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My thoughts: reasons to play or not to play GW2, after 2+ months.


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#1 Slic_

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 07:23 AM

Ironically enough, the part of the game anet has been neglecting the most, WvW (World vs World), is the only reason I'd recommend this game.  Rather than explain why, I'll link 1 of my PvP videos, as that about describes how chaotic and full of action it can get:

https://www.youtube....SOj1BaODUc&hd=1

I cannot recommend this game to PvE-ers and coop players in its current state.  Without going into details, a lot of the content has bugs, the story/mechanics are boring/gimmicky (zelda bosses > gw2 boss fights, etc.), and the list goes on.

Structured PvP has only 5 maps and the same boring cap point mode (domination) plagued by a tank/bunker metagame.  Again, cannot recommend the game if you're into competitive/5v5/GvG type of thing.

So, to any newcomers.  If large-scale open world PvP is your thing, GW2 still has you covered.  If you're everyone else, well..  Not so much.

Edited by Slic_, 05 December 2012 - 09:39 AM.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:42 AM

I will just wait and see how will the Jan/Feb WvW patch perform.

And....I have a list of new games to try on 2013 :)

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 11:25 AM

View PostSlic_, on 05 December 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

the part of the game anet has been neglecting the most, WvW (World vs World)
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sPvP and PvE are neglected in much the same way. Countless bugs dating from BWE's still not fixed.

#4 Ddazed

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 11:38 AM

Uh dude you have a Quip. By the time you get whatever materials you need to get one of those things you'll probably be burned out of that side of the game.

This is a pretty blatant stealth brag/advertisement topic. You posted absolutely nothing on your so called thoughts of why to or not play the game. You simply linked yourself killing people in WvW, which gear discrepencies exist BTW. So not everyone you are facing is exotic'd out as you probably are.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 11:43 AM

Thanks for sharing.

#6 Mouse1981

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 12:52 PM

My thoughts: a boring game. All the reason I need.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 12:54 PM

to be fair, most dungeon bosses have something interesting going on. world bosses, not so much.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:02 PM

View PostMouse1981, on 05 December 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

My thoughts: a boring game. All the reason I need.

Every time I read a post like this, I always wonder why you stick around this forum to tell us you dislike the game. Your opinion won't change the minds of the ones who do like GW2. Wouldn't you rather hang around a forum for a game you DO like?

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:02 PM

Pve is funny with friends.
Pvp needs, at least in the random matches, a lvl cap

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:16 PM

View PostCoren, on 05 December 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

Every time I read a post like this, I always wonder why you stick around this forum to tell us you dislike the game. Your opinion won't change the minds of the ones who do like GW2. Wouldn't you rather hang around a forum for a game you DO like?

Some people enjoy the role of the annoying ex-boyfriend who hangs around to make life hell after the breakup.

Oddly enough, though Mouse finds GW2 so incredibly boring, it seems to continue providing him entertainment in the form of grousing about on Guru.

On topic, the reason to play GW2 after 2+ months is because I'm still having a lot of fun.

From what I've seen, even most players who have declared themselves tired or frustrated by the game acknowledge getting 100+ hours of enjoyment out of the game before they were done.  That's more value than a single player game usually gives.

The great thing about the B2P model is that you can play it until you are no longer having fun, then take a break.  Play something else, and check in occasionally to see how GW2 is going.  Jump back in if new content looks interesting or the bug that was driving you crazy got fixed, and play for as long as it is fun again.

It helps if you don't expect one game to satisfy every entertainment need for months at a time.

Edited by Kymeric, 05 December 2012 - 01:17 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:17 PM

Thank you for posting... but why does this need its own thread?

I'm personally having tonnes of fun in Guild Wars 2 and I'm only playing PvE content at the moment. It's all a matter of opinion ;)

#12 Mouse1981

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:20 PM

View PostCoren, on 05 December 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

Every time I read a post like this, I always wonder why you stick around this forum to tell us you dislike the game. Your opinion won't change the minds of the ones who do like GW2. Wouldn't you rather hang around a forum for a game you DO like?

It's not intended for the regular forum members as much as it's intended for the wider audiences who happen to stumble by and any possible visiting developers.

And, when you like a game (any game), you visit it's forums to rejoice with other players who share your feelings towards it? You gather round the camp fire, exchanging your awesome experiences in ecstasy, making bonds (brothers in arms)? Never knew that's what forums are for, interesting.

Now, what I never understood, and what's making me wonder, is why the people who DO like the game don't spend more time playing it instead of lurking on the forums, trying to shoo away the people who have criticism for it. But one can't know everything, right? :)

View PostKymeric, on 05 December 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Some people enjoy the role of the annoying ex-boyfriend who hangs around to make life hell after the breakup.

Oddly enough, though Mouse finds GW2 so incredibly boring, it seems to continue providing him entertainment in the form of grousing about on Guru.

On topic, the reason to play GW2 after 2+ months is because I'm still having a lot of fun.

From what I've seen, even most players who have declared themselves tired or frustrated by the game acknowledge getting 100+ hours of enjoyment out of the game before they were done.  That's more value than a single player game usually gives.

The great thing about the B2P model is that you can play it until you are no longer having fun, then take a break.  Play something else, and check in occasionally to see how GW2 is going.  Jump back in if new content looks interesting or the bug that was driving you crazy got fixed, and play for as long as it is fun again.

It helps if you don't expect one game to satisfy every entertainment need for months at a time.

I was mistaken, this guy knows it all. :)

When you need to "take a break" (most likely a permanent one) from a game not a month old (was 2 weeks after release when I got fed up with it), there's GOTTA be something wrong with it. Plummeting player base agrees with me. GW2 has lots of ex-boyfriends, doesn't it? A real promiscuous game. :)

Edited by Mouse1981, 05 December 2012 - 01:22 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:23 PM

View PostWaar Kijk Je Naar, on 05 December 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

?

sPvP and PvE are neglected in much the same way. Countless bugs dating from BWE's still not fixed.

Pve and spvp has at least had some new introductions and changes to it. All wvw has had since launch is the removal of orbs. This is why the people who love to wvw feel like they are being neglected

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:23 PM

View PostMouse1981, on 05 December 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

It's not intended for the regular forum members as much as it's intended for the wider audiences who happen to stumble by and any possible visiting developers.

I missed the mark.

More like the guy who feels the need to spread word of how terrible his ex-girlfriend is.

#15 Mouse1981

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:28 PM

View PostKymeric, on 05 December 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

I missed the mark.

More like the guy who feels the need to spread word of how terrible his ex-girlfriend is.

Seems like you have a lot of experience with ex-girlfriends, which obviously brings up very negative associations for you. :D

While that is rather sad, I admit, I cannot help you with that. Whatever the reason behind that is: if you are short, ugly, too skinny, dull or just plain annoying - we don't need to know about it. Let's talk about the game, eh? :)

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:29 PM

View PostMouse1981, on 05 December 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

It's not intended for the regular forum members as much as it's intended for the wider audiences who happen to stumble by and any possible visiting developers.

"Hey! I'm interested in this game! Wow! Not anymore! This Mouse guy has opened my eyes by not liking the game! THANK YOU MOUSE!"

Not gonna happen. Nobody knows who you are.

#17 Mouse1981

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:33 PM

View PostDarkobra, on 05 December 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

"Hey! I'm interested in this game! Wow! Not anymore! This Mouse guy has opened my eyes by not liking the game! THANK YOU MOUSE!"

Not gonna happen. Nobody knows who you are.

I see the fan-boy presence is still strong here. I have no clue who you are either. I guess we are even?

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:36 PM

View PostMouse1981, on 05 December 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

I was mistaken, this guy knows it all. :)

Definitely not.  That's why I'm saying it's really up to the individual.  If you like it, play it.  If you don't, don't.

You feel the need to crusade so that other people don't get fooled, and so that you, in your wisdom about what makes a good MMORPG, can steer the next generation of MMORPG developers into making a better MMORPG.  And you're going to use the arrogance card on me?

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When you need to "take a break" (most likely a permanent one) from a game not a month old (was 2 weeks after release when I got fed up with it), there's GOTTA be something wrong with it. Plummeting player base agrees with me. GW2 has lots of ex-boyfriends, doesn't it? A real promiscuous game. :)

I get it.  You hated the game two weeks in, which tells me A) you probably didn't pay much attention to what ANet said they were doing with it and B) you aren't indicative of the majority.

Until someone can show some real evidence, "plummeting player base" is in the eye of the beholder.  Even if the game has lost more regular players than most MMORPGs two months after launch (they all see a significant drop off), it took longer than two weeks for most people to get dissatisfied with the game.  Even among those who did, there are plenty who acknowledge that they got enough value out of it to be worth the purchase price.

And for the "promiscuous game", you're twisting the metaphor beyond recognition there.  Of course it has a lot of "boyfriends"... it's a multiplayer game.

Which all goes back to why this thread even needed to be started.  There are plenty of complaint/review threads out there.  The only real answer is that internet hubris fools us into thinking that we are somehow special, and our review or criticism of the game deserves to stand out in its own special thread rather than just being a post contributing to the discussion in a thread that is already going.

Or that we are somehow a daring knight bravely shielding people from wasting two weeks and sixty bucks on the worst game they'll ever play while steering the future direction of the MMORPG industry to the holy land of the perfect MMO.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:36 PM

View PostMouse1981, on 05 December 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

I see the fan-boy presence is still strong here. I have no clue who you are either. I guess we are even?

Yeow. Did not mean to pick up your confidence in you thinking you were actually helping the company and then shooting you down in flames when your blog fell to pieces. I wasn't aware you didn't see the quotation marks. Sorry, pup.

Still, I'm sure ArenaNet's headhunting for you for your critical reviews of the- No, you don't even have those... Huh! You got nothing!

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:39 PM

View PostMouse1981, on 05 December 2012 - 01:28 PM, said:

Seems like you have a lot of experience with ex-girlfriends, which obviously brings up very negative associations for you. :D

I have to admit, I have friends with very bad taste in significant others.

I, myself, have been married 17 years to my college sweet-heart.

But as you said, that's not really a topic for this thread.  And I should probably stop feeding the Mouse before I get us both infracted. ;)

#21 Mouse1981

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:52 PM

I can't but smile when I read stuff like Darkobra (your name actually says a lot about you :D ) and Kymeric write. Don't waste so much time and energy commenting me and my posts. While that IS flattering, these forums really are about the game.

Somehow, you both sound convinced that you have something smart and/or important to say. Unfortunately, you are both wrong and I'm completely indifferent to your rubbish attempts to insult me.

Maybe you should PM each other? I'm sure you'd have a blast. :)

You aren't "feeding" anyone, you are provoking instead. Or at least you are trying to. :)

But stopping whatever it is you are doing is probably a good idea, and the first smart thing you've said for the past several posts. :)

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:01 PM

View PostMouse1981, on 05 December 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

But stopping whatever it is you are doing is probably a good idea....

Mouse, I wish you the best.  May you find a game that satisfies all the things want out of one.

You have made me smile, today.  Thanks for that.

Edited by Kymeric, 05 December 2012 - 02:02 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:02 PM

View PostSlic_, on 05 December 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:


So, to any newcomers.  If large-scale open world PvP is your thing, GW2 still has you covered.  If you're everyone else, well..  Not so much.

and I completely disagree.  I am a PvE player, love the dungeons, quests, jumping puzzles.  So each to his/her own.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:06 PM

View PostMouse1981, on 05 December 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

My thoughts: a boring game. All the reason I need.

Please tell me more how whining on forums is more fun than playing the game.

Edited by P4ndora, 05 December 2012 - 02:07 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:13 PM

My reason to play:  I have a blast every time I wvw with my guildies, and I find the pve relaxing and entertaining at the same time.

My reason not to play:  There are a few nights a week I spend time with friends and family (otherwise I'd be playing gw2!).

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:17 PM

The dungeons in this game equate to slogging through vanilla blackrock depths in WOW with bosses that have a billion hitpoints & can one shot you for some crap gear you'll vendor.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:42 PM

Maybe that's why I'm enjoying the game so much.  Haven't been inside a dungeon yet.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:47 PM

The game only lasted about 1k hours for me, a big disappointment considering GW1 last five times as long. Unless some major dungeon revamp is in the work for early 2013 I doubt I will start playing GW2 again. The combat is just too watered down, and the dungeons are too simplistic or easy.

Even FotM came down to who could play the most, not who came up with good team builds or tactics. Again, watered down compared to the amount of skill that GW1 elite areas took.

They can add as much content as they want to this game, but the poor combat system will only keep it interesting for 1/10 of the time GW1 managed to keep new content interesting.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:01 PM

Eh. Vertical progression doesn't do it for me. Nor do the predatory antics of Cox and their taxes on just being. They might change that at some poitn down the line, at which point I'd be happy to give it a try again. But for now? GW2 is WoW-lite. That's not what I want. It depresses me that it is, but that's what it is. It's a game that plays itself if you grind for stats, you don't need to be good at anything.

I'm playing ME3's multi-player right now. It's something that challenges my skill as a player, rather than my time.

Also, I see that the faithfuls here are so desperate with their cognitive dissonance that they're calling for a walled garden community where only those with positive things to say are allowed to talk. Interesting.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:05 PM

This is guru and critical posts will never be censored just because they are not praising something.

However, we have plenty of threads like this already that are already active. Please proceed to one of those if you wish to discuss this.

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