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[Killminusnine]

Beastgate, on 17 December 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

You're forgetting the most important factor: the snowballing effect. SOS has been first for almost a month now. The bandwagoners have all transferred there, thanks in part to some open-transfer periods. Essentially, the more they win, the more players they will get, the easier it is for them to win. Sort of like what happened to HoD before TA disbanded.

Which ones?

[Dark]

CalmLittleBuddy, on 17 December 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

JQ's 'attrition' is highly overestimated. Mid week, numbers will creep back up. And it's not a PvE thing. On Friday, after reset, everyone will be full steam ahaead again. Don't you worry.

Oh, and thanks SoS and SBI for the badge farm on SoS BL when we kept restarting the breakout event and y'all kept running in (both sides) to kill the NPC Commander. I made 12 badges in 10 minutes. That dude may not know crap about taking a tower, but man he makes us hard to beat in the open.

Np. Cya in the mid week.

[Beastgate]

RidRip, on 17 December 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

Where are you getting this from? I haven't seen any bandwaggoning guilds here. Can you name at least one?

Never mentioned the word guilds in my post.

DreadlockrastaGW, on 17 December 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

People join, and then join guilds that are on the server already, this is kinda common knowledge...

Don't know why they are denying this fact. Usually the first place server complains about bandwagoners plugging up queue times, but I guess WvW population has gotten to a point where that is never a problem.

[Jedbacca]

Well, regardless of what numbers these other servers put up. We'll just keep finding ways to stomp a mudhole in their asses. Seems to be the only solution I can come up with..

[MrZero]

Jedbacca, on 17 December 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

Well, regardless of what numbers these other servers put up. We'll just keep finding ways to stomp a mudhole in their asses. Seems to be the only solution I can come up with..

Isn't mudhole an euphemism for *? Are you saying that we are going to stomp and asshole in their asses? OMG you are saying the other servers ,some posters aside,  have no *s currently!! No wonder they are full of shit!!

Strike Force, Giving analectomies to alleviate constipation, one zerg at a time.

[CalmLittleBuddy]

Yeah, because SBI has been stepping in our shit for weeks.

[Jedbacca]

MrZero, on 17 December 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

Isn't mudhole an euphemism for *? Are you saying that we are going to stomp and asshole in their asses? OMG you are saying the other servers ,some posters aside,  have no *s currently!! No wonder they are full of shit!!

Strike Force, Giving analectomies to alleviate constipation, one zerg at a time.

We have plenty of surgeons on staff

CalmLittleBuddy, on 18 December 2012 - 12:03 AM, said:

Yeah, because SBI has been stepping in our shit for weeks.

When you find my boot, just throw it away, I'll buy new ones..

[MrZero]

Jedbacca is in the EB jumping puzzle. He claims nobody can make it past him and his small group. The gauntlet has been dropped.

[Dark]

MrZero, on 18 December 2012 - 01:23 AM, said:

Jedbacca is in the EB jumping puzzle. He claims nobody can make it past him and his small group. The gauntlet has been dropped.

Dont encourage people -__-

[MrZero]

Dark, on 18 December 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

Dont encourage people -__-

Don't encourage them to have fun?

[chuckles79]

I'm coming to fully understand T1 fatigue.  The only interesting question really left in T1 WvW is if/when are they going to do something about thieves jumping over walls and capping towers single-handedly?

Of course, since buffing thieves is the default response to all problems over at ANet, look for them to completely break WvW  by allowing thieves to hookshot allies to them.  Siege will become obsolete LOL

[FriendlyFire]

Catching up on the thread:

As great as it is to be Tier 1, if being Tier 3 meant diffrent server match ups, more often, I would want that.

In regards to last Friday, even if JQ had won, SoS would still have the same, possibly more, motivation this week. SoS has what it takes to stay #1 in Tier 1.

After reading the forms, I strongly feel the Third place Server should drop a Tier and the First place sever should move up.

Also addressing server transfers to SoS. With how stale the match ups are, it is unreasonable to not consider the bandwagon transfers to SoS.  There really is no reason to have server loyalty or pride, as you can see by the Guilds that leave Tier 1.  If I was a betting man, I would bet SoS has the highest pecentage of new WvW transfers than any other server.

Edited by FriendlyFire, 18 December 2012 - 06:28 AM.

[Cirus]

FriendlyFire, on 18 December 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:

Also addressing server transfers to SoS. With how stale the match ups are, it is unreasonable to not consider the bandwagon transfers to SoS.  There really is no reason to have server loyalty or pride, as you can see by the Guilds that leave Tier 1.  If I was a betting man, I would bet SoS has the highest pecentage of new WvW transfers than any other server.

I think that this is a myth that has perpetuated on the forums.

WvW has changed, it doesn't have people bursting into it and put into hours of queues like the old days. The bandwagon is really weak and they are generally not noticed at all in WvW. The server is no stronger with them, nor is it any weaker without them. Most of the bandwagoner transferers have probably quit the game and have moved onto the next big thing.

The bandwagoners that come over do stand out though. They generally enter WvW, tell everyone else what to do and just say really stupid things, and then they highlight their experience of being on every tier 1 server as some sort of credibility, they're just ignored and laughed at.

Edited by Cirus, 18 December 2012 - 06:51 AM.

[Cirus]

And the reason that I say that it's a myth is because, whenever a server loses, they have some people that try to justify the loss on the forums. They do it to make themselves feel better about it by trying to bring the winner down by accusing it of all sorts of things. Some examples.

X server is only winning because of PRX (or TA)
X server is only winning because it's stacked
X server is only winning because it has more coverage
X server is only winning because they're cheats and exploiters
X server is only winning because we're burned out/pveing/having a break/quit the game

The truth is though, that Sea of Sorrows entered tier 1 as an underdog, we were tipped to lose and would get sent back out the same way that Blackgate did. The bandwagon was not on board, and we lead the final day of the match up with a solid 40-50k lead.

Edited by Cirus, 18 December 2012 - 06:45 AM.

[Beastgate]

You're right, SoS won because they are all better human beings than the rest of us.

I guess that's what you wanted to hear.

Edited by Beastgate, 18 December 2012 - 06:48 AM.

[Cirus]

Beastgate, on 18 December 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

You're right, SoS won because they are all better human beings than the rest of us.

I guess that's what you wanted to hear.

Winning a game doesn't mean someone a better human being, it means they've won a game

There are hundreds if not thousands of factors that contribute to the WvW score. You can't just isolate one thing and then pin point all of the reason onto that. Ultimately, it's the battlefield that has the final say in all of these matters.

Every server that has won tier 1 has had all of the excuses that I've highlighted thrown at them, even the servers in all the other tiers as well. It honestly shouldn't be that hard to accept a result and move on from it.

[Taram]

Cirus, on 18 December 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

And the reason that I say that it's a myth is because, whenever a server loses, they have some people that try to justify the loss on the forums. They do it to make themselves feel better about it by trying to bring the winner down by accusing it of all sorts of things. Some examples.

X server is only winning because of PRX (or TA)
X server is only winning because it's stacked
X server is only winning because it has more coverage
X server is only winning because they're cheats and exploiters
X server is only winning because we're burned out/pveing/having a break/quit the game

The truth is though, that Sea of Sorrows entered tier 1 as an underdog, we were tipped to lose and would get sent back out the same way that Blackgate did. The bandwagon was not on board, and we lead the final day of the match up with a solid 40-50k lead.

I agree with what you say.  SBI and JQ didn't take us seriously.  However, we will lose one day, and when we do, there will be people on our server making the same excuses.  It is just the nature of the beast.

[Beastgate]

To be fair, I wouldn't even consider population/coverage an excuse, it's just how WvW works. Look at the EU side for example, they were fine and dandy until NA guilds moved there and started messing everything up by night-capping. Ruin moved to EU and got their server to #1 easily. PRX moved to Seafarer's Rest and now it's tier 1. Just goes to show EU WvW doesn't have as many players compared to NA (this should be obvious), so even one NA guild moving to a EU server can make a huge difference.
Everything except for #4 on the list you wrote is pretty much the same thing: population. Cheaters and exploiters (every server has them, pointing fingers won't get you anywhere) make very little difference overall.

WvW score is just population battle. Most players and guilds realize this already and just play for fun. If you want to display superiority over other players, then sPvP should be your thing.

[Cirus]

Taram, on 18 December 2012 - 07:24 AM, said:

I agree with what you say.  SBI and JQ didn't take us seriously.  However, we will lose one day, and when we do, there will be people on our server making the same excuses.  It is just the nature of the beast.

Yep, when we were 25k down to SBI, there was a number of SoS posters making excuses. "we're taking a break"

[coronbale]

Beastgate, on 18 December 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

You're right, SoS won because they are all better human beings than the rest of us.

I guess that's what you wanted to hear.

YESSSSSs!  New slogan for WvW "Come play WvW, if you win, your a better person!"

Taram, on 18 December 2012 - 07:24 AM, said:

I agree with what you say.  SBI and JQ didn't take us seriously.  However, we will lose one day, and when we do, there will be people on our server making the same excuses.  It is just the nature of the beast.

There will be people who are sore losers, just like we have sore winners.  Im betting you will see the same people who are talking smack because they are winning will be the same ones who make the excuses when we lose.

Look to the server leadership to see how we as a server will handle a loss!  When we win, we GG and accept the good and the bad in stride.  When we lose, we will GG and learn from our mistakes, work out our problems, and try harder the next week.

The leadership on SoS is why we are winning, not the random crap talking pugs.  They show up 2x a week, pew pew, and come on here asking how you like that whoopin they handed down to you.

Were not TA, we know how to take a loss, we have taken losses, and we have learned to bounce back from them.  Win or lose, we will be here havin fun!

[Tsong Mang]

coronbale, on 18 December 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

Were not TA, we know how to take a loss, we have taken losses, and we have learned to bounce back from them.  Win or lose, we will be here havin fun!

TA never lost. They went something like 30-0 then disbanded

Why do you continually try to put down the achievements of others ?

[Jedbacca]

According to Charlie Sheen I'm always WINNING!

I can sum things up for everyone
SoS - Managed to close the gap in coverage and have current healthy rosters that can field more currently.  That's a good thing not only for their server, but for all servers.  If there's no one to fight, we all become sad pandas and not log in to the game right?
JQ - Ups and downs of coverage due to a wide plethora of reasons
SBI - Same thing as JQ

Yet, if you are analyzing scores over an elapsed time in T1, which one of our servermates just so happen to do.  You would notice that the point spread at this time has been relatively close.  If you are feeling out numbered, I wouldn't feel bad.  This will probably insult my SoS mates, but if you look at the overall stats, and you feel as though your population is lower, according to this, your teams out there on JQ and SBI are doing a damn fine job with whatever numbers they have.


So, quit bitching about SoS having soo many people even if you are outmanned.  Your teams out there are doing a bang up job on with holding whatever they got and hopefully still enjoying the game given the current lack of updates that will come in due time.

[elithrar]

IRT a few posts/a page or so back: I don't understand the desire to want different opponents. If you think Blackgate or SoR will bring vastly different tactics, I think you're subscribing to a bit of wishful thinking. Chances are JQ|SBI|SoS will stomp them so hard due to tier 1 experience & coverage that they (understandably) will struggle for numbers and you'll be more bored than you might be now.

[coronbale]

Tsong Mang, on 18 December 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

TA never lost. They went something like 30-0 then disbanded

Why do you continually try to put down the achievements of others ?

I have no idea what in that statement lead you to believe I was putting anyone down.  Re-read before posting plz

[Oxram Ironbrow]

Beastgate, on 18 December 2012 - 07:33 AM, said:

PRX moved to Seafarer's Rest and now it's tier 1. Just goes to show EU WvW doesn't have as many players compared to NA (this should be obvious), so even one NA guild moving to a EU server can make a huge difference.

lmao, you need to look at the match history, Seafarer's Rest was kicking the crap out of T2 BEFORE PRX joined the server.

Edited by Oxram Ironbrow, 18 December 2012 - 12:56 PM.

[DeLLy]

Oxram Ironbrow, on 18 December 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

lmao, you need to look at the match history, Seafarer's Rest was kicking the crap out of T2 BEFORE PRX joined the server.

Not sure if you did your homework or not, but most EU servers will say T1 is a totally different beast than Tier 2 and lower. Somewhat similar to NA.

If you check scores in past WvW matchups it appears SFR has been getting better and better for the past month and got to the point ovf nearly doubling the scores of Tier 2.

Now in tier 1 they are 35k or so ahead of the next server, much closer than they've been in Tier 2. Losing points in between NA and Euro primetime.

Are you going to say with 100% certainty that if PRX wasn't there the score would pretty much be the same? If so, why does any server need night coverage?

Edited by DeLLy, 18 December 2012 - 02:13 PM.

[CalmLittleBuddy]

Hi,

How is everyone? Good good. No no, I'm fine. Fine. Doing alright here. Behind like 60,000 points. Fine. Thanks for asking. Everything is just great. Really.

Anyways, on to my thoughts about the pasy 15 posts.

1. Someone said JQ and SBI didn't take SoS seriously. Actually, we did. We watch the T2 matchups closely. Back in 'the day', we even sent folks over to the new power servers as transfers. We scouted. The only server that caught us off guard was Blackgate. And that was when turtling and portal bombs weren't seen often in WvW. We took them very seriously after that. When SoS came up, we were ready for anything. Were we overconfident? Not really. But we were surprised at the organization and population of SoS.

2. Someone said that the bandwagon effect is a myth. No it's not. It WAS real. Now, though, most of the bandwagon has moved on to other games entirely. Oh, there's maybe a handful of players still doing it, mostly from dead servers, but the primary wave of SoS bandwagoners came in two parts. The first infusion was when they hit T2. The second was after their first T1 victory. When they do lose, those folks will bump one more time to another server. But it's such a small number, and at NA Primetime. Makes little difference now. I'd say the exodus of PRX certainly balances the bandwagon out.

3. Sore losers, poor winners exist on every server. Unfortunately ALL of them have forum accounts. No one (well, almost no one) rants to themselves that fiercely. People like that need an audience. It's hillarious that in WvW any ONE poster thinks wins and loses tie directly into their pride so much so that they have to make excuses or talk serious trash. As my father used to remind me, You are NOT that important. Having server pride is one thing. Having a personal stake in WvW that affects the quality of your personal interactions is quite another.

4. And lastly, most importantly.

Winning WvW definitely makes you a better person. In fact, I've heard that right after winning, each player experiences a flashback montage of their heroism with Tina Turner's 'Simply the Best' playing in the background. So awesome! Can't wait.

[ShabbyDude]

Pyraeus, on 17 December 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

To make things interesting, 1 server might drop down all the way to the bottum sending a server bumping shockwave to all the other tiers making a new difference for everyone! tier 1 - BG (the other 2) tier 2 - IoJ TC SoR
tier 3 CD FA YB Tier 4 Mag EB BP and meh for the rest...
1 change at the top makes a whole chain of things to the others. would help
(not pointing fingers at any server at top.)

There is a push being made for Ehmry Bay to be the next server.  Certain guild has gotten 4+ guilds to transfer there.  You heard it here first.

[ShabbyDude]

Cirus, on 18 December 2012 - 07:14 AM, said:

Winning a game doesn't mean someone a better human being, it means they've won a game

There are hundreds if not thousands of factors that contribute to the WvW score. You can't just isolate one thing and then pin point all of the reason onto that. Ultimately, it's the battlefield that has the final say in all of these matters.

Every server that has won tier 1 has had all of the excuses that I've highlighted thrown at them, even the servers in all the other tiers as well. It honestly shouldn't be that hard to accept a result and move on from it.

To be honest, you really didn't get to T1 without help from guilds such as PRX and DiE transferring over 7-8 weeks ago and having other guilds following.

[Moorecore]

Sometimes, I think the collective attitude of the forum posters is terrible. I have never whined or boasted in any game its always been about having fun. When i was on DB at launch our homeland was entirely capped and everyone lost moral and quit i stayed with two other guys and hunted them and picked off stranglers. I will never stop fighting and i will never give excuses all i want is a good fight and as long as i get those i am happy. I was on JQ for a lot of the Betas and a lot of those guilds are very kind and polite and its nice to play them. I don't know SBI guilds in particular but it actually made me sad when LoD quit that was one of the best guilds i have seen in this game. I think we should work on mutual respect and having fun in the good sport of fighting T1 guilds. People say T1 is stale or it is boring? WvW is what you make it and if you don't like how it is being done you need to become more active in your server community to make a change. Even if your a smaller guild just find another guild to coordinate with and just see what sort of strats you can come up with. Its your own creativity and thinking that makes WvW fun and new.