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[SwinkySwanky]

Heh Troma rumor has it that PRX caught one of the spies tonight and since removing that guy, amazingly they weren't met at every turn by VS forces.    Sorry pal, no one is buying the innocent act.

[Burst]

Hennet, on 31 December 2012 - 01:43 AM, said:

There s no way that you have been able to cover 4 maps with 50+ people on every map at all times without recruiting.

We call this holidays and weekend. So yes we are more than 50 for now but we don't have need to recruit for that. We just have to don't sleep.

[Aaron]

Would be pretty damn sick to have a mass US migration to SfR, Bt, and As and stomp VS down a tier

[Vanu4life]

Is it popcorn gif time?

And was freelancer the spy?

[Hennet]

Aaron, best idea ever. Lets do it NA players!

[Genev]

Nice to see Blacktide is still nr 2 on "most succesfull at the top".
Haven't been around for a few weeks due to holidays and boredom, but reading this mad scramble for more NA players from SFR is pretty funny.

Also, reading about showing those French how NA do it.... The impression i got from pretty much every NA/EU post is that EU has more interesting play, so showing people how NA does it doesn't seem very effective

Edit: Reading a bit more seems like that last has changed during the holidays, and people either say "just as bad" or claim their own area is best. Fair enough.

Edited by Genev, 31 December 2012 - 11:03 AM.

[NCLTDS]

Genev, on 31 December 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

Nice to see Blacktide is still nr 2 on "most succesfull at the top".
Haven't been around for a few weeks due to holidays and boredom, but reading this mad scramble for more NA players from SFR is pretty funny.

Also, reading about showing those French how NA do it.... The impression i got from pretty much every NA/EU post is that EU has more interesting play, so showing people how NA does it doesn't seem very effective

Edit: Reading a bit more seems like that last has changed during the holidays, and people either say "just as bad" or claim their own area is best. Fair enough.

Yar, after many measurements (in metric) it was concluded that the size of their c**** does NOT show statistically significant difference. The only real scary guild in EU is Red Guard.

Edited by NCLTDS, 31 December 2012 - 12:47 PM.

[Hennet]

Red Guard and VoTF are both top notch EU Guilds.

Also the need for the NA players on SFR is due to the mass recruiting that VS did to achieve 24/7 coverage.

[Misslol]

Troma, on 31 December 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

By calling more and more USA players for the night, you are making a big mistake, and we talk about it everyday. But what we can do to make you understand the truth?

Everyone is free to have his own opinion about things but the way u tell it is going to influence the respect people have on you..so look around those "Vizunians" posts about PRX and so on..
Even u are stating that is a mistake calling NA people to seafarer when VS is the world that have the biggest nightshift ever in EU bracket so this is my question:

What is the distinction between a different time zone player and a nolife nightcapper (no offence here it’s only to make it clear) that plays the same time on a 24/7 server?
Is the jobless or nolifer player time much worth than the others or what?
If the nightcap is legit so is the different time coverage…if it Is not so let’s go on with all the other crap about u noskilldroids are only a 200zerg that steamroll everything and die as mobs where in same numbers etc etc

I've just made this question in GW2 forum and i got flamed for this...so blame arenanet for free transfers and so on ..not us that try to have a balanced server.
I have a job but i play to win and have fun but i will never alarm clock and sleep less for a game.

About PRX they are welcome in SFR and they are free to have all the challenges the game can give them. The day they will leave if it will come i'll wish them the best.
Take it easy its a game.

[PvPD00R]

We have achieved it! We now go the Euros Sparring words with us over this, that and the other thing! Woot! We have gone Global!!

[Bina]

For those of you who came over to SFR to help out your NA brothers and sisters thank you.

The French are mad and we are winning at least at this point.

[Illein]

I loved the "Let's go do a golem manoeuvre on the 31st of December at 12 AM when 99,999% of Europe is actually celebrating into the new year"

That has to be the most ridiculous dick move in the history of WvW EU so far

Edited by Illein, 02 January 2013 - 01:35 PM.

[Impmon]

Illein, on 02 January 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

I loved the "Let's go do a golem manoeuvre on the 31st of December at 12 AM when 99,999% of Europe is actually celebrating into the new year"

That has to be the most ridiculous dick move in the history of WvW EU so far

You know how the british used to fight by having all their troops stand in a line then shoot at the other guys in a line.  They'd do this until one side was reduced then charge.  When the british started fighting american revolutionaries they'd take cover & shoot from hiding.  The british considered this cheating & not fighting properly... yet look what happened to them.

Likewise, I guess everyone should adjust their play schedule to coincide with when you play.

Edited by Impmon, 02 January 2013 - 02:21 PM.

[PvPD00R]

Illein, on 02 January 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

I loved the "Let's go do a golem manoeuvre on the 31st of December at 12 AM when 99,999% of Europe is actually celebrating into the new year"

That has to be the most ridiculous dick move in the history of WvW EU so far

Sounds somewhat familiar to what VS did on X-Mas Eve.....

[Illein]

Impmon, on 02 January 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

You know how the british used to fight by having all their troops stand in a line then shoot at the other guys in a line.  They'd do this until one side was reduced then charge.  When the british started fighting american revolutionaries they'd take cover & shoot from hiding.  The british considered this cheating & not fighting properly... yet look what happened to them.

Likewise, I guess everyone should adjust their play schedule to coincide with when you play.

A dead sure sign of taking WvW way too serious:

Comparing it with actual warfare. I am perplexed you didn't back it up with a Sun Tzu quote though - that's what usually happens and I like to read habitual posts!

About Vizu's Christmas raid - didn't hear about that yet on ER but there's a difference imho whether you sacrifice probably the most important holiday of the year for something like that - or whether you organize something for 3-6 PM which probably not a single American cares for on the 31st

To each their own.

[NCLTDS]

Holiday's are an excuse to be lazy 90% of the time.

[Vanu4life]

Illein, on 02 January 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

A dead sure sign of taking WvW way too serious:

Comparing it with actual warfare. I am perplexed you didn't back it up with a Sun Tzu quote though - that's what usually happens and I like to read habitual posts!

About Vizu's Christmas raid - didn't hear about that yet on ER but there's a difference imho whether you sacrifice probably the most important holiday of the year for something like that - or whether you organize something for 3-6 PM which probably not a single American cares for on the 31st

To each their own.

Who would have guessed that "no child left behind" included Europe too?

[G L J]

Impmon, on 02 January 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

You know how the british used to fight by having all their troops stand in a line then shoot at the other guys in a line.  They'd do this until one side was reduced then charge.  When the british started fighting american revolutionaries they'd take cover & shoot from hiding.  The british considered this cheating & not fighting properly... yet look what happened to them.

Likewise, I guess everyone should adjust their play schedule to coincide with when you play.

I'm sorry to be that guy (actually, I'm not); but the United States suffered nearly twice the total casualties as the British in the American Revolutionary War. The vast majority of which came in the early years of the war when they were forced to use the tactics you described (small skirmishing) because the British Army was decimating the U.S. army in almost every engagement. Yes, they did call it not fighting properly, but they didn't lose because of the superior tactics of the revolutionary army. Near the end of the war the revolutionary army was meeting the British army in european line fighting with a few key differences (like having people using kentucky long rifles to snipe officers).

The British didn't lose the war because of their tactics on the battlefield, they lost the war because their supply lines were cut off by the French and Spanish Navies and outside intervention forced them to focus the majority of their troops elsewhere.

The line volley and charge tactic was used by almost every western standing army until the first world war. The concept of line volley and charge didn't fall out of use because it was impractical. It was actually one of the only practical ways to organize large numbers of soldiers in a battle. That's why General Washington was so desperate to teach him men how to line fight, remember Valley Forge? It wasn't until the advent of the machine gun that line charges became completely ineffective; and even then, the Chinese used it to great effectiveness in the Korean War.

100 people fighting in a line will not lose to 15 people fighting from cover; The 15 men may escape while inflicting casualties, but it was impossible for the 15 men to bring to bear enough firepower to actually stop the 100 men before they are killed. The 100 men didn't lose to 15 people hiding in cover until this weapon was invented.

TL:DR - if you want to make tactics comparisons, get them right. You basically compared Jade Quarry to Fort Aspenwood.

Edited by G L J, 03 January 2013 - 03:32 AM.

[Impmon]

G L J, on 03 January 2013 - 03:26 AM, said:

I'm sorry to be that guy (actually, I'm not); but the United States suffered nearly twice the total casualties as the British in the American Revolutionary War. The vast majority of which came in the early years of the war when they were forced to use the tactics you described (small skirmishing) because the British Army was decimating the U.S. army in almost every engagement. Yes, they did call it not fighting properly, but they didn't lose because of the superior tactics of the revolutionary army. Near the end of the war the revolutionary army was meeting the British army in european line fighting with a few key differences (like having people using kentucky long rifles to snipe officers).

The British didn't lose the war because of their tactics on the battlefield, they lost the war because their supply lines were cut off by the French and Spanish Navies and outside intervention forced them to focus the majority of their troops elsewhere.

The line volley and charge tactic was used by almost every western standing army until the first world war. The concept of line volley and charge didn't fall out of use because it was impractical. It was actually one of the only practical ways to organize large numbers of soldiers in a battle. That's why General Washington was so desperate to teach him men how to line fight, remember Valley Forge? It wasn't until the advent of the machine gun that line charges became completely ineffective; and even then, the Chinese used it to great effectiveness in the Korean War.

100 people fighting in a line will not lose to 15 people fighting from cover; The 15 men may escape while inflicting casualties, but it was impossible for the 15 men to bring to bear enough firepower to actually stop the 100 men before they are killed. The 100 men didn't lose to 15 people hiding in cover until this weapon was invented.

TL:DR - if you want to make tactics comparisons, get them right. You basically compared Jade Quarry to Fort Aspenwood.

Thanks for that long diatribe which had nothing to do with what I said.  My point was the British considered that style of fighting "CHEATING"  which I clearly said by not being there when they were.  But go on babbling about history on a game forum since its probably about the only place it will be of use to you

[DeagarFA]

Impmon, on 03 January 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

Thanks for that long diatribe which had nothing to do with what I said.  My point was the British considered that style of fighting "CHEATING"  which I clearly said by not being there when they were.  But go on babbling about history on a game forum since its probably about the only place it will be of use to you

Just take your ass kicking like a man.

[DreadlockrastaGW]

G L J, on 03 January 2013 - 03:26 AM, said:

I'm sorry to be that guy (actually, I'm not); but the United States suffered nearly twice the total casualties as the British in the American Revolutionary War.

nuh uh man, I learned from "The Patriot" that we kicked British ass. 'MURICA!!!!!!!! USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

[Sunto]

Just read this news on PRX website :

Quote

"Seafarer's Rest is now the #1 ranked server in the European time zone.  This is the first time the server has been ranked #1 and it is the first time, world-wide, that a medium population server not only defeated a very full population server (two of them in fact in Elona and Vizunah) but also takes the top spot.  We are extremely proud of our server-mates and am thankful to fight by their side.

54 wins, 2 losses and never a 3rd place finish. 37 tier 1 wins and 7-1 in Europe."

Just for your information, dear Professionals, Arborstone did it in week 43 Vs Vizuna and Elona.

So sorry for you but you're not the first.  You have just to change your news now

[Genev]

Wasn't SFR high/full by the time they managed to get to t1, too?
I remember there was a discussion on that before christmas that they were doing their usual "medium pop" boasting and several people went "Erm, no you're not, i jsut looked/tried to transfer and it was high/full"

[Phoebe Poison]

Of course they were, they went back to medium when the servers' capacity was increased around this 'show gw2 to a friend' event iirc.
But this doesn't matter, because SFR's lack of PvE population doesn't make them an underdog, it never have. Lack of night crew, sure, but server population has absolutely nothing to do with WvW population.

[Sklurb]

NCLTDS, on 02 January 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

Holiday's are an excuse to be lazy 90% of the time.

90% of all statistics are made up....50% of the time.

[RawNG]

50% of statistics are made up..  90% of the time

[PvPD00R]

You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time. But you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

- Honest Abe.

[Dashel]

"Use the force, Harry"
-Gandalf

[PvPD00R]

A friend just told me he heard they were now moving to JQQ. Anyone confirm this?

[EvilSinzGW2]

'The Professionals' moving to JQ.