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[PandaGeist]

I've been stalking the forums for awhile and I'm wondering why there so many people on here that have nothing but bad things to say about gw2. I for one think Anet has done a good job at giving us a good dependable game.

[Tyrant Crimson]

Guild Wars 2 Guru community is the GW2 version of SPUF.

[RipJack]

Thank you for sharing my opinion. This game is amazing when you use your head, hell my engi is explosively fun and the asura are the best race i've played in any mmo!

[jonasklk]

You ever heard of that the Monkey's usually scream the loudest :]?

[Asteria Rose]

We're a game forum, meaning there are 3 types of people:

The Good: They have criticism, but they also appreciate the overall quality of the game. Nothing to complain about.

The Bad: This person chews on their fingernails waiting for responses for a living. Generally pessimistic, this forum-goer likes to attack other people's comments and make fun of Justin Beiber and other unrelated topics on a daily basis. Though called out several times, he doesn't care because work starts at 8 and they, 'Like, think sleep is totally useless lol #yolo'.

The Ugly: This person is somewhere in between the ranks of belly button lint, a floor made of legos, and a 4 week old lasagna casserole with green beans and mushrooms. They attack forums with everything bad about the topic, and will not rest until they make everyone feel like a pile of dog crap. Which they can't do. They'll suck life out of a game, in this case, GW2, and regurgitate it into words that are probably scrawled onto satan's forearm as his list of insults.

So there you have it. The forums of every MMORPG and game in general ever played.
Good luck out there, you're gonna need it.

Edited by Asteria Rose, 15 December 2012 - 12:34 PM.

[PandaGeist]

Eh I was just wondering lol I mean putting your 2 cents in I get but saying you hate a game then continuely posting on the forums that you hate it I don't lol

[beadnbutter32]

Paid posters just doing their job.  Heck, this entire website is a thinly disguised PR subcontractor to Anet.  The new customer relations manifesto they operate under is "the customer is always wrong" coupled with "we know best".  Criticize anything about this game and open yourself up to personal attacks and general harassment.

Maybe there would be less negativity if Anet did not release half baked, buggy content.

Edited by beadnbutter32, 15 December 2012 - 12:54 PM.

[this a pointed]

PandaGeist, on 15 December 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

Eh I was just wondering lol I mean putting your 2 cents in I get but saying you hate a game then continuely posting on the forums that you hate it I don't lol

Welcome to the internet.
However, most people expected the game to be different. Like Anet said the game would be..

[sty0pa]

I'd put it down to:
- a crazy-dedicated base of GW1 fans that assumed GW2 was going to be exactly whatever they dreamed it would be
- a very long development time, allowing a lot of people to join the bandwagon
- ANet's marketing department run amok implying lots of things that ultimately haven't (yet) been developed in any meaningful way: home zones, town clothes, character story, etc, etc.
- trolls; because the fanbase is so full of idealists, they're easy and amusing to troll.

[Kattar]

beadnbutter32, on 15 December 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

Paid posters just doing their job.  Heck, this entire website is a thinly disguised PR subcontractor to Anet.  The new customer relations manifesto they operate under is "the customer is always wrong" coupled with "we know best".  Criticize anything about this game and open yourself up to personal attacks and general harassment.

Maybe there would be less negativity if Anet did not release half baked, buggy content.

You realize the OP is saying the opposite of what you're saying.

This is why forums are bad: people already have their own opinion and are convinced that they are correct. They won't listen to any kind of reason that goes contrary to their own because their reasoning is correct, so why bother listening to a different view point. Case in point, the response I just quoted.

That, coupled with poor reading comprehension and the inability to think outside our own little world makes every MMO forum crap eventually.

It's not just this community, it's all of them.

[Kirk]

I personally have no complaints about this game, yes there are bugs but they're to be expected.

People who complain generally set their expectations too high, I set mine high and the game didn't completely meet my expectations but I'm completely satisfied with the game and have no issues.

Now although I have no issues with the game itself, I do have issues with the gem store and how the costumes and miniatures are distributed being: Event miniatures are account bound and there is no costume vendor like Guild Wars 1 which is why I have bought a total of zero costumes while in Guild Wars 1 I bought all of them, I think they're hoping people will buy costumes and buy a storage pane for them I would prefer to buy a personal vendor or something so I can store them indefinitely.

[Khlaw]

I love how, if you actually enjoy the game, you're a "fanboi".  I know I've always been one myself.  I'm basically a sheep who blindly supports random corporations, and responds with factless pre-programmed responses whenever anyone criticizes the game.

That's why I'm excited to hear about this program whereby I can apparently get paid for my efforts!  Where do I sign up?

To the OP: this is the nature of the beast.  In my decade or so of online gaming, the majority of the forums I've seen pump out a level of hostility and criticism that make you wonder why anyone is playing, and can drive you to think that your game is dying.  About all you can do is ignore it, and decide for yourself whether its a good game or not.  Forums have their place, and there are some incredibly good discussions about valid issues with the game to be found, but just like when you channel-surf the TV, you have to flip past a bunch of unwatchable garbage to find things worth your time.

Edited by Khlaw, 15 December 2012 - 04:03 PM.

[HawkofStorms]

this a pointed, on 15 December 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

Welcome to the internet.
However, most people expected the game to be different. Like Anet said the game would be..

I expected the game to be different.

The community on the other hand....


Seriously, I think in a thread called "your biggest concerns with GW2" post before the game launched, all I said was "the community."

[Rielesh]

I complain about game a lot. Why? Because I been watching this game for years and I am sad with direction they are heading while loving game they created.

original forums are like prison ...
let me give you example yesterday there's been this one guy I don't remember his nick he posted 3 post long topic feedback about pve, guilds and what anet did wrong and how should they fix this ... this was really well written and constructive. name of that topic was something like What Anet did wrong and how can they fix it? .. guess what? it was deleted in 10m probably because of name what anet did wrong ...

I got 3 infraction in 1 day there ... reason trolling second was lying and 3 was something like flame on mods?

trolling was because I posted link to most viewed topic about bugged outdoor drop rates (about 35k views and 1000 replies but with no Anet reply) saying that this game is forcing you to fractals while leaving whole orr contested and no under flow or whatever will help if there is no reward ( with today patch that boosted fractals even more and with no fix to champions and vets I believe this even more)

I used to be raider in wow (top 10 guilds in world at tbc) I done so much dungeons in my life that I never want to do that anymore EVER
this game was marketed as no grind do what you want ...  while lost shores force you to grind dungeons not only because they are ascended items there but outdoor drop is soo nerfed that I can't even get 1 rare per 3 hours ... and that used to be 5 - 6 in 1 hour at orr

so again I am negative because I love this game I don't want it to fail but every time I look at some post replies or new patch I feel they are heading same route as swtor (that game is pay 2 win now )...

This patch today is really great I love collectables tab etc etc

but then when I look at gem store as mini collector and see them account bound and only obtainable with RNG  "gifts" I really wonder what Anet is thinking
I am happy to spent 2000 gems every second month that is about 10 euro / month just like subs
isn't 2000 gems enough to get few pixels do I need to spent 10000 gems every second month to get complete collection ?
I could farm any mini in WoW or buy almost any in GW1 why GW2 is so different and all about money money and even more money
you needed to buy Halloween minis twice then lost shores added them to drops so I was really happy but now you can't even buy minis but only RNG chest hoping for luck ... and again you need them twice if you want all + quagan pet


so here is summary why I am so negative ....

I love game I hate this new direction that game is heading full of grind and rng slowly changing gem store to swtor pay 2 win model ...

Edited by Rielesh, 15 December 2012 - 04:21 PM.

[Daesu]

Wise old ancient American saying: "The wheel that squeaks the loudest gets the grease." - Josh Billings

If you don't feedback to ArenaNet they won't know what we want.  They are not psychic.

If you want ArenaNet to give you what you want, rather than what they think you want, then you should let them know what it is you really want.

I wish everyone would debate on the issues rather than resort to personal attacks and name calling.  Perhaps the average age of posters here is very young.

Edited by Daesu, 15 December 2012 - 04:39 PM.

[talliwackr]

Rielesh, on 15 December 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

I complain about game a lot. Why? Because I been watching this game for years and I am sad with direction they are heading while loving game they created.

original forums are like prison ...
let me give you example yesterday there's been this one guy I don't remember his nick he posted 3 post long topic feedback about pve, guilds and what anet did wrong and how should they fix this ... this was really well written and constructive. name of that topic was something like What Anet did wrong and how can they fix it? .. guess what? it was deleted in 10m probably because of name what anet did wrong ...

I got 3 infraction in 1 day there ... reason trolling second was lying and 3 was something like flame on mods?

trolling was because I posted link to most viewed topic about bugged outdoor drop rates (about 35k views and 1000 replies but with no Anet reply) saying that this game is forcing you to fractals while leaving whole orr contested and no under flow or whatever will help if there is no reward ( with today patch that boosted fractals even more and with no fix to champions and vets I believe this even more)

I used to be raider in wow (top 10 guilds in world at tbc) I done so much dungeons in my life that I never want to do that anymore EVER
this game was marketed as no grind do what you want ...  while lost shores force you to grind dungeons not only because they are ascended items there but outdoor drop is soo nerfed that I can't even get 1 rare per 3 hours ... and that used to be 5 - 6 in 1 hour at orr

so again I am negative because I love this game I don't want it to fail but every time I look at some post replies or new patch I feel they are heading same route as swtor (that game is pay 2 win now )...

This patch today is really great I love collectables tab etc etc

but then when I look at gem store as mini collector and see them account bound and only obtainable with RNG  "gifts" I really wonder what Anet is thinking
I am happy to spent 2000 gems every second month that is about 10 euro / month just like subs
isn't 2000 gems enough to get few pixels do I need to spent 10000 gems every second month to get complete collection ?
I could farm any mini in WoW or buy almost any in GW1 why GW2 is so different and all about money money and even more money
you needed to buy Halloween minis twice then lost shores added them to drops so I was really happy but now you can't even buy minis but only RNG chest hoping for luck ... and again you need them twice if you want all + quagan pet


so here is summary why I am so negative ....

I love game I hate this new direction that game is heading full of grind and rng slowly changing gem store to swtor pay 2 win model ...

So your "need" to collect all the mini pets is creating a pay 2 win model ? This is why we can't take the whiners seriously. And your posts on the forums were probably deleted because there were already plenty of topics to post in.

[Rielesh]

Daesu, on 15 December 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

Wise old ancient American saying: "The wheel that squeaks the loudest gets the grease." - Josh Billings

If you don't feedback to ArenaNet they won't know what we want.  They are not psychic.

If you want ArenaNet to give you what you want, rather than what they think you want, then you should let them know what it is you really want.

well if  they want feedback they need to kick their forum moderators first
if their moderators delete / merge / infract every question every suggestion or feedback except thank you I love u anet best game zomg evaa ...

then they can't get that feedback I seen so many constructive posts deleted just because they said Anet did wrong this and this is how should they fix it ... mods delete something like that because Anet did nothing wrong ever don't you know?


talliwackr > its not my need its something I like to do and I was able to do and I am unable to do because I am not going to spent my salary on pixels

some people play for RP or for collecting minis, minis where huge part in gw 1 so just because you play this game for PVP or any other reason do not mark other people whiners grow up... I know about 10 people who loved rp and moved back to gw 1 / wow just because every time anet add something to RP its paid costume or paid mini so they moved back to other free games and those are people that pays the bill not hardcore pro raiders or pvprs that cares about numbers and not skin ...

Edited by Rielesh, 15 December 2012 - 06:01 PM.

[Daesu]

Rielesh, on 15 December 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

well if  they want feedback they need to kick their forum moderators first
if their moderators delete / merge / infract every question every suggestion or feedback except thank you I love u anet best game zomg evaa ...

then they can't get that feedback I seen so many constructive posts deleted just because they said Anet did wrong this and this is how should they fix it ... mods delete something like that because Anet did nothing wrong ever don't you know?

I find GW2 to be a lot more commercialized than GW1.  The emphasis for them is to keep a clean, good, cheery appearance of GW2 in their official forums.  Potential customers may decide to look into their official forums before buying GW2.  Gaining sales and revenue obviously holds a higher priority for them than customer feedback.

Edited by Daesu, 15 December 2012 - 04:42 PM.

[Zero_Soulreaver]

Is it negativity or is it just an interpretation?   I don't think people are being negative, I think many are just being vocal...if you agree or disagree with what they are saying that is up to you.  Is it negative if someone agrees with what these people have to say?

I don't get why everyone who considers themselves "positive" suddenly assumes every person but them hates the game.  In fact many people have been very constructive and I'm sure their is at least 1-5 people you can agree with in discussions such as these.  People just take these things for granted and get caught up in the discussion part, not seeing other viewpoints.

For every 1 "positive" person there are at least 3 others...same goes for "negative".  This whole "me against the world" attitude people have is silly especially when you have others who are the same as you.  Actually, that is exactly what is wrong with this game overall...

Edited by Zero_Soulreaver, 15 December 2012 - 04:47 PM.

[Trise]

Why so much negativity? Because too many people confuse negativity with criticism. Criticism is healthy, to a point. The better thought-out and realized/constructive the criticism is, the more useful it will be in improving the product. Negativity for its own sake, on the other hand, (i.e. complaining that you aren't as successful as you think you should be based on your own, completely unfounded, standards of success) actually hinders legitimate concerns and criticism from being realized by diluting it with bile.

Snarky answer: Because the Internet. I strongly suggest looking up the Penny Arcade "Greater Internet F***wad Theory".

Edited by Kattar, 15 December 2012 - 05:38 PM.

[this a pointed]

HawkofStorms, on 15 December 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

I expected the game to be different.

The community on the other hand....


Seriously, I think in a thread called "your biggest concerns with GW2" post before the game launched, all I said was "the community."

Agreed, most of the community is just.. awful.

[DuskWolf]

There's as much positivity as negativity and pure apathy. Not everyone has to like everything.

And... oh look, another "can i haz walled garden plz?" thread. Don't we already have a billion of these?

[Arquenya]

In my opinion there's generally 3 kinds of posters:

1. Grumpy cynics that fail to see anything good in GW2, mostly because some things were a major disppointment to them;
2. People that play the game and see it's not that bad but definitely not perfect al all;
3. Zealous fanbois that fail to see anyting wrong or room for improvement with the game at all;

Both 1) and 2) have criticism and yes, sometimes agree. I don't see criticism as a necessarily bad thing though. A lot of issues people have are completely valid imo and ANet also had its share of spreading false expectations.

[Resolve]

Asteria Rose, on 15 December 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

We're a game forum, meaning there are 3 types of people:

The Good: They have criticism, but they also appreciate the overall quality of the game. Nothing to complain about.

The Bad: This person chews on their fingernails waiting for responses for a living. Generally pessimistic, this forum-goer likes to attack other people's comments and make fun of Justin Beiber and other unrelated topics on a daily basis. Though called out several times, he doesn't care because work starts at 8 and they, 'Like, think sleep is totally useless lol #yolo'.

The Ugly: This person is somewhere in between the ranks of belly button lint, a floor made of legos, and a 4 week old lasagna casserole with green beans and mushrooms. They attack forums with everything bad about the topic, and will not rest until they make everyone feel like a pile of dog crap. Which they can't do. They'll suck life out of a game, in this case, GW2, and regurgitate it into words that are probably scrawled onto satan's forearm as his list of insults.

So there you have it. The forums of every MMORPG and game in general ever played.
Good luck out there, you're gonna need it.

I agree but the 3 types of posters can either like or dislike the game. So really there are 6 types.

There are just as many pro gw2 trolls as anti-gw2 trolls on here, that's why so many threads get ridiculous.

edit: and complaining about this community is seriously stupid. It's one of the better gaming ones, ESPECIALLY in-game where it actually counts. Some of you should play League of Legends, that community would drive you to suicide.

Edited by Resolve, 15 December 2012 - 05:37 PM.

[XPhiler]

There is a difference between criticism and negativity though. Think some people miss that. using rielesh post as an example. Saying that its a bad idea to sell minis via random chest is criticism. Very fair criticism even. Saying that because of this the game seems to be going pay to win is however negativity. Especially in light of what Trise explained already, this game has 3 main play types. PvE which is entirely co-operative. Nothing in PvE can ever be pay to win for you cant win anything against anyone. sPvP provides its own equipment making everyone equal to everyone else and WvW.   People seem to forget though that WvW isnt about 1vs1, its not even team vs team, its server vs server. Even if it was possible to give a player a statistical advantage, that player killing another player would not be any type of win what so ever. Short of introducing nukes in the game allowing a player to wipe out an objective solo there just cant be anything that can be considered pay to win in this game. Definitely mini pets dont provide any kind of win hence that argument is a form of negativity not criticism.

[Resolve]

Arquenya, on 15 December 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

In my opinion there's generally 3 kinds of posters:

1. Grumpy cynics that fail to see anything good in GW2, mostly because some things were a major disppointment to them;
2. People that play the game and see it's not that bad but definitely not perfect al all;
3. Zealous fanbois that fail to see anyting wrong or room for improvement with the game at all;

Both 1) and 2) have criticism and yes, sometimes agree. I don't see criticism as a necessarily bad thing though. A lot of issues people have are completely valid imo and ANet also had its share of spreading false expectations.

Actually yeah this is a more serious grouping. I guess I'd be somewhere between 1 and 2. Anet are listening to criticism and what people are saying so it's good to voice what we like/dislike. Xmas already has quite a few improvements over Halloween which is nice.

[Dasryn]

Daesu, on 15 December 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

If you don't feedback to ArenaNet they won't know what we want.  They are not psychic.

i agree, except:

this isnt the place to do it.  

Guru is a niche GW2 enthusiast forum that has garnered popularity because it is in every aspect better than the official forums.  Guru was at one point able to tote is fine community as another selling point for those interested in joining a GW related forum.

it is in no way a place that ArenaNet devs visit and spend time to investigate and hear out complaints against GW2.

ANet devs have posted and visited in the past, but it is in no way reliable or can be expected.  it just kinda happens from time to time.

if you want to be heard - you go to the official forums, hell even facebook, twitter and Reddit gets more attention than GW2Guru.

and here is my point:  because this is NOT a place to be heard by ANet developers, your complaints and "concerns" only create a negative atmosphere.  ive said this before.  you are only breeding discontent and thats why you get threads like these.  you are only making Guru look bad, and indirectly, you make GW2 look bad.  you are painting an inaccurate picture of the current true state of the game.

the OP says they ve been surfing the community and this is the kind of conclusion theyve come to, that the community is "negative".  

thats really sad

no longer can you log into Guru and expect a pleasant atmosphere.  and at one point you could.

Kattar, on 15 December 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

It's not just this community, it's all of them.

so does that make it "ok"?  i mean, i understand you dont want to stoop to nazism but to have your forum community turn this ugly?  for what? why?

this is a GW2 enthusiast forum, for a small percentage of GW2 enthusiasts to gather and build community.  all this negativity is splitting the community into to splinters.  many people have just quit the forums.

when are you going to draw a line?

[Swoopeh]

Rickter, on 15 December 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

i agree, except:

this isnt the place to do it.  

Guru is a niche GW2 enthusiast forum that has garnered popularity because it is in every aspect better than the official forums.  Guru was at one point able to tote is fine community as another selling point for those interested in joining a GW related forum.

it is in no way a place that ArenaNet devs visit and spend time to investigate and hear out complaints against GW2.

ANet devs have posted and visited in the past, but it is in no way reliable or can be expected.  it just kinda happens from time to time.

if you want to be heard - you go to the official forums, hell even facebook, twitter and Reddit gets more attention than GW2Guru.

and here is my point:  because this is NOT a place to be heard by ANet developers, your complaints and "concerns" only create a negative atmosphere.  ive said this before.  you are only breeding discontent and thats why you get threads like these.  you are only making Guru look bad, and indirectly, you make GW2 look bad.  you are painting an inaccurate picture of the current true state of the game.

the OP says they ve been surfing the community and this is the kind of conclusion theyve come to, that the community is "negative".  

thats really sad

no longer can you log into Guru and expect a pleasant atmosphere.  and at one point you could.



so does that make it "ok"?  i mean, i understand you dont want to stoop to nazism but to have your forum community turn this ugly?  for what? why?

this is a GW2 enthusiast forum, for a small percentage of GW2 enthusiasts to gather and build community.  all this negativity is splitting the community into to splinters.  many people have just quit the forums.

when are you going to draw a line?

You sir, are awesome

As for the question asked: people take positive things for granted while blowing up negative things to incredible proportions. A lot of it is due to frustration but sadly hyperbole has become the norm for communication on forums, especially game forums frequented by a lot of younger people (some of which haven't really mastered the knack for normal social interaction). Also people find strength in groups so if someone is frustrated they tend to flock to those who share their opinion and they tend to amplify eachother.

And then there's the fact that the human brain tends to simplify things to make them easier to understand - by design we tend to take the path of least resistance. We might choose not to when we think about it but the temptation is always there. This is what happens when there's a lot of black-or-white type of thinking - it's either an extreme but never in between while that is where balance lies. And that gravitation towards an extreme is what creates the hyperbole in the first place.

Edited by Swoopeh, 15 December 2012 - 06:28 PM.

[Resolve]

Rickter, on 15 December 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

i agree, except:

this isnt the place to do it.  

Guru is a niche GW2 enthusiast forum that has garnered popularity because it is in every aspect better than the official forums.  Guru was at one point able to tote is fine community as another selling point for those interested in joining a GW related forum.

You're remembering wrong. Before release the forums(gw2guru) were even worse in a way. Countless threads complaining about dyes, gem shop, reasons why the game would fail, performance issues etc. And the game wasn't even out so  a lot of it was just speculation and people were even more emotional/upset then.

[Dasryn]

Resolve, on 15 December 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

You're remembering wrong. Before release the forums(gw2guru) were even worse in a way. Countless threads complaining about dyes, gem shop, reasons why the game would fail, performance issues etc. And the game wasn't even out so  a lot of it was just speculation and people were even more emotional/upset then.

no i remember there were more constructive threads pre launch than after.  people were praising the game around BWE and yeah the speculation was mostly positive.  people were posting how they wanted their characters to look with concept art pictures and screenshots from released armor sets. . . dude, idk where you were, you joined up right around when i did.