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[Buttmuncherplus]

hey guys this was a great talk i listened the whole thing. hope we keep having this discussions. great for PVP community!

[Happiness Factory]

ninja speed upload

[Roland Der Meister]

At least The EU side of things is good and fine some good points brought up. A renewed faith in Arena net

[Ballistic Tomato]

i just heard a lot of changes suggested that would benefit PVP that the dev seemed to agree with that would completely wreck PVE.. i sincerely hope that if they are going to make any of these changes suggested they keep it exclusive to PVP.

PS. Metor, you are an idiot.

Edited by Ballistic Tomato, 01 December 2012 - 02:43 AM.

[Al Shamari]

I think this was a really smart move for Arenanet to participate in this, and I hope they expand the discussion to all areas of the game in the future. This is the kind of direct fan communication we need. No surveys, no pre-written press release responses. We want real, live communication.

[Levistis]

See, Anet does listen guys. I for one believe this game has a bright future.

[Roland Der Meister]

[quote name='Ballistic Tomato' timestamp='1354329413' post='2103179']
i just heard a lot of changes suggested that would benefit PVP that the dev seemed to agree with that would completely wreck PVE.. i sincerely hope that if they are going to make any of these changes suggested they keep it exclusive to PVP.

PS. Metor, you are an idiot.
[/quote] How is any of what they were talking about gonna wreck PvE Seriously PvE wrecked bye PvP changes

[blindude]

[quote name='Roland Der Meister' timestamp='1354330534' post='2103192']
How is any of what they were talking about gonna wreck PvE Seriously PvE wrecked bye PvP changes
[/quote]he probably talks about Metor's suggestion about hwo "pro" gamers know everything about balance and whats broken and anet should listen to them and fix..which i also find quite stupid.Without pve/pvp separation and balancing around the top pvp players i could say pvers are indeed a little bit screwed.

(Up until now pve/pvp distinction has been mostly on small changes in durations of effects.Otherwise every change carries over to both game modes.)

Edited by blindude, 01 December 2012 - 03:00 AM.

[AetherMcLoud]

That was actually quite informative. Though they could have taken at least 5 minutes to talk about class balance (or a few sneak peeks for the december balance patch).

[Condiments7]

Very impressed with the discussion. I hope you guys do more stuff like this in the future.

[Featherman]

[quote name='blindude' timestamp='1354330740' post='2103195']
he probably talks about Metor's suggestion about hwo "pro" gamers know everything about balance and whats broken and anet should listen to them and fix..which i also find quite stupid.Without pve/pvp separation and balancing around the top pvp players i could say pvers are indeed a little bit screwed.

(Up until now pve/pvp distinction has been mostly on small changes in durations of effects.Otherwise every change carries over to both game modes.)
[/quote]

I think that's metor being silly. Like him saying bunker s/d is too powerful, which is understandable since it sort of counters necros and certain thieves. But no, it's not. Please don't listen to him Jonathan :[

[Eon Lilu]

Nothing about free server transfers in WvW? Or this only about spvp?

[Soryuju]

[quote name='AetherMcLoud' timestamp='1354334704' post='2103224']
That was actually quite informative. Though they could have taken at least 5 minutes to talk about class balance (or a few sneak peeks for the december balance patch).
[/quote]

I also would have liked this, but it's like Jonathan was saying: if they tell us about something and it doesn't happen, it just makes everything worse in the long run.  Just consider the situation with Rangers - they were promised buffs and told they had 16 bullet points in patch notes.  It didn't happen, a lot of the bullet points consisted just of adding "Projectile Finisher" to underwater skills, and most of the Ranger community is still unwilling to forgive Anet over the incident.  I can deal with being left in the dark for another couple weeks if it reduces the chance for unnecessary grief/rage.

[quote name='Eon Lilu' timestamp='1354335782' post='2103231']
Nothing about free server transfers in WvW? Or this only about spvp?
[/quote]

This was just for SPvP, so WvW didn't come up.

Edited by Soryuju, 01 December 2012 - 04:37 AM.

[DLeague]

[quote name='Featherman' timestamp='1354335711' post='2103230']
I think that's metor being silly. Like him saying bunker s/d is too powerful, which is understandable since it sort of counters necros and certain thieves. But no, it's not. Please don't listen to him Jonathan :[
[/quote]
It wasn't meteor saying s/d is too powerful, he was just agreeing with the comment along with everyone else. If you actually played paid tournaments you would know ele is currently the most necessary proffesion right now. The current meta is heavy aoe damage which ele has combined with unbelievable heals, aswell as having the only downstate which can avoid being stomped AND survive the aoe spam by removing all conditions and healing half your hp bar.
Did i mention ele also has the second best mobility in the game? Did i also mention ele has the best condition removal in the game?

[I'm Squirrel]

Haven't listened to this discussion yet. But, i'm pretty sure the PvE state of the game is much worse rather than the PvP aspect. Pretty disappointed that this discussion is strictly SPvP based.

[MisfitAndy]

[quote name='DLeague' timestamp='1354337550' post='2103242']
It wasn't meteor saying s/d is too powerful, he was just agreeing with the comment along with everyone else. If you actually played paid tournaments you would know ele is currently the most necessary proffesion right now. The current meta is heavy aoe damage which ele has combined with unbelievable heals, aswell as having the only downstate which can avoid being stomped AND survive the aoe spam by removing all conditions and healing half your hp bar.
Did i mention ele also has the second best mobility in the game? Did i also mention ele has the best condition removal in the game?
[/quote]

Did you mention that ele has far worse damage than any other class to achieve those things?  You can't have GREAT aoe damage and have the best condition removal.  You can't have "unbelievable heals" and expect to do decent damage.

So basically, they are going to nerf elementalist, which is already the most difficult class to play effectively.  If this happens I am done.

[DLeague]

[quote name='MisfitAndy' timestamp='1354342908' post='2103277']
which is already the most difficult class to play effectively.  If this happens I am done.
[/quote]
l2p QQ ragequit inc.
fact is ele has the best healing in the game, along with the 2nd best mobility, also has THE BEST condition removal in the game, and still puts out good AOE damage with all this support. We could also go into the buffs and combo fields/blast finishers it provides to the team.

[Featherman]

[quote name='DLeague' timestamp='1354337550' post='2103242']
It wasn't meteor saying s/d is too powerful, he was just agreeing with the comment along with everyone else. If you actually played paid tournaments you would know ele is currently the most necessary proffesion right now. The current meta is heavy aoe damage which ele has combined with unbelievable heals, aswell as having the only downstate which can avoid being stomped AND survive the aoe spam by removing all conditions and healing half your hp bar.
Did i mention ele also has the second best mobility in the game? Did i also mention ele has the best condition removal in the game?
[/quote]
He was agreeing with Lowell. No one else was really, except about the down state which is really powerful in the meta. Both Meto and Lowell happen to use classes/specs which are countered by bunker eles so I think it's funny hearing it from those two and not really anyone else. And yeah I'm aware of the ele's lists of features, just as I'm aware of their many possible counters. And S/D being too powerful? Maybe if you want to tickle enemies to death or hope that DT lands. S/D has too many drawbacks to be considered "too powerful." D/D is clearly the better weapon set, even when using bunker stats. Hits harder, heals slightly better, and the tradeoff of range isn't much of an issue since boon application and healing occurs in close proximity.

But anyway, this type of discussion is best left for other parts of the forums. I'm glad they're looking into adding in some much needed features such as spectator and custom arenas. Hotjoin gets boring and is only good for testing out builds, tPvP is hard to organize if you don't want to get farmed, and paid tournaments have a barrier that lock out too many people. There needs to be modes that help introduce players to higher levels of play, not lock them out of it.

Edited by Featherman, 01 December 2012 - 07:12 AM.

[Aodan]

[quote name='I'm Squirrel' timestamp='1354339471' post='2103255']
Haven't listened to this discussion yet. But, i'm pretty sure the PvE state of the game is much worse rather than the PvP aspect. Pretty disappointed that this discussion is strictly SPvP based.
[/quote]

Not even close, PvE has so much content and things to do. Spvp is slowly die'n.

Please don't complain about what you don't know.

The PvE in GW2 is already way better and well done than what most MMO's are putting out.

Edited by Aodan, 01 December 2012 - 08:19 AM.

[Diablo85]

[quote name='I'm Squirrel' timestamp='1354339471' post='2103255']
Haven't listened to this discussion yet. But, i'm pretty sure the PvE state of the game is much worse rather than the PvP aspect. Pretty disappointed that this discussion is strictly SPvP based.
[/quote]

It was a discussion between PvP players and PvP developers so what did you expect? PvE related questions got answered in last weeks AMA.

[beadnbutter32]

Not surprised that sPVP, the absolute least popular portion of the game in terms of percentage of the entire player base who participate is the only area they are willing to allow open dialog.  PVPers as completely commmitted to the enterprise and are the least likely to crtitisize, but more likely to be suck ups and brown nosers hoping to advance their individual chances.

Just another staged PR stunt complete with schills and scripts.

[Dsquaredcri]

Could someone type the entire stream ? tyvm

[blindude]

beadnbutter32, on 01 December 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

Not surprised that sPVP, the absolute least popular portion of the game in terms of percentage of the entire player base who participate is the only area they are willing to allow open dialog.  PVPers as completely commmitted to the enterprise and are the least likely to crtitisize, but more likely to be suck ups and brown nosers hoping to advance their individual chances.

Just another staged PR stunt complete with schills and scripts.

Yeah cause they should have open dialog with one of the forum pve whiners that ar threatening they will stop playing with every patch..right?
Dont try to degrade what they were trying to do.Pvp needs love and those guys there have invested too much time on it to be ignored for the butthurt pve player who wants less grind for his shiny.

DLeague, on 01 December 2012 - 04:52 AM, said:

It wasn't meteor saying s/d is too powerful, he was just agreeing with the comment along with everyone else. If you actually played paid tournaments you would know ele is currently the most necessary proffesion right now. The current meta is heavy aoe damage which ele has combined with unbelievable heals, aswell as having the only downstate which can avoid being stomped AND survive the aoe spam by removing all conditions and healing half your hp bar.
Did i mention ele also has the second best mobility in the game? Did i also mention ele has the best condition removal in the game?

Its logical the class with lowest health to have the best condition removal and if you ve noticed the aoe removal has been actually nerfed alongside the staff nerf.Its also quite logical that the class with the lowerst armor should have more healing too.As for aoes well its just the current meta.The thing is that Metor claimed there that playing 8 hours per day made him eligible on fixing the game but imo he can also like everyone else get carried over by his "personal preferences" and gimp other classes.
Pointing out  the problem is the easy part ,fixing it without *ing up the class is the difficult one.
(Not to mention that most saying ele is strong , even bordeline op are not playing that class and see the limitations on the gameplay..you cant have an unplayable class for the new player )

Edited by blindude, 01 December 2012 - 01:11 PM.

[liinniejj]

Dsquaredcri, on 01 December 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

Could someone type the entire stream ? tyvm

hahaha. yeah that ain't gonna happen just grab some crisps and tea and go listen to it.

[AetherMcLoud]

TLDR Version: eles are gonna get nerfed even harder because 2 "pro" guys who play builds who get countered hard by bunker eles (i.e. "metagame") whined about eles. LOL.

And what I hate most is that those people don't realize that ele has NOTHING else left. Hell, we roam with frakking bunker builds.

[Marelith]

The Onibawan kid thinks its funneh to play against the same teams all day erryday, good for him! Being a "top team" with so much competition is enough, more would be bad for sure.

[Carebear_Sss]

Stop crying about eles. Ele downed state is OP as it's now. Ele op compared to warrior, yes. So many condition removals etc. Open your eyez guyz. They will rework some abilities so focus for example will get usefull, that would open more builds.
From my POV when teams will use every ability type, then game will be balanced and they strive for it.
L2P noobs, he didnt said it, i just mentioned it.
I play in Royal Legion team we have 130 QP, but we play maybe 4 days a week 4h each (max). We replaced our necro because last one got bored of the game and quited, no drama attached.
//////////////////////////////THE TOPIC/////////////////////
Maybe not all interesting questions were asked but most 4 sure.
Xeph my respect for you just got bigger, gj man.
Rest of guys, maybe to selfish, maybe not but I liked to listen to your opinions.

I hope GW2Guru will continue to host such events.

[AetherMcLoud]

Carebear_Sss, on 01 December 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

Stop crying about eles. Ele downed state is OP as it's now. Ele op compared to warrior, yes. So many condition removals etc. Open your eyez guyz. They will rework some abilities so focus for example will get usefull, that would open more builds.
From my POV when teams will use every ability type, then game will be balanced and they strive for it.
L2P noobs, he didnt said it, i just mentioned it.
I play in Royal Legion team we have 130 QP, but we play maybe 4 days a week 4h each (max). We replaced our necro because last one got bored of the game and quited, no drama attached.
//////////////////////////////THE TOPIC/////////////////////
Maybe not all interesting questions were asked but most 4 sure.
Xeph my respect for you just got bigger, gj man.
Rest of guys, maybe to selfish, maybe not but I liked to listen to your opinions.

I hope GW2Guru will continue to host such events.

Vitality is a base defense against condtions. So of course ele - the class with the lowest HP - has more condition removal than warriors - the class with the highest HP. It's not OP at all it's balanced.

What they need to do is make damage builds viable for ele. At the moment all we can do is bunker up. Nothing else is viable at all. And that's the main problem with ele, not condition removals.

[Carebear_Sss]

You can have 20k hp use knight/soldier amulet.
I play as glass cannon on ele your argument is invalid.

You can't have all in one boss. Crt dmg and (...) and Hp.