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#1 TGIFrisbie

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:01 PM

or be as good a game as I thought it would be, or I would like it to be.

The developers/producers behind this game are NOT from the original Guild Wars crew.  That is it in a nutshell.

I mislead myself into thinking this would be a follow up to GW1.  I mislead myself into believing it had the same great team behind GW1.  This game has proven to be nothing but a theft of title and a theft of lore.  This was used to wrap around a different game, different entirely.  Different from design and implementation, different from core philosophy.

They do not even have Guild Wars in this Guild Wars game.

How fail can that be?  How obvious can that be that this is NOT Guild Wars.  This is the use of a franchise name to sell a different item, crutching on the previous items success in order to sell units.

I could go on and on and on about how this is a huge issue for me.  I will get "told" by replies how it is a great game, how it is the exact game soandso wanted.  Most of the adopters of this game did not play Guild Wars 1 in the first 2 years.  Many didn't play it at all.  These are all happy to have some weak attempt to break into the MMO market, try to steal subs away from WoW and others.  When you put this "MMO" up against them, it just doesn't cut it.

Like I have said a few times in the past, it will take 2 years for this game company to look back and reveal they too agree they took the wrong path.

This is yet another lesson in how to fail at something inspite of all the potential success it had.  The number of players will never met the number the game had during the first month.  Most MMOs do not peak that soon, sadly after a month the reality set in.  This simply isn't Guild Wars.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:07 PM

I mostly agree with you, but sincerely, devs should be making games that will not please them, but please the players. I was reading all the bombastic stuff devs unloaded before release - I am so excited, We are so happy, I am thrilled, etc.. Real thing is - are players happy, excited and thrilled? I guess not...

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:09 PM

Ok, I am not entirely sure, but I think a thread with this exact premise and point has been up tons of times before.

Should that be the case: Please don't make a whole new thread based on your own opinion. Your opinion is not so special that you deserve your own thread.

Should it not be the case: Yeah, it's a different team, but isn't it bad to view the original team as something special? When you have expectations of the godly, the slightest sign of mortality would completely shatter the illusion. Plus, this game has already been praised to the sky both before and after its release for its innovative design and its good gameplay, so I don't think it's as bad as you want to make it seem. That being said I agree it has problems, but as if GW ever was a perfect game as well.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:11 PM

I guess I don't exactly understand the part of where you were "mislead" into buying the game. I think this game has a lot of issues and I played GW1 since the beta was out so of course I am disappointed in some of the directions they went with this game. However, when I was reading up on GW2 and what it offered I was never under the impression it would be "GW1 with better graphics" or whatever your assumptions were. I knew exactly what I was buying when I preordered this game.Did you just not watch the videos or read up on the game? I mean, all of this information was already out there before the game went live. Why complain about the core aspect of the game at this point?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:11 PM

The good developers left which has hurt the game very badly, huge shame.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:12 PM

Would be cool to know what the OP had for breakfast today.


A++ will read again

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:12 PM

View PostHybrid, on 14 December 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

I guess I don't exactly understand the part of where you were "mislead" into buying the game. I think this game has a lot of issues and I played GW1 since the beta was out so of course I am disappointed in some of the directions they went with this game. However, when I was reading up on GW2 and what it offered I was never under the impression it would be "GW1 with better graphics" or whatever your assumptions were. I knew exactly what I was buying when I preordered this game.Did you just not watch the videos or read up on the game? I mean, all of this information was already out there before the game went live. Why complain about the core aspect of the game at this point?

Precisely.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:13 PM

Then dont play. Problem solved.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:14 PM

If you don't like it you don't have to play it... I did play GW1 from the beginning, even played the beta for the 1st one. I for one don't feel deceived because i followed GW2 since its inception and knew what i was getting into and from my point of view this more than cuts the mustard and feel it can very much compete and win in a battle of mmos.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:22 PM

http://guildwars.com/
Its still there, if you want it so badly. You write wall of text whining how its not guild wars 1 so if really all you want from game is to be just guild wars then there is such game already.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:25 PM

cool story bro,

thanks for letting us know about your feelings

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:25 PM

Honestly this forum is beginning to look like a social group for grumpy old men!

No it's not GW1....and why should it be?

I enjoyed GW1 a great deal, its a fantastic game, however GW2 is definitely more my flavour in terms of how much more ANet can do technically speaking.

Edited by ~PolarisNova~, 14 December 2012 - 06:26 PM.


#13 jonasklk

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:28 PM

You can just ignore Guild wars 2 then ;)

GW2 is only story wise related to GW1.


To be honest i would take GW2 over GW1 any day since i just prefer the gameplay in 2.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:29 PM

GW2 is what Anet envisioned GW1 would be, plus a PvE world and working economy. You must not have known about GW1 before release, but all Anet wanted to do was create WvW, that's what GW1 was supposed to be with random missions thrown in there to get people used to how the game played. They couldn't get WvW (the real guild wars) to work and their art shift further limited their funding so they never made what they really wanted to make and had to create more PvE because it's easier than an intricate new game mode they couldn't get to work for years and it's what people wanted. GW1 was a series of cutbacks and comprimises yet people became so accustomed to it they prefer "GW lite" over the actual original vision plus a working world. GvG in GW1 was capture the flag with guild tags, it came nowhere close to the GvG the devs talked about pre-release, which was far more like WvW with far more players involved, which was to be the main game mode. To cover their comprimise they created a lore event as the guild wars.

Nowhere did any dev state GW2 would be a retexture of GW1, in fact nearly all their comments were about how they learned from mistakes in GW1 and were going to change things to try to avoid the same mistakes or how they wanted to use systems differently in innovative ways. It's hard to believe anyone that read anything about GW2 would think it would be a simple reskin of GW1 outside of sheer denial.

There's tons more to do in GW2 than there ever was in GW1, unless all you really want to do is log in and farm the same thing over and over GW1 has no appeal. That just speaks to the nature of people, they'd rather see a broken system continue because they've already mastered it than see actual change. Anet did make one major mistake again, they overestimated the ability of the playerbase to understand simple hints, like being able to join multiple guilds means you should usually have people to play with. It seems people just prefer to shove tradition in anywhere they can and complain the game is broken or the devs failed when it provides resistance.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:30 PM

Nice blog. Keep it up.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:30 PM

View Post~PolarisNova~, on 14 December 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:


I enjoyed GW1 a great deal, its a fantastic game, however GW2 is definitely more my flavour in terms of how much more ANet can do technically speaking.

You mean 10 fps zerg events that look like slideshows on high end pc's? :P

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:32 PM

View PostHybrid, on 14 December 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Did you just not watch the videos or read up on the game? I mean, all of this information was already out there before the game went live. Why complain about the core aspect of the game at this point?

And that is the problem.  Watching all those videos will give you the impression that it is a different game than it is now.  No, better not watch those videos.

Edited by Daesu, 14 December 2012 - 06:36 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:35 PM

So, in a nutshell, the OP took the game for what it was never advertised. Oh ho.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:36 PM

Sweet!  Another blog post!

The game is far from perfect right now, but I think some people keep forgetting one key thing... the game we are playing now was never meant to be the first game with prettier graphics.  That should have been quite obvious to anyone that took the time to do a little research before purchasing the game.  I hear they keep making the mistake of giving people refunds after insane amounts of time.  Try getting one if you're so unhappy.

GW1 is still up and running and going back is also an option.

Edited by Strawberry Nubcake, 14 December 2012 - 06:39 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:36 PM

I was too horny on guild wars 2 before its release 2 years ago. I even bought guild wars 1 and every expansion and got a pretty darn good guild too. I played with them for that time, and I was playing with them in GW2.

BUT... As much as I don't want to realize it, this game bores me. I don't know what it is, that's causing me to stop playing. But I've dropped in playing hours daily and I've completely stopped playing. Maybe it is every little thing about the game that feels undone/buggy/unfair that makes me this way, but, GW2 just isn't fun to me anymore after 3 months. Sorry. :(

#21 TGIFrisbie

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:40 PM

View PostSword Hammer Axe, on 14 December 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Should that be the case: Please don't make a whole new thread based on your own opinion. Your opinion is not so special that you deserve your own thread.

I feel warm and fuzzy knowing you are here to police the forums.  I mean, dare someone state an opinion!  If you don't like a post, do not read it.  If you don't like a band, do you listen to them just so you can complain about them?  Same with TV?  Move along maybe?

I don't read all the threads on this forum but I am again, warmed and over joyed that you do, so you can point things out like you have.  We need more police on the internet.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:42 PM

View PostKrazzar, on 14 December 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

GW2 is what Anet envisioned GW1 would be, plus a PvE world and working economy. You must not have known about GW1 before release, but all Anet wanted to do was create WvW, that's what GW1 was supposed to be with random missions thrown in there to get people used to how the game played. They couldn't get WvW (the real guild wars) to work and their art shift further limited their funding so they never made what they really wanted to make and had to create more PvE because it's easier than an intricate new game mode they couldn't get to work for years and it's what people wanted. GW1 was a series of cutbacks and comprimises yet people became so accustomed to it they prefer "GW lite" over the actual original vision plus a working world. GvG in GW1 was capture the flag with guild tags, it came nowhere close to the GvG the devs talked about pre-release, which was far more like WvW with far more players involved, which was to be the main game mode. To cover their comprimise they created a lore event as the guild wars.

Nowhere did any dev state GW2 would be a retexture of GW1, in fact nearly all their comments were about how they learned from mistakes in GW1 and were going to change things to try to avoid the same mistakes or how they wanted to use systems differently in innovative ways. It's hard to believe anyone that read anything about GW2 would think it would be a simple reskin of GW1 outside of sheer denial.

There's tons more to do in GW2 than there ever was in GW1, unless all you really want to do is log in and farm the same thing over and over GW1 has no appeal. That just speaks to the nature of people, they'd rather see a broken system continue because they've already mastered it than see actual change. Anet did make one major mistake again, they overestimated the ability of the playerbase to understand simple hints, like being able to join multiple guilds means you should usually have people to play with. It seems people just prefer to shove tradition in anywhere they can and complain the game is broken or the devs failed when it provides resistance.

I quite agree with you, although I did enjoy Guild Wars quite a bit, but I must say, I've never before heard of that first part you're talking about. The part about GW2 having been the vision for GW since the beginning. As far as I've known, GW2 wasn't even talked about until Nightfall had been released.


View PostTGIFrisbie, on 14 December 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

I feel warm and fuzzy knowing you are here to police the forums.  I mean, dare someone state an opinion!  If you don't like a post, do not read it.  If you don't like a band, do you listen to them just so you can complain about them?  Same with TV?  Move along maybe?

I don't read all the threads on this forum but I am again, warmed and over joyed that you do, so you can point things out like you have.  We need more police on the internet.

Let clarify what I meant, since it could be just me having been too vague with what I said: I meant to say that if there are already threads about this, then you should have used the search function to find that thread and necro it. If you've already searched and couldn't find it, honest mistake. If you did and there really was nothing, then the "should that not be the case" part of my reply was my actual reply. If you didn't and didn't know about the search option, honest mistake too.

But the moderators here constantly battle with new threads about topics that there are already loads of. That's why they constantly close threads and direct people to the other ones. It's not to censor or police I said it, it's just to say that you should post these things in the already existing threads and not just open another one of them because you want your opinion to quickly reach people on the forum. That is all.

Edited by Sword Hammer Axe, 14 December 2012 - 06:53 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:43 PM

View PostStrawberry Nubcake, on 14 December 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

I think some people keep forgetting one key thing... the game we are playing now was never meant to be the first game with prettier graphics.

What is this game titled as?  Is it Tyria MMO?  Is there Guild Wars in this Guild Wars game?

Countered.

You have been playing a money grab, title and lore used to sell a product in no other way associated with the previous yet using a "2".  Ever go watch a movie with a "2"?  Was it completely different than the first?  New plot, new characters, unassociated, etc.?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:45 PM

View PostBlixcoe, on 14 December 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

Maybe it is every little thing about the game that feels undone/buggy/unfair that makes me this way, but, GW2 just isn't fun to me anymore after 3 months. Sorry. :(

Same here, I only play nowadays when someone plays with me.  Nothing more worth doing in this game and gold is really tight so getting far out things like legendary is too far out to be fun.  There is just not a lot of social elements in this game.  Even GW1, which has a reputation of being a "solo" game, has more social elements than GW2 has.

Edited by Daesu, 14 December 2012 - 06:48 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:46 PM

I must agree that you did mislead yourself.  Don't blame the Devs or anyone else, but yourself not all games are for everyone.  The Devs have already stated that GW2 is not going to be exactly like GW only for the title and lore and a few other similar things.  I knew that it was not going to be excatly like the original and so did many other people.  It's sad that you had to set yourself up for disappoinment.  Don't purchase something on mere assumptions it won't do you any good.

Edited by Catiine, 14 December 2012 - 06:47 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:46 PM

View PostTGIFrisbie, on 14 December 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

What is this game titled as?  Is it Tyria MMO?  Is there Guild Wars in this Guild Wars game?

Countered.

You have been playing a money grab, title and lore used to sell a product in no other way associated with the previous yet using a "2".  Ever go watch a movie with a "2"?  Was it completely different than the first?  New plot, new characters, unassociated, etc.?

Teen Wolf Too?
The Fly II?

Edited by MazingerZ, 14 December 2012 - 06:47 PM.

It's okay to enjoy crap if you're willing to admit it's crap.
Every patch is like ArenaNet walking out onto the stage of the International Don't Kitten Up Championship, and then proceeding to shiv itself in the stomach 30 times while screaming "IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD! IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!"

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:47 PM

View PostTGIFrisbie, on 14 December 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

What is this game titled as?  Is it Tyria MMO?  Is there Guild Wars in this Guild Wars game?

Countered.

You have been playing a money grab, title and lore used to sell a product in no other way associated with the previous yet using a "2".  Ever go watch a movie with a "2"?  Was it completely different than the first?  New plot, new characters, unassociated, etc.?
Go read the lore again.

Counter... countered.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:49 PM

View PostStrawberry Nubcake, on 14 December 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

Go read the lore again.

Counter... countered.

Go read where I stated the tite and lore were taken and wrapped around a new game, then get back with the sarcasm and perhaps reading comprehension +1.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:52 PM

Seriously, if the OP is responding in this thread he/she should really clarify how the hell the "misleading" happened. It's completely beyond me how someone can create a thread like this and not feel slightly ridiculous.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:53 PM

View PostBlixcoe, on 14 December 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

I was too horny on guild wars 2 before its release 2 years ago. I even bought guild wars 1 and every expansion and got a pretty darn good guild too. I played with them for that time, and I was playing with them in GW2.

BUT... As much as I don't want to realize it, this game bores me. I don't know what it is, that's causing me to stop playing. But I've dropped in playing hours daily and I've completely stopped playing. Maybe it is every little thing about the game that feels undone/buggy/unfair that makes me this way, but, GW2 just isn't fun to me anymore after 3 months. Sorry. :(

You don't need to apologize if you feel this way you don't owe anyone an apology.  You find the game boring that's great I find the game boring sometimes too.  I find all games boring if I spend too much time playing I have been playing for 4 months on and off and i still haven't completed my full exotics.  It is the only game I play when I have time.  

It is impossible for me to play a game 3-5 months straight.
I am as broke as **** but that's because I have issues saving i always buy things I don't need not just in GW2 but in all the other ones that I've played.

You should take a break and play something else that seems more fun to you.

There are some things that i don't like either, but other games are the same way too.  I miss being a healer is a major one another is i can't dress up my character really cute.  Another major one for me is I don't feel different from other mesmers I feel the same.  Don't feel that special feeling I would have as a healerXD

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