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[PvPD00R]

SoS is more then PRX. While they provided good cover of a map for 12-14 hours, and would lend assistance to other maps. SoS will be fine. SBI and JQQ seem content to sit in 2nd and 3rd, swapping between the two. No other guild has left, so it just means a little less coverage during certain hours than there otherwise was.

I wish PRX luck in the EU world. I am sure the PvDoor will give them a break from real WvW and who knows where they may end up in another month or two. Maybe they will go to a T6 server and see what they can do.

If they are able to help an EU server from 4th to 1st, that would be slightly impressive. Now if SoS were to finish second or third this week, then that would be a statement on the value of PRX truly had for SoS, but I just do not see that happening now. To many other good guilds on SoS, and with what many see as a betrayal (I am not one of them), the SoS guilds have even more reason to stomp face.

Overall I think PRX was irrelevant to the success of SoS, and SoS would have made the accent to #1 without them. Though this week truly will tell the tell of PRX, either they will be pushed into the history books as irrelevant, or they will be shown to be a force that helped SoS remain #1.

In and earlier post I had mentioned how both JQQ and SBI fell out of #1 after three weeks. This is SoS's 4th week. If the pattern holds true we lose. Or, we break the pattern and will have held the #1 spot the longest since HoD.

[TokenDeadGuy2]

chuckles79, on 08 December 2012 - 03:47 AM, said:

Stop getting excited friends on JQ and SBI, while SBI seems to use WM and it's affiliates as a crutch, PRX was simply icing of our cake; not the whole freaking bakery.

I am omniscient and can see the future.  "Hi guys this is Chuckles and I left SoS to continue riding on the coattails of others when the going gets tough."

[Bina]

Try something new sometime guys maybe you will like it.

EU servers are a lot different that NA servers, countries fight have pride etc, the fighting styles are different too.

Or you can stay and have the same stale fight vs the same server week after week, it is not like it cost anything to experience something new.

How many times will SoS vs JQ vs SBI happen with SoS winning every week?

Edited by Bina, 09 December 2012 - 03:02 PM.

[Beastgate]

I dunno, I remember when Ruin moved to Desolation and became #1, the former first place server Vizunah Square got really angry because of Ruin just night-capped everything and they couldn't really do anything about it. I figure the only real battle PRX will get in a EU server is against other NA guilds that moved there.

[Shiren]

Xenesis, on 08 December 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

Seriously? That was basically all of what was said in the open letter on halloween week to SOS when SOR pulled a quick one on us to cap everything on the halloween event patch to pull a huge turn around lead on us. Highly doubt it was repeated "over the past few weeks" since we've been winning every week for the past two months. Sounds like words for when we're losing...

I believe the post was pointing out they said they were going to make SoS their home and wouldn't abandon it. Many people would see leaving the server after a couple of months (I don't think there were here for that long even) as abandoning it, regardless of their reasons.

Another important part of the post is PRX pointing out that they themselves knew they couldn't carry a server to tier one. They strategically chose SoS because of the Oceanic presence. PRX doesn't have the force to hold maps 24/7 so they needed a server with a population to cap and hold during the off hours (they also needed the other NA guild to contribute in the same way PRX did). That's why they chose SoS as it was commonly known as the oceanic server.

Xenesis, on 08 December 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

They kept donated siege..... you wanted them to destroy them before moving? or stand around calling out in lions arch to give them back?

SoS has a tradition of porting people up the EB jumping puzzle, especially on the final day of the match (when we know we've won) to get as much siege as possible. We do this with the intention of boosting our siege numbers so we are fresh, full stocked and ready to compete at our best starting shuffle day. PRX was taking siege donations during our end of week preparations for the following match up (there were several guilds in the JP collecting siege donations on this day) so PRX was taking a piece of the pie when they were knew they were not going to contribute it to the server in the following week. It's a small gripe to have and I don't really care (although I personally wouldn't take siege donations from a server the day before I ditch them), I wanted to clarify what happened. Most people don't care and those that do find it to be a very minor annoyance. The general feeling of the server atm is a determined focus to do what we've done every other week and compete our best in WvW. So far it's going very well and this weekend has been no different from every other weekend when we had PRX.

PvPD00R, on 09 December 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

Overall I think PRX was irrelevant to the success of SoS, and SoS would have made the accent to #1 without them. Though this week truly will tell the tell of PRX, either they will be pushed into the history books as irrelevant, or they will be shown to be a force that helped SoS remain #1.

The only thing that would tell that story is an alternate version of history. PRX isn't the only variable that has changed this week. Some guilds have burnt out (on all three servers), some commanders are taking time off, others are pumped up and the competition and metagame has evolved from what it was when we were first in tier one. We are also heading into holiday season which means all maps on all servers will be getting more 24/7 coverage than before. It would be impossible to accurately pinpoint the reason why any change in the server performance takes place this week. With all the possibilites and no true control to compare with, all you can do is guess and speculate.

[Brass Lion]

PRX are classy fellows and I'll miss them on our side - although I have a suspicion that SoS might see them on the battlefield again.

[Beastgate]

Brass Lion, on 09 December 2012 - 08:54 PM, said:

PRX are classy fellows and I'll miss them on our side - although I have a suspicion that SoS might see them on the battlefield again.

Nope, they transferred to a EU server. Unless they transfer back to NA, then none of us will be fighting with or against them again.

[elithrar]

Beastgate, on 09 December 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Nope, they transferred to a EU server. Unless they transfer back to NA, then none of us will be fighting with or against them again.

That's exactly what he implied.

[Beastgate]

I dunno, it must be hard to repeatedly transfer a 500 member guild...

[Pusha]

Beastgate, on 09 December 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

I dunno, it must be hard to repeatedly transfer a 500 member guild...

Lol.  You think there are actually 500 active members? Lol.

[Combat Medic]

I'm sad to see PRX go as I think they were welcomed with open arms to SoS. There are definitely other guilds that brought something to the table when it came to WvW but PRX seemed to do it with class, mystery, and oddly enough; professionalism. I'm not saying the other guilds didn't, PRX just stands out in my mind more so than the others. I don't see them come here (or any site) and talk trash about players or guilds and they certainly don't demean the accomplishments and contributions of other guilds. Quite the opposite.

I asked myself many times what I would have done if I were the guild leader of a large guild playing in a game that had a dwindling population but the guild itself had accomplished much since launch. It was pretty clear that TA disbanding was probably one of the best things to happen to the competition so PRX making a move to EU servers to shake things up after what they've accomplished is bold and obviously needed by the guild. I can only imagine how much of a needed break this is for them. Look at how many of their commanders were leading in WvW reset, after reset, after reset and then to continue well through the night. Putting in countless hours, sacrificing family, friends, etc. to keep up the fighting. How anyone can possibly try and take that away from them is beyond me. That's either bitterness, envy, or flat out unwarranted hate, especially when they are confrontational where it matters and that's on the battlefield, not some forum.

In any case, I applaud them for their decision and really hope that if they do come back to the NA servers they know that they're still welcome on the Sea of Sorrows.

[hanso]

Beastgate, on 09 December 2012 - 05:45 PM, said:

I dunno, I remember when Ruin moved to Desolation and became #1, the former first place server Vizunah Square got really angry because of Ruin just night-capped everything and they couldn't really do anything about it. I figure the only real battle PRX will get in a EU server is against other NA guilds that moved there.

There are no larger NA guilds in EU brackets. So there'll be no opposition at east or west coast prime time. They'll do the nightcapping that RUIN did for Desolation, before they quit the game.

[Impmon]

Bina, on 09 December 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

Try something new sometime guys maybe you will like it.

EU servers are a lot different that NA servers, countries fight have pride etc, the fighting styles are different too.

Or you can stay and have the same stale fight vs the same server week after week, it is not like it cost anything to experience something new.

How many times will SoS vs JQ vs SBI happen with SoS winning every week?

I did, I transfered to NSP for about a week.  There was almost nobody online at the time and I was pretty much solo in wvw watching Ruin who had xfer'd to desolation pvd00r empty keeps and camp the entrances all night.  Playing a euro server sucked.

[Beastgate]

Don't know why they transferred to a EU server then, my best guess is that they didn't want to be followed.

[Global_GW2]

Beastgate, on 10 December 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Don't know why they transferred to a EU server then, my best guess is that they didn't want to be followed.

I think it's pretty clear. It's a resume builder. It's one more thing they can add to the list of GW2 accomplishments if the WvW update sucks and they quit the game. If it doesn't suck they'll probably be back on a NA server.

[Sfuri]

Global_GW2, on 10 December 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

I think it's pretty clear. It's a resume builder. It's one more thing they can add to the list of GW2 accomplishments if the WvW update sucks and they quit the game. If it doesn't suck they'll probably be back on a NA server.

I'm pretty sure you nailed it. It looks like they want a break and are probably ready to leave GW2 as there seems to be no fixes for the glaring problems that exist.

I know my guild had over 100 active players less then 2 months ago. Now we will be lucky to have 10 log in on a Sat night. Of the 10 almost all just log on to try and do their part but it is more like a job than a game at this point.

[SwinkySwanky]

I am usually a lurker of the forum, never a poster but wanted to put my two cents in today.   It's interesting to see that SoS has so far stepped up this match in the absence of such a presence like PRX.   Dare I say that by PRX making the move to the European server that it has made T1 more competitive in NA?   It seems it was a smart move not only for them, but for the people that are still on SoS since they are now having to stand on their own two feet and not on the coat tails of their super star PRX.      Overall though, I wish them luck and it is sad to see what is arguably the #1 NA guild leave the NA servers for other adventures.    I suppose that's what it took though for SoS to find themselves; surprised they aren't more grateful for it.

I can't say I'm totally sad to see them go as it's nice not to get face rolled every time I see one of them on the map.   lol

[J E R I C O]

SwinkySwanky, on 11 December 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

  It seems it was a smart move not only for them, but for the people that are still on SoS since they are now having to stand on their own two feet and not on the coat tails of their super star PRX.

we never depended on prx

[Hennet]

The fact that this thread was made is just stupid. So what a guild left  a sever. One server cannot depend on a single guild to carry them. There are some servers that do (this is showing for SBI and WarMachine) and SoS appears to be doing just fine without PRX. If they win this week good job to them, they deserve to be here.

[SwinkySwanky]

J E R I C O, on 11 December 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

we never depended on prx

It's pretty difficult to think that isn't true; they are the top NA guild and probably the largest still playing the game so it's obvious there was some dependency there.

We'll see if SoS is for real.  IMO, anyone can play hard for one week but will SoS be able to handle it for back to back weeks?   We shall see.    At the end of the day, it seems that SoS guilds that remained are finding out what it truly means to be in T1 and are enjoying themselves, so that's a plus.

[Chromatos]

SwinkySwanky, on 11 December 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

We'll see if SoS is for real.  IMO, anyone can play hard for one week but will SoS be able to handle it for back to back weeks?   We shall see.

I'm pretty sick of this. The last three weeks' wins didn't count because PRX was carrying us. This week doesn't count because we're trying extra hard to prove ourselves. The next three weeks won't count either because of Winter's Day, Christmas and then New Year's.

[MrZero]

Chromatos, on 12 December 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

I'm pretty sick of this. The last three weeks' wins didn't count because PRX was carrying us. This week doesn't count because we're trying extra hard to prove ourselves. The next three weeks won't count either because of Winter's Day, Christmas and then New Year's.

Welcome to tier one. None of your wins count and the trolls from other servers can tell you weekly the reason why.

[Cyril]

More overhyped Americans coming to Europe, should be just as funny as RUIN. Will you guys actually fight and not hide on keep walls ?

[DreadlockrastaGW]

hanso, on 10 December 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

There are no larger NA guilds in EU brackets. So there'll be no opposition at east or west coast prime time. They'll do the nightcapping that RUIN did for Desolation, before they quit the game.

This, and afterwards they will claim superiority in a game that in the end, totally depends on coverage.

Edited by DreadlockrastaGW, 12 December 2012 - 03:19 AM.

[DeLLy]

Cyril, on 12 December 2012 - 02:32 AM, said:

More overhyped Americans coming to Europe, should be just as funny as RUIN. Will you guys actually fight and not hide on keep walls ?

Who overhyped Ruin?

Way to group Americans under one blanket statement as if Europeans would be any better.

[InterSlayer]

Oh man I was only off by about a week on the next round of Tier1/2 transfers.

It's okay SoS... HoD and ET need a buddy in their bracket when they finally settle.

Edited by InterSlayer, 12 December 2012 - 06:31 PM.

[Biome]

InterSlayer, on 12 December 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

Oh man I was only off by about a week on the next round of Tier1/2 transfers.

It's okay SoS... HoD and ET need a buddy in their bracket when they finally settle.

I guess you're still bitter that SoS stomped you back in tier 2... IoJ will be down there with ET and HoD long before SoS falls. If you haven't noticed SoS is stilling winning in tier 1 without PRX.

[InterSlayer]

Biome, on 12 December 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

I guess you're still bitter that SoS stomped you back in tier 2... IoJ will be down there with ET and HoD long before SoS falls. If you haven't noticed SoS is stilling winning in tier 1 without PRX.

Didn't HoD stick around in Tier1 for like 3 weeks after TA broke up?

I doubt SoS's plummet will be quite as slow and humiliating.

jk calm down. SoS will be fine. They were a good server before the transfer shenanigans and will probably remain so afterwards.

Edited by InterSlayer, 12 December 2012 - 07:17 PM.

[Biome]

InterSlayer, on 12 December 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

Didn't HoD stick around in Tier1 for like 3 weeks after TA broke up?

Yeah because their rating was so high it took a few weeks for them the drop out. If you check the final scores after the TA breakup you will notice HoD got wrecked in tier 1.

13-20OCT
JQ - 451K
SBI 135K
HoD 48K

SoS is still winning in tier 1 without PRX and no other guilds have indicated they are leaving, so saying that SoS will fall like HoD/ET is ridiculous.  

[Jae Sun]

Stick around?  Yes.  Have any meaningful points? No.  The guilds left on both ET when Ruin left and HoD when TA left tried to hold it together for about a week before moving to other servers like SoS, Blackgate, and IOJ.