In going through my alt characters earlier today... well, yesterday now seeing its nearly 2 am, I came across an interesting line in the Durmand Priory personal storyline Bad Blood:
<Character name>: Look at this place! It must be tremendously old. Centuries, even.
Magister Sieran: Older than that. The dwarven civilization lasted for more than two thousand years, and this might be one of their first structures.
As many, if not all, lore delvers know by now, the dwarves were among the five sentient races to face and survive the Elder Dragons during their last rise. If this last rise truly did occur in 10,000 BE, then Sieran's statement feels grossly out of place. Sieran's a bit exccentric, but she's no idiot, so she'd know how old dwarven civilization lasted - and seeing how it ended in 1078 AE, 2,000 years prior would be 922 BE. That's nearly 9,000 years off from what we've been told to be the case by the Priory. So why "two thousand years" and not "ten thousand years" - two letter difference ends up making a huge gap in dates.
Given that the dwarves had tools, organization, and writing back during the last Elder Dragon rise it's unlikely they didn't have civilization then. This leads to four likely possibilities in my opinion:
- Dwarven civilization collapsed after the Elder Dragon fall, but restarted sometime between 1922 BE and 922 BE (reason why I make this range is because from 1922 BE on Sieran would be more likely to say "three (or 4, 5, etc.) thousand years"). This I find unlikely as there's far too many dwarven records and artifacts surviving from the Elder Dragons' rise for a "dark age" in dwarven civilization - not impossible, but unlikely.
- Sieran's wrong about the date, or it was a typo in development.
- The Giganticus Lupicus were already extinct during the previous rise of the Elder Dragons, and they in fact were killed of two or more cycles ago.
- The estimation for the GL's extinction is wrong. After all, we don't know the basis for this estimation or who made it.
1769 BE The Forgotten arrive in Tyria.
Originally, we were told that the forgotten were brought to the world by the Six Gods. And we were given this date, supposedly in relation to this notion. However, in GW2 we learn that the forgotten were among the five races that fought the Elder Dragons during their last rise. This placed a shadow of doubt on that original claim (and I myself began wondering if it were the other way around given the forgotten's devoutness to the Six Gods) - but nothing ever stated that the forgotten weren't brought to Tyria by the Six Gods either.
Given that we're told dwarven civilization lasted "over 2,000 years" but not "over 3,000 years" and this date so nicely fits within that very same timeframe that the dwarven civilization would have begun, perhaps there's still truth to the old claim and timeline date.
Of course, this would imply the Six Gods and even humanity were around during the Elder Dragons' last rise. This both does and does not make sense. If one were to assume the Elder Dragons are limited to and around continental Tyria - that there truly were only six Elder Dragons and they all remained mostly around the main continent, the Six Gods could have came to the world and brought the forgotten and humans there and while the humans were away from the conflict, the forgotten (and possibly the Six Gods though I find it unlikely) were in conflict with the Elder Dragons. If this is so, then it may explain why there's a Giganticus Lupicus acting as a Temple Guard in Arah if their extinction wasn't in 10,000 BE but rather closer to ~1,600 BE and the gods were present during this time.
Another peculiarity to me comes from Historian Angelina of the Priory:
"Early pre-imperial era? What? That can't...oh, I'm sorry. Did you need something?"
"That can't" ... what? For reference (and avoiding the wiki page), she's researching the Elder Dragons too - obviously in relation to Cantha. The only thing I can think of from "that can't" is "that can't be right" given the wording. The interesting bit about this is "Early pre-imperial era" - the only year we have in correlation to this era is 10,000 BE. If that can't be right, why not? And if it's not "right" that should finish her interrupted thoughts, what is? The rest of her dialogue, when talking to characters of the Priory, is about the Elder Dragons going through cycles - so as this stands, I can only assume she's stumbling upon a second previous cycle of the Elder Dragons. That, or a Canthan Elder Dragon.
As things stand given the above lines, I'm inclined to believe the following:
- Either the Giganticus Lupicus did die around 10,000 BE, but not during the last ED rise; or they died during the last ED rise, which was far more recent than 10,000 BE.
- The previous ED rise was in about 1,700-780 BE (I cannot fathom it being after the establishment of the Empire of the Dragon, however if their rise was much closer to it than we thought, maybe there's a reason why its named such).
- The Six Gods were around for the last ED rise, but most likely didn't know of Zhaitan's resting place (after all, Arah was where Glint was freed from her corruption - it would be odd if the forgotten brought her to Zhaitan's front yard to free her of corruption).
- This would also explain why while the Six Gods arrived on the world at Arah, humanity thrived in the south - they were taken to away from the Elder Dragons. Though it begs the question of what the Six did in relation to the Elder Dragons if this is so.