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#31 draxynnic

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:01 AM

It's possible that they used the alliance with the Nightmare Court as a means to study it as well as the test subjects the Nightmare Court thought was what the Inquest was getting out of the arrangement. Thus, if the theory is right, the Inquest may have surmised Mordremoth's existence from recognising similarities between the Nightmare and other vectors of dragon corruption.
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#32 Sovick

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:49 PM

What if the dragons, sylvari/pale trees, the stuck giant(s) and giganticus lupicus, all are ancient races in a age of giants. Kinda like the dinosaurs, but unlike them some of these giants have survived. But because of their extremely long sleeping patterns we the "lesser" races often forget them.

I also think that the stars have something to do with the awakening of the dragons and pale tree(s) (what the jotun believes). Not in that someone is controlling them from another planet. but its Its like theirs sunrise and sunset.

Theres also some interesting lines in jeremy soules "fear not this night". The lyrics is written by Ree Soesbee. The song is said to be song by and i quote "An anthem of the enigmatic sylvari, Fear Not This Night is a song of hope sung by the mystical Pale tree."

Awaken from a quiet sleep. Hear the whispering of the wind.

So if we say that the Pale tree is following the same patterns as the ED. That might mean that to the ED and the Pale tree 4000 years is like 24 hours to us, and also therefore they can become several thousands of years old. They may follow some other planet(s) routine just like we follow sunrise and sunset. I am properly making this seem more complicated than it is.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:12 PM

Keep in mind that the Pale Tree grew from a seed 250 years ago. So if the Pale Tree species undergoes such a long-term cycle, it would be one in which a new generation is produced each cycle - the previous cycle produces the seeds, the seeds remain dormant for a period of centuries or millenia, and then when the time is right they germinate.

If that cycle happens to match with the cycle of the dragons, it would be hard to argue coincidence - either the Pale Tree species really is a foil for the Elder Dragons, or the cycle of the Pale Tree species may be intended to avoid the dragon awakenings (by being dormant when the dragon is active and vice versa) but something in recent cycles put the timing off.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 04:30 AM

View PostSovick, on 05 December 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

This might be completly offtopic

In french mordre means bite and moth is in english... well a moth. So moth and bite...
Moths is considered a pest because of its destruction of fruits and agriculture in its caterpillar state.So moths need plants to develop. the same may be said about mordremoth he needs plants to achieve his goal. Mordre/bite might be the way it corrupts through agony and torture. This is very likely to be completly unrelated, i mean it could also just be a name :D

I also have a question. Does the dragons realy have to be dragons? couldnt it be that mordremoth is insectlike in appearance( maybe look like a moth ;)) and bubbles be some sort of sea monster? I know the other 4 look like dragons in a traditional sence.

could it be that rather than being an Elder Dragon as everyone (including the Inquest) thinks, Modremoth is the ancient Spider-God we know little about?

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 08:20 AM

That's Arachnia.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 01:31 PM

That's the name we currently know it by based off a few landmarks, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is its actual name.

We know that Arachnia predates the human Gods, just like an Elder Dragon, so it could be possible that rather than being a Spider-God, Arachnia is the Elder Dragon known as Modremoth.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 03:00 PM

The dragons can't go into the mists, Arachnia's body is in the mists. Though the whole existence of her is debatable, since it only came from data-mining, not from a canon source.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 08:31 PM

View PostkevinWilson1784, on 27 January 2013 - 01:31 PM, said:

That's the name we currently know it by based off a few landmarks, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is its actual name.

We know that Arachnia predates the human Gods, just like an Elder Dragon, so it could be possible that rather than being a Spider-God, Arachnia is the Elder Dragon known as Modremoth.
The Heart of Arachnia is the sole mention of a "long dead spider-goddess". The Heart of Arachnia being the goddess' heart. It's the name given to the spider-goddess.

Furthermore, the entire thing - both the name and the concept of there being a long-dead spider-goddess - is from the gw.dat thus canonocity questionable.

And I do not see how you get from spider-goddess named Arachnia to Elder Dragon of plants(?) named Mordremoth.Arachnia's in the Mists, the Realm of Torment specifically, and the Elder Dragons are in Tyria, and without the help of external forces (e.g., norn Havrouns, possibly a kodan Voice), the Elder Dragons can't send forces into the Mists.

There's really no connection. At all.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 08:01 AM

This video was released today.  Fast forward to    15:18.    He doesn't really say anything NEW, but I wanted to pass the video along where he does say there is a Jungle Dragon and it is connected with the Magumma areas.  Nothing just brand new, but I wanted to pass it along nonetheless.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 12:21 AM

I see what you mean, but it is interesting enough that he did effectively confirm that there IS a Jungle Dragon. And, furthermore, that it's in the Maguuma region.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:07 PM

I'm still rooting for Mordy to be responsible for the Maguuma Wastes, since there's nothing else really out there.

I wonder if he meant to let that information out or if it was an oops moment for him.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:03 PM

It's possibly a case that they felt that the speculation had settled close enough to the mark that it wasn't worth getting coy over.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:19 PM

I wonder if that also means that we will actually see or at least feel its influences soon.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:39 PM

View PostOrual Fox, on 15 March 2013 - 08:01 AM, said:


You mean 16:18, pretty much at the end, but it sounds like the next dragon will be something we least expect. Which puts my theory that it will be Primordus, given that he didn't mention that dragon, also make my theory that the current story line is leading up to him.

Is it possible that the Jungle Dragon is also the Mordremoth the sixth elder dragon.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:21 PM

View PostMister_Smiley, on 16 March 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

Is it possible that the Jungle Dragon is also the Mordremoth the sixth elder dragon.

Now it's essentially confirmed that Mordremoth is the Jungle Dragon, considering Colin's quote and the Crucible of Eternity dungeon.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:26 AM

What if the forms of the Elder Dragons and their "personalities" are really some type of "ID Monster" manifest from the minds of the beings/gods that have inhabited Tyria since time immemorial?  If the Nightmare Court is somehow related to a form of dragon corruption, that might help explain the non-direct attack on the sylvari, via the Dream, by the sixth Elder Dragon.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 07:50 PM

My theory is that no one has found the cave from which the pale tree seed came from. What if that was cave Mordremoth was resting and the sylvari were meant to be servants. But taken from the elder dragon to an area farther allowed them to grow through the aid of Ventari's tablet. The reason they can't be corrupted by the dragon's is because they are already the servant of a dragon.

The sylvari have a deep connection to the dragons. Because of the world around them they translate this into meaning they must destroy them, when in reality they are to aid and corrupt as the nightmare do.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 01:48 AM

Far too many differences between sylvari and dragon minions.

Sylvari are immune to corruption; dragon minions can be corrupted by other dragons still.

Sylvari have free will; dragon minions do not (best they get is an independant but not free will).

Dragon minions are fanatical to their dragon; sylvari are not fanatical to anything (except possibly Nightmare Courtiers to the Nightmare, which I suspect to be Mordremoth's influence).

There's just too many differences. All those "deep connections" you talked about are *oppositions*.

Besides, if t heir purpose was to "corrupt as the Nightmare do" then Malyck would be pure evil and towards the Nightmare Court's cause, but he's more akin to standard sylvari.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:26 PM

My theory is that the sylvari are what you get when a human is corrupted by Mordremoth.  Sylvari can't be corrupted by other dragons (ie can't become Zhaitan's Risen, can't become Jormag's Iceblood, et cetera), is because they've already been corrupted.

Now, why aren't they mindless servants like the other minions, and indeed fight against Zhaitan and the other dragons' minions?  I think Ventari's tablet and the pale tree have something to do with that, some sort of influence that doesn't keep them from being corrupted but does keep the 'tie' from forming with Mordremoth, giving what is essentially a dragon minion with free will.

Now, one of the sylvari origin stories does bring in a foreign sylvari who didn't come from this pale tree, so we know that there are other undiscovered sylvari out there, and I think they will be introduced as minions of the sixth dragon.

Personally, I don't think that the nightmare court are necessarily servants of the dragon, since they came from the same tree and had the same influence severed.  I think they're just what they're described as, sylvari who have become disillusioned from the rest and want to go about things their own way.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:02 AM

Here we go again...

There are two problems with this ridiculously popular but baseless theory:

First, it IS possible to be corrupted by energy from multiple dragons at once. See: Crucible of Eternity.

Second, Malyck has no exposure to the Tablet and its teachings, and still behaves more like a Dream sylvari, or at least a Soundless, than a Nightmare Courtier or a dragon minion. This disproves the claim that the Tablet has significantly changed the nature of sylvari - instead, the Tablet is accepted because it's compatible with the natural attitude of most sylvari.
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Posted 20 September 2013 - 11:58 AM

Mordremoth seems to alter the mind or the soul, and it seems that for plant creatures, their state of mind or spirit is reflected in their bodies.

When Scarlet went bonkers, his asura teacher could see how her hands started rowing thorns.

That would explain why nightmare spiders do not look very different to other spiders, while all nightmare plants look all twisted.




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