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#1 MazingerZ

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 07:39 PM

Having done the Priory quest line up to Claw Island (not through), I must say that while Sieran is a little... out there, I find her personality to be a little refreshing as far as talking to Sylvari NPCs.  Caithe and Trahearne are melancholy for different reasons.  Sieran has lust for life, albeit she seems to fit the manic pixie dream girl stereotype to a T.

But for some reason I think she's the most dumped on NPC out of all the Order story lines.  She has the odd exuberance that I got from Killeen.  The whole Sylvari 'knowledge not tempered with subjective experience' thing going.

Anyway, pro-Sieran!  Not saying she's the best, but I can't understand the hate.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 07:42 PM

Erm...then you're best off not completing Claw Island, just saying.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 07:44 PM

View PostVerelia, on 03 December 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

Erm...then you're best off not completing Claw Island, just saying.

I'm well aware of what happens to Order NPCs at Claw Island, in the broad strokes.

Unless they do something that completely destroys her character.  Include spoiler tags.

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Edited by MazingerZ, 03 December 2012 - 07:45 PM.

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#4 Konig Des Todes

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 07:51 PM

I have only done one Priory storyline (go figure, right?) which I did when joining a friend. And I gotta say her personality was extremely enjoyable in the... bubbly sense.

All three mentors are great characters. Far better than half of Destiny's Edge or just about every order/pact leader (well, can't say much for Gixx obviously).

GW2 has a "serious fault" of how every good NPC dies. At this rate, Tyria's going to be filled with borefest people. (Spoilers: That's the real way the Elder Dragons destroy the world many times over - they kill off all the interesting people).

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:17 PM

I found myself in hatred for her many times, only to turn around 2 secs later and like her all the more for it.
I really wish the mentors either lived, or they had another character in your Pstory with as much depth that stuck around. I was starting to like Demmi Beetlestone but she disappeared so...

Moving forward with the personal story, they really need to work on better establishing a lot of characters (and not killing them off). Let's see the characters like Demmi, or the surviving member of your charr warband, or your friend from the city as a human, get some more depth and see them around more.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:39 PM

I guess I have a thing for manly men and awkwardly adorable kitten-lion engineers, but Sieran's one of the few Sylvari NPCs that I quickly grew to like. She also happened to be my third, so I was in some senses more psychologically prepared for potential plot twists.

Spoilers below for why the other two clicked well with me.

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On Sieran:

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:33 PM

Sieran's my favourite GW2 NPC. :D

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:38 PM

Really? I hated her.. I found her incredibly obnoxious and annoying.. Tybalt is my favorite, I really bonded with him! <3

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:41 PM

I have to agree with Steadfast almost completely.  I think the only part I disagree on is personal opinion, in that her death was more painful than the other two.  Sieran is my favorite sylvari npc, hands down.  Caithe and Trehearne annoy the HELL out of me (especially the later)  In fact, she was probably my favorite character in the story, and I don't mind admitting I teared up.  

I really thought more characters would persist through the personal story.  I pictured Petra (your friend in the human commoner's story if I have the name wrong) leaving home once you did and either accompanying you, or joining the Vigil herself and reuniting with you later in the story.  None of the characters save Trahearne seem to persist though, and that really bothered me, especially when my favorite ended like she did.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:32 AM

I agree that all the most compelling characters we meet seem to either die or disappear. It's very disappointing.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:49 AM

It would be preferable to see 3 of them live and all of Destiny's Edge and Traherne die grisly death as much as the game rating can allow. All the bickering of those 5 kids full of wangst really get on my nerve (especially the final mission), and Traherne being sort of Gary Stu does not help either.

But then again, Sieran seems to think of Traherne as her idol. :( Poor judgment of character there, Magister.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:51 AM

View PostKonig Des Todes, on 03 December 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

I have only done one Priory storyline (go figure, right?) which I did when joining a friend. And I gotta say her personality was extremely enjoyable in the... bubbly sense.

All three mentors are great characters. Far better than half of Destiny's Edge or just about every order/pact leader (well, can't say much for Gixx obviously).
Gixx is a bit too "stereotypical asura" for my liking. Now, it makes sense that the asura are going to have got their fingers deep into Durmand Priory once they got the opportunity, but even (or, possibly, especially) in an enclave of scholars I would have expected the head honcho to be more... diplomatic. Gixx clearly thinks he's better than everyone and everybody and has contempt for non-asura cultures, and isn't ashamed of showing it - I don't know how the Priory selects its leaders, but I don't see him being voted in, and if he was appointed as a successor by his predecessor I don't know what they were thinking.

Sieran, I'd have to say, was probably my favourite of the mentors. Now, don't get me wrong, Tybalt does have his charms, but Sieran's exuberance and bubblyness is something I find refreshing.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 05:37 PM

View PostRavrohan, on 03 December 2012 - 11:41 PM, said:

None of the characters save Trahearne seem to persist though, and that really bothered me, especially when my favorite ended like she did.
A lot of early storyline characters return in Orr (as well as for retaking Claw Island).

It just depends on what storylines you take.

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And I might have missed some.

So a lot of characters return, but there's still plenty of characters who don't despite being able to, and it's all to easy to pick the "wrong" path so that you're not re-united with old chums... and often, those old chums don't recognize you even if you *did* get them.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:36 PM

View Postdraxynnic, on 04 December 2012 - 04:51 AM, said:

Gixx is a bit too "stereotypical asura" for my liking. Now, it makes sense that the asura are going to have got their fingers deep into Durmand Priory once they got the opportunity, but even (or, possibly, especially) in an enclave of scholars I would have expected the head honcho to be more... diplomatic. Gixx clearly thinks he's better than everyone and everybody and has contempt for non-asura cultures, and isn't ashamed of showing it - I don't know how the Priory selects its leaders, but I don't see him being voted in, and if he was appointed as a successor by his predecessor I don't know what they were thinking.

Sieran, I'd have to say, was probably my favourite of the mentors. Now, don't get me wrong, Tybalt does have his charms, but Sieran's exuberance and bubblyness is something I find refreshing.

The Ghost Rite kind of gives him a little depth though.

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It's a lot of effort, but YouTube has clips, if you listen to him.  He gets spun up and then catches himself.  To me, it comes off almost regretful.  That some small part of him enjoyed what Sieran brought, even as it annoyed him.  Much like Flint Fireforge and Tasslehoff.

As far as his approach to the Priory.  Asuran belief in the Eternal Alchemy to me comes off more as a spiritual philosophy than religion.  They understand there are forces beyond them and while they try to squirrel it out, they seem far less interested in controlling them than understanding them.

When dealing with the idol of Balthazzar, he accepts its an artifact of power.  He accepts it can be useful.  It is a piece of the Eternal Alchemy.  One that humans gave a face and a name to.  Had it been a human NPC, they could probably have treated it with more reverence and indeed, might be hesitant to use it.  Charr would scoff at it out of hand, because they dislike the concept of Gods in general.  Sylvari... I dunno.  Considering the fact that they're only 25 years old as race, I can't see them holding a high spot in the order.  Magister might be it.  Gixx might have already been installed at their awakening.  Norn, same issues as humans.  They have their own religion they hold steadfast towards.  Articles of power tied to religion might be treated differently.

Though who knows.  There's a Priory event in Brisband Wildlands where two human Arcanists are performing a ritual.  I think one of them is a skeptic, going through the motions.  The other one seems to believe, but doesn't seem to hold any reverance to the gods he's praying to, to enact the ritual.  They seemed like a means to an end for him as well.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:19 PM

Hate? I honestly haven't seen much hate for her. And personally I love her :) She's cherry. A cute voice and accent, an adorable child-like attitude that lorewise fits the Sylvari pretty well, and that lust for adventure that'd make even a One Piece character say "Whoa, there, chill!" And the way she evolves as a person is fantastic <3

View PostKonig Des Todes, on 04 December 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

A lot of early storyline characters return in Orr (as well as for retaking Claw Island).

It just depends on what storylines you take.

Spoiler
And I might have missed some.

So a lot of characters return, but there's still plenty of characters who don't despite being able to, and it's all to easy to pick the "wrong" path so that you're not re-united with old chums... and often, those old chums don't recognize you even if you *did* get them.

Awesome list. Minor mistakes and missings, but still awesome :)

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:40 AM

Snarl and Galina show up in the Mouth step regardless, just doing different things.

The Ghost Rite is actually part of why I don't like Gixx. To me, he comes across as contemptuous of the power he's planning to use - never mind that the ritualists taking the risks to activate it, and possibly also the PC, are human and it's their religion and culture that he's having a go at right in front of them - and the aforementioned ritualists. His "we can manage with one less" line isn't really that much better than the poorly-times "Moving on..."s Trahearne cops so much flak for, except in his case they're an accidental coincidence rather than deliberately a part of his character.

It's possible that one human might be hesitant to use it, but another could easily regard it as being meant to be used in a time of need (and from what I hear it first turns up in a charr story with the Separatists planning to use it). However, I'm not saying that it shouldn't be an asura in charge of the Priory (although I'm not saying that it should be either) but Gixx specifically seems more suited to being in charge of his own project rather than having the entire Priory as his project.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:50 AM

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:52 PM

Of all the mentors I disliked Sieran the most!

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:56 PM

What can i say I WANT Tybalt Leftpaw back......i`m going so far that i would make deal with Grenth if he returns Tybalt i will personally kill that annoying grandma Traeherne !!!!

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 07:48 PM

View PostXgreatArtist, on 05 December 2012 - 05:50 AM, said:

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Agreed 110%

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PS: I love Magister Sieran as a character.  That's what this thread was originally about :-)

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:39 PM

View PostKonig Des Todes, on 04 December 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

A lot of early storyline characters return in Orr (as well as for retaking Claw Island).

It just depends on what storylines you take.

Spoiler
And I might have missed some.

So a lot of characters return, but there's still plenty of characters who don't despite being able to, and it's all to easy to pick the "wrong" path so that you're not re-united with old chums... and often, those old chums don't recognize you even if you *did* get them.

I seem to have picked a lot of wrong choices then, I did meet some of them again but it didn't feel like I was having a reunion.  None of the really important characters seemed to return for me.  

I also did most of the story line with a friend, switching off quests, so it probably killed my chances.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:24 PM

I loved Sieran, not afraid to admit did a lot of personal undead smashing after that to get even.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:18 PM

having done all orders through claw island, I'd have to say she was my least favorite.  Sieran is like the polar opposite of how I am in real life and I frankly found her incredibly annoying.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:02 AM

Magistra Sieran is the best npc in the game. Not only compared to Tybalt and Forgal, but in the whole game imho.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 01:49 AM

I really liked Sieran! She was my favorite NPC that I've ran into. I destroyed lots of Risen because of her.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:39 AM

I have played the Durmand storyline now (after doing OoW first) and have to say, I don't like Sieran. At first she was kind of funny, but her stupidity could have potentially kicked me out of the order (when she "forgot" to report to Gixx). Maybe I'm biased because I met Tybalt first, but he was so likeable and charming from the start. Sieran however starts okay, but get's annoying real quick. Also, while this has nothing to do with the story line, she was bugged during my playthrough and rarely ever took part in combat. She usually just stood there and watched me die. I can't wait to do the same to her at Claw Island. :devil:

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:29 PM

gotta say i'm glad to see all the "Give me Tybalt back!" posts as I just started OoW storyline and am already grieving for him =(

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:31 PM

I've only played the Vigil and Forgal seems incredibly boring compared to the way people talk about Sieran and Tybalt. My mentor sucks :/

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:32 PM

Yeah, Forgal has his moments, but Tybalt and Sieran are definitely more interesting.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:30 PM

Only played Whispers Storyline so far, Tybalt is obviously awesome.

The only other Character I enjoyed was Lord Faren, at least he is still alive. (I would pay money for zany adventures with Faren, honestly)

One of the main problems is that we almost never have time to really get to know the characters, even when sometimes there are entertaining or interesting character traits are shining through. The only character who stays around and doesn't die is Trahearnne... who is simply boring.




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