport tool involved.

Apparently they only look into those accounts that get reported. Seems a bit odd to me but I guess it's true. It also took place in an instanced area. Several continued doing this even after the fix and from what they said ArenaNet is now monitoring these places. Some even claim to have seen a GM prior to their banning. PM is on its way.