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#1 zabiku

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:00 AM

No this isn't a rant topic, I would prefer all that garbage and discussion be left to the many threads that plague this open discussion forum. I am here hoping to get some discussion going and hopefully some good ideas and tips regarding people struggling at the moment to play and may perhaps have lost their way among all the trivial bickering and the loud opinion of others.

I myself am a proud JQQ'er since Day 1. I got my first level 80 almost a month in to playing release (mind you I had this game on pre-order and attended the early start period) and I am a a victim of Alt-titus. I can't stop making alternate characters in which I delete moments later only to end up recreating them at a later date. I come to this forum being as it has many people of both sides and hopefully some people suffering or have overcome the same issues I have.

I have a level 80 mesmer, as to how I leveled him to 80 without deleting and restarting it is honestly unknown to me, I think I could probably thank crafting going from 50 to 80 but that consequently left me very very poor. I'm struggling to find ways to keep myself playing this game mostly because of the very negative attitude it seems either my server or just as a player base itself this game is producing. Unless I am willing to spend ample amount of time farming for progression for people to want to do anything (even my current girlfriend has join the ranks of not wanting to do much with me because despite being 80 I am behind in overall progression)

I'm always finding that I am losing love for my mesmer, I find that what I once found to be fun and unique is almost becoming dry and rinse/repeat heavy due to very little diversity I find within the class itself. Mind you I've done all sorts of builds from mantra tank to shatter spec. So I'm looking to appease my need for alternative characters by making another class.

TL;DR-
I'm struggling to keep playing this game despite how badly I want to because I have no real direction and very few people want to help out with that.

Discuss things you have done if you've found yourself in my position and maybe share tips as to what advice you could give to an old GW1 Vet who has moved on and does not want to look back and to continue playing GW2.

#2 jondifool

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:20 AM

i do recognise some of your frustrations.

About the mesmer state.

I have been through alot of thesse issues about the mesmer. And i truly find it lacking in diversity , and hard to keep being interested in playing.

I have narrowed it down to be about its weapons! Simply said even though there is 4 main weapons and 4 off hands, when it comes to builds in PvE, it narrows down to really either playing ranged with two 2 handed, or using a sword/x offhand in a power build or condition build and yousing greatsword/staff accordingly as second weapon set.

The variation in uttility skills does offers way to little to change the over all experience of the playing being the same, since the weapon choices is so stucked with the builds.

And because of shatter/illusion limitations the offhand feels like they doesn't really change anything in the overall experience.

If just the scepter was fixed to be viable in PvE, the amount of weapon combos that could be meaingsfull to play with in each build would skyrocket from 1 most of the times to 3-4 making the mesmer alot more diverse when moving beyond the supreficial. Adding another MH weapon would do the same.

Btw i did change to shatter builds and learned to farm 4+ mobs solo in orr,then going just for actions (events)  spend a week or 2 doing that , and a run through frostgore, getting all the oris aswell, and crafted myself the exsotic gear i needed to not being behind.
Mesmer sucs at tagging mobs in events , but can still with practice improve alot.

But i don't really get the gear dependence and falling behind in progression being that big problem for the mesmer , because the mesmers surviability is insanely good, and he really shouldn't be a liability to any group even if only having rare equipment.

#3 zabiku

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:35 AM

Well its not necessarily that I myself believe that Mesmers are gear dependent or anything of the like, its just ever since fractals I get this sense of extreme class bias where out of no where it seems everyone I know has it out for mesmers. Also I do agree that it is mostly the weapon choice that is what really brings down mesmers, I think that in all honesty they should be looked at severely and have skills changed almost completely.

I've done the Orr/Frostgorge farming a lot before and a bit after Lost Shore, but I guess I could try doing it again. I never really had issues killing everything, just it seems now people are being insanely fickle when it comes to grouping up and doing anything now.

#4 clipbord

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:45 AM

I guess we are in the same boat, played it since head start. I really enjoy the game, and I feel like I've gotten my moneys worth. But I also find myself struggling to keep playing, and I really want to keep playing, but lately I don't have any enthusiasm to log in, as I did before.
I'm also a GW1 vet of 6+ years, and I'm not comparing GW1 or GW2, but I've always found myself wanting to log on and keep playing with GW1. Although GW2 never had me playing like I did GW1, its still an amazing game none the less.

My main is also my mesmer, once it hit 80 i got bored and made another 80 and so on
I have 3 80s, but I want to find another goal in this game than, just making new character and lvl them up to 80s and gear them up with exotics and making a new character short after.

Edited by clipbord, 01 December 2012 - 10:48 AM.


#5 Senatic

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:52 AM

Well I'll give you the basic MMO advises as they help me keep interested in the game on a day to day basis.

Socialize

Make sure you are playing with people whose company you enjoy. Seriously, having a guild where you have real friends will get you involved in many aspects of the game you would not else care for. I can not stress enough how important this point is. Being in a very social and friendly environment means you will do things like (and enjoy doing them much more):
  • Go play lower level zones just to accompany your friends, or vice versa.
  • Check out Jumping puzzles/mini dungeons when your friends stumbles upon a new one, or vice versa.
  • Do dungeons you've already went though just to play with your friends.
  • Have the opportunity to try playing Dungeons in a coordinated and strategic effort instead of the randomness and amateur pugg style.
So much much more I could add to this list, but simply put MMO's are social and should be played in a social way. The game provides you with the platform to have fun and friends enrich that environment.

Set attainable goals for yourself

Setting goals for yourself that you can achieve on a regular basis is a very important part of maintaining interest in a game like this for longer durations. You have to realize that there is a lot of things to do within the game world that is not directly encouraged by the game itself. The game itself artificially encourages you towards some of these goals. For example completing the game, outfitting yourself in level 80 exotics, completing the map exploration and so on. But there are other goals that you can set for yourself when you have done these things. Examples:
  • Working towards a Legendary (the most obvious one so I'm getting it out of the way)
  • Getting a dungeon armor for the skin (if there's any you like)
  • Completing specific achievements - may they be boss kills, mini dungeons or jumping puzzles. (these achievements in particular are good because there are many of them and they are relatively easily attainable, granting you a feeling of steady accomplishment.)
  • If the Legendary grind is too much for you there are other cool looking weapons you can make in the mystic forge that are not as unattainable but yet require a little more effort then your normal weapons, I recommend you check these out.
  • Maxing out crafting professions can be a fun little side show to the real game.
  • Going after each of the world bosses is also a good and relatively easily attainable goal.
Only your imagination sets the bar for what your goals may be, they could be as mundane as amassing tons of gold, or as practical as leveling a specific alt to level 80. Be creative and make sure you always have direction for what you are doing in game. If you don't have fun doing a specific thing, stop doing it and make a different goal for yourself.

It's okay to divert from direction once you have it, but playing without it will result in boredom and the feeling of *There's nothing to aim for* which simply isn't true. The game just doesn't spoon feed you tons of objectives. Try to combine long term goals with short term goals and mix it up, don't overwork yourself on one thing or you will lose interest.

Mix up your type of game play

A LOT of people limit themselves to being only one kind of a player. Either you're a World VS World player, a PvE player or a sPvP player. This kind of thinking will guarantee in the long run that you will bore of the game. Mixing it up between all of them means it will take more time for you to divulge content. Which means it's more likely by the time you're starting to get bored ArenaNet will have had sufficient time to pump out some new content for you to enjoy. And who knows, maybe you find something new you like. And if you don't, no harm done.

Take a break from the game

Remember that Guild Wars 2 does not have a sub fee. There are other games out there and lots of real life activities to enjoy. As with anything, doing the same thing over and over again for hundreds of hours without variation is gonna bore you of it. It doesn't matter what it is, when you grind the same thing for thousands of hours it will get boring to the point where you want to rip your hair out. If you are a hardcore gamer I might suggest picking up one of the very good recent releases such as Hitman Absolution, Assassins Creed 3 or Far Cry 3.

So every now and then, play something different. Or do something different, go out with friends, watch a movie, go to a bar and get wasted. Don't obsess over the same game each and every night, you are doing both yourself and the game you want to enjoy a disservice.

I hope you can garner some wisdom from this wall of text and that it may help you enjoy the game more, I wish you good luck.

Edited by Senatic, 01 December 2012 - 10:56 AM.


#6 caballo_oscuro

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 11:10 AM

View PostSenatic, on 01 December 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

Well I'll give you the basic MMO advises as they help me keep interested in the game on a day to day basis.

Socialize

Make sure you are playing with people whose company you enjoy. Seriously, having a guild where you have real friends will get you involved in many aspects of the game you would not else care for. I can not stress enough how important this point is. Being in a very social and friendly environment means you will do things like (and enjoy doing them much more):
  • Go play lower level zones just to accompany your friends, or vice versa.
  • Check out Jumping puzzles/mini dungeons when your friends stumbles upon a new one, or vice versa.
  • Do dungeons you've already went though just to play with your friends.
  • Have the opportunity to try playing Dungeons in a coordinated and strategic effort instead of the randomness and amateur pugg style.
So much much more I could add to this list, but simply put MMO's are social and should be played in a social way. The game provides you with the platform to have fun and friends enrich that environment.

Set attainable goals for yourself

Setting goals for yourself that you can achieve on a regular basis is a very important part of maintaining interest in a game like this for longer durations. You have to realize that there is a lot of things to do within the game world that is not directly encouraged by the game itself. The game itself artificially encourages you towards some of these goals. For example completing the game, outfitting yourself in level 80 exotics, completing the map exploration and so on. But there are other goals that you can set for yourself when you have done these things. Examples:
  • Working towards a Legendary (the most obvious one so I'm getting it out of the way)
  • Getting a dungeon armor for the skin (if there's any you like)
  • Completing specific achievements - may they be boss kills, mini dungeons or jumping puzzles. (these achievements in particular are good because there are many of them and they are relatively easily attainable, granting you a feeling of steady accomplishment.)
  • If the Legendary grind is too much for you there are other cool looking weapons you can make in the mystic forge that are not as unattainable but yet require a little more effort then your normal weapons, I recommend you check these out.
  • Maxing out crafting professions can be a fun little side show to the real game.
  • Going after each of the world bosses is also a good and relatively easily attainable goal.
Only your imagination sets the bar for what your goals may be, they could be as mundane as amassing tons of gold, or as practical as leveling a specific alt to level 80. Be creative and make sure you always have direction for what you are doing in game. If you don't have fun doing a specific thing, stop doing it and make a different goal for yourself.

It's okay to divert from direction once you have it, but playing without it will result in boredom and the feeling of *There's nothing to aim for* which simply isn't true. The game just doesn't spoon feed you tons of objectives. Try to combine long term goals with short term goals and mix it up, don't overwork yourself on one thing or you will lose interest.

Mix up your type of game play

A LOT of people limit themselves to being only one kind of a player. Either you're a World VS World player, a PvE player or a sPvP player. This kind of thinking will guarantee in the long run that you will bore of the game. Mixing it up between all of them means it will take more time for you to divulge content. Which means it's more likely by the time you're starting to get bored ArenaNet will have had sufficient time to pump out some new content for you to enjoy. And who knows, maybe you find something new you like. And if you don't, no harm done.

Take a break from the game

Remember that Guild Wars 2 does not have a sub fee. There are other games out there and lots of real life activities to enjoy. As with anything, doing the same thing over and over again for hundreds of hours without variation is gonna bore you of it. It doesn't matter what it is, when you grind the same thing for thousands of hours it will get boring to the point where you want to rip your hair out. If you are a hardcore gamer I might suggest picking up one of the very good recent releases such as Hitman Absolution, Assassins Creed 3 or Far Cry 3.

So every now and then, play something different. Or do something different, go out with friends, watch a movie, go to a bar and get wasted. Don't obsess over the same game each and every night, you are doing both yourself and the game you want to enjoy a disservice.

I hope you can garner some wisdom from this wall of text and that it may help you enjoy the game more, I wish you good luck.


Yeah I certainly agree with this. MMOs are huge in their scope, many of the things that are most highly valued will take a long time. You need to find a guild you can socialise with and decide out of all the things you want, what you want most and aim for it.

In the meantime, there are probably lots of things you haven't discovered out there and if you want an idea of what's in the world, look at the achievments panel in the hero tab, check out wvw and spvp and check out things like weapons and armour, crafting, and the map for zones you haven't explored.

If you find the areas you're levelling in are a little dull, go to LA and into another race's city and from there out to the equivalent level zone for you or higher/lower as you like. I found moving from the human areas to the charr areas gave a different outlook on things altogether.

There's loads to do so find something you enjoy and go for it




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