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#61 Adam2190

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:46 AM

Simply because most people are more vocal about things they dislike.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:54 AM

Anet has allowed the main reason I enjoyed this game to die.

The only time I can enjoy GW2 is to get on during paid prime ques, and hopefully get into a team.

Even then the QP means nothing and there is really no longer a competitive platform other than a few teams farming QPs.

They need Custom Arean's, they need Obs mode, but instead they feed stupid events to PvE players and put not even 1/4th the effort into pvp.

I'm doing the same as many, to come back to this game when it has what I want, sad thing is I'm not sure that many will come back.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:46 AM

View Postbeadnbutter32, on 15 December 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

Paid posters just doing their job.  Heck, this entire website is a thinly disguised PR subcontractor to Anet.  The new customer relations manifesto they operate under is "the customer is always wrong" coupled with "we know best".  Criticize anything about this game and open yourself up to personal attacks and general harassment.

Maybe there would be less negativity if Anet did not release half baked, buggy content.

Where do I sign up to be a paid poster for Blizzard?

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 02:06 AM

View PostAdam2190, on 16 December 2012 - 12:46 AM, said:

Simply because most people are more vocal about things they dislike.
Translated: There's more constructive criticism to offer if something is riddled with flaws and bad design choices.

What this mindset doesn't realise is that people have as many reasons for disliking something as liking it. I've explained a good amount across a number of threads, most recently in the effort-to-reward ratio thread. And really, the more things they get wrong according to a person's logic, objectivity, and subjectivity, the more you'll find people offering their thoughts.

There are a number of huge flaws that I could highlight which would be relevant to this discussion, but perhaps the biggest is that GW2 goes for the lowst common denominator; In doing so, they don't really end up satisfying anyone, because they're trying to get everyone's money. If you have a game that tries to satisfy everyone, then you end up putting off most people. Targeting a game at a demographic and keeping a laser focus on them is the best way to retain customers and profits.

This is why niche games get cult followings, whereas mainstream games (especially MMOs) tend to be controversial.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 02:16 AM

View PostRickter, on 15 December 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

no its not, because its not productive.  your complaining isnt going to help the game at all.
Well define "helping the game"?

It's not that people that aren't 100% happy with the game's mechanics haven't posted extended lists of suggestions to improve it.
Just saying "it's all so great and I'm so happy" isn't really "helping" anything either, in my opinion.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 02:32 AM

View PostArquenya, on 16 December 2012 - 02:16 AM, said:

Well define "helping the game"?

It's not that people that aren't 100% happy with the game's mechanics haven't posted extended lists of suggestions to improve it.
Just saying "it's all so great and I'm so happy" isn't really "helping" anything either, in my opinion.

right.  i agree.  feathermoore really put things into perspective on the previous page.  guru isnt here for enthusiasts, isa discussion board, and criticism advances discussion.  i can respect that.  its all over for me now.  i was fighting a crusade that could never be won.  ive been trying to see what else this forum has to offer and i knew it before but i didnt practice that tyrian assembly is not all there is to guru.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:02 AM

@Arquenya

You are so right.

Calling for a walled garden where only people with rosy, beautiful words to say is allowed to speak is going to do nothing by alienate anyone. And that's what the fans seem to want. But that's shallow, hollow, it's nothing but platitudes. It's just... well, it would reduce us to a bunch of mindless drones.

"Isn't Guild Wars 2 lovely?"
"Yes it is."
"Such a lovely game."

Say it out loud and tell me it isn't shallow. Want to not be shallow? Take a good look at Guild Wars 2 and what you like. Really, just examine the merits of it. Try to hold back the desire to hold it up as the greatest game ever wot does everything right, that'll only lessen your post. But look at the parts that you want to see repeated in other MMOs, in future MMOs. Look at the parts you like, look at the parts you appreciate. I keep stating the importance of a laser focus, but do that. Make it a good first post.

Then ask others what they like. You might even get me posting in such a thread.

I've actually been tempted to make such a thread myself, to put aside the walled garden nonsense and do something positive which isn't just a hollow platitude. I just felt that coming from me, it might come over as sarcastic, as there aren't a great deal of things that apply to my tastes, and a whole slew of design choices. So the stuff I'd want to keep might seem odd to people, sarcastic even. So that's why I've not bothered with that. Still, I might even post in such a thread.

Instead of the GUILD WARS 2 IS BEST GAME EVER, NO ONE CAN DISAGREE, WALLED GARDEN stuff that we get every day, here. Try my approach instead? Figure out what really makes GW2 unique, what sets it aside from the average WoW also-ran, what really is an evolution. The things you'd want to genuinely see carried forward in future generations of MMOs. Not just lip-service, but honest to goodness opinions on the stuff it does right.

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Maybe keep it to one-to-three things, so that really zealous fans don't go gushing all over it like a shipper, thus devaluing the effort.

Edited by DuskWolf, 16 December 2012 - 05:05 AM.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:20 AM

View PostSchwarzseher, on 15 December 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:

The whole negativity made me quit so many forums. Guru is no exception sometimes because some special people who're on the official forums cry here to. I wonder why there're no NEW QQ about necros. Engineer's got it already. I generally look at all class forums because I occasionally play some of them and like to look at what other people think about their classes.
Elementalist is especially a place for crying and I even shed a tear after the EA nerf...but enough is enough TBH! There's enough negative on the official forums why spread it here?

One example how this negativity can affect someone(me in this example): I wanna play my necro but after reading all the crying I can't get myself to play it. If I were to look at other classes I'd read the same stuff that's why I am done looking at the official forums.
Which is in fact kind of sad because there're some quiet comprehensive threads for builds in SOME of them.

I think you not wanting to play a class based on someone elses opinion speaks more about you than these forums.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:04 AM

View PostKhlaw, on 15 December 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

I love how, if you actually enjoy the game, you're a "fanboi".

No, you're confusing yourself with a strawman argument.
Fanboi's are people who can literally see NOTHING wrong with the game, and resolutely refuse to consider that Anet may have made a mistake in planning, overpromised, or simply failed to deliver.  They're just the opposite end of the spectrum of people that complain incessantly about the game.  One can see no wrong, the other can see no good. They're BOTH wrong, but they're both such fanatics all they really see is each other.

My point is that it's intellectually disingenuous to claim that "everyone who enjoys the game is a fanboi (or is called one)".  That's simply not true.  I enjoy the game a great deal, but i could wax rhapsodic for at least a full single-spaced page about missed opportunities, poor planning, failed potential, undeveloped opportunities, and perhaps a hundred ways that this game could be made quite a bit more fun with relatively minimal changes in approach by Anet.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:34 AM

Hey guys. In not talking about people who are voicing their concerns but the people that say they hate the game and just look for posts saying a good thing about the game and then post that they hate it again. I'm not complaining I just didn't know why they did that. I love the game but its far from perfect. I dnt live in this walled garden lol just ask my wife I do a lot of complaining about gw :3

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:47 AM

I don't get ( and reading posts on this thread, seems others too) if the thread talks about why so much negativity on Internet (which seems to be 99% of the posts here) , pretending to copypaste using his words preconcepts of community, mmos and community negativity, interactions between users and forum's staff, or you truly want to know why there is so much negativity about gw2.
So, i'll try to answer you in the most "acceptable" way:
This game is a paid game. Excluding "daddy's kids" who can buy everything on sight, daddy pay, we customers when we choose and pay a product, we , posting on the company's main forum,  pretend support and company answers. Time by time, even 1 week later can arrive an answer, but still, a company who cares of his community and attempt to be a product worthy to be paid cannot ignore customers. Their main forum and this company do it.
Just look at the main forum. Filled of complains (90% are deleted and user banned, beware, the real appaerance would be way , way worst if wasn't "properly" digged under the sand). No answer by the company. Major malfunctions ignored.

On a tech side: i'm still waiting 1 single patch on this game not filled of bugs (new and old bugs retriggered).A bunchload of junk half written by a dev and throw online, like if this was a betatest server with paid employees. I saw this kind of junkmmo yet.. was f2p freetodownload games, usually junk soon forgot because of noob devs releasing trash over trash.
Why so many complains? Because there are loads of bugs, clearly visible and annoying even the strongest fanboy. His fanboyish attitude "Np, this game is great, next patch and everything will be ok, this game rule and anet rule" poofed away long ago even from their main forum. :mellow:

Lawyer side: this game have gambling content allowed to minors. A poker room allowing to use a credit card to play, removing the cashout into real money doesn't make the pokerroom magically legal to minors. You know why? Because worldwide gambling is not allowed to minors regardless if king and queen poker cards are the famous shape used on poker cards or mickey mouse one.
Me and an other user on the main forum gave a legal explanation about it, and what kind of damage can deal to minors a game gamble-based, on top, psychological damage and then addiction on future years.
This (and more explained on the main forum, posts not deleted) are enough to begin a sue and well, maybe even win and cashout quite a lot with a class action. Also, this game is sold as a fraud. It's still merchandised as a game free to enjoy, where gear is not here, where you log for the sake of the fun and cosmetics, not gear and numbers. A fake you discover later, when you buy the game and log.
Last but not least, refund system. An other fraud. Yes, the company can choose the terms of the refund, putting a limit: 1 week after your purchase, 1 month, 12 months, what ever. What cannot do is "invent" a rule not published and not perfectly clear and readable to the customer from when is active. You now wonder: if there are so many legal points so valid to ask way more than a refund, why people don't rise and burn their offices? Simple answer, i never see a sheep drive a car, do you? :zzz:

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 18 December 2012 - 07:16 AM.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:21 AM

I doubt anyone who saw my posts a few months ago would have accused me of being a GW2 hater. However they have failed to add depth to PVP beyond dps spamming and its just a Zerg. They failed to capitalize on the very pve systems they put in place and have opted to trash all of that and do what they said they were not going to do. Now I see topics asking why they even have DEs when they are just going to make fractals for progression loot grinding later on. They promoted themselves as an Esport they cant even do RvR and make it interesting, how are they going to make a successful Esport. Not to mention on top of how utterly boring the pvp spec options are, dps or dps, hmm dps, the pvp mats are god awful. They have all these talented people and they manage to make pvp maps that feel ike 4X4 boxes. I played better maps on N64 playing Perfect Dark and you know I am right.

I mean I was optomistic and took up for the game but it seems to be built for a 2 month dead end. As soon as we all figured out how to spec and had all the combo fields, specs, other combos and synergies down, you quickly realize the so called hybrids are all heavy dps with accents, roaming, zerging and Bunker. I don't care what logic you come up with, pvp built around 95% depedendy on pure dps is a shoot out and I can just Play Halo if I want that.

Chances are by the time the next expansion is out Necromancers will still be broken, vampirism will still be utterly useless and Rangers still won't use shouts, they will ignore or just scrap the DEs they had in mind and do more fking fractals because everyone of course wants more phat lootz.

I love it when people say you are not playing GW2 right, like its their fault the game is boring as hell, ITS BORING. Its just that simple, the game is boring as hell. There is not a nice way of saying the game puts me to sleep. It doesnt have to be that way but GW2 has ignored all the interesting aspects of the game that are either broken, bugged or underpowered, etc. and just adds crap none of us wanted in the first place. Christ even the gear grinders who wanted 20 man raids a few months ago think its sucks, they dont know what the hell kind of game they want to be, and you can tell.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:46 AM

the main reason is that anet thinks they are always correct and customers are always wrong
Arenanet is acting like a dictator and facist. i want to support lucas' statement that they censor the crap in the official forums. Of course all the flame threads were removed but what about the 'game bugs report, unhappy customers who want to have their view'. And they call USA democratic and freedom of speech....

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:53 AM

Just a smart PR choice, they know the massleaving would be immense (bigger than the actual one, and rofl, people truly believe with a smile Anet made servers bigger allowing more population, they truly don't get Anet just refreshed the real status haha :D ) and new customers wondering "wt.. what is this junk, i'll call Paul telling him he's an idiot, suggesting me this game to waste money, such a jerk" :mellow:
After all, we all know the truth must be well hide, or even the sheep learn to drive :zzz:

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:54 PM

View PostMinu, on 16 December 2012 - 05:20 AM, said:

I think you not wanting to play a class based on someone elses opinion speaks more about you than these forums.
I don't think so. It's just super annoying if you read something like that over and over and over again.
Don't assume without knowing. Same I did in the past and that's why I do not frequent the official forums anymore and do whatever the hell I want(btw love me necro :P ).

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 02:48 PM

I have trained myself to not spend more than a few min top half an hour reading this forum( tyrian assembly).
The thing is that after 600 hours i still like the game..and reading the numerous threads here will actually make you think theres something wrong with you for enjoying your time in gw2.
Also i have noticed that the same people that have been whining about everything sinece launch are STILL here or well most of them.
The thing is that taking part in a long conversation with them will just make you lose your time cause they wont agree they are wrong even if its  the most obvious and easy to prove thing in the world.
For example OP read this and tell me if you can seriously have a conv with this guy

View PostLucas Ashrock, on 16 December 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

Lawyer side: this game have gambling content allowed to minors. A poker room allowing to use a credit card to play, removing the cashout into real money doesn't make the pokerroom magically legal to minors. You know why? Because worldwide gambling is not allowed to minors regardless if king and queen poker cards are the famous shape used on poker cards or myckey mouse one.
Me and an other user on the main forum gave a legal explanation about it, and what kind of damage can deal to minors a game gamble-based, on top, psychological damage and then addiction on future years.
This (and more explained on the main forum, posts not deleted) are enough to begin a sue and well, maybe even win and cashout quite a lot with a class action. Also, this game is sold as a fraud. It's still merchandised as a game free to enjoy, where gear is not here, where you log for the sake of the fun and cosmetics, not gear and numbers. A fake you discover later, when you buy the game and log.
Last but not least, refund system. An other fraud. Yes, the company can choose the terms of the refund, putting a limit: 1 week after your purchase, 1 month, 12 months, what ever. What cannot do is "invent" a rule not published and not perfectly clear and readable to the customer from when is active. You now wonder: if there are so many legal points so valid to ask way more than a refund, why people don't rise and burn their offices? Simple answer, i never see a sheep drive a car, do you? :zzz:


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:40 PM

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Good for you. I complain because I find GW2 infuriating. That's not to say I hate it - because I don't. I was, without doubt, one of the most passionate people about the game. I still yearn to love it. It's just that it's squandered potential. Even if you just look at the concept art and then look at the half-arsed in-game implementation, which leans towards ugly (largely because of the ridiculous amount of character and environment clipping), then... yeah.

It depresses me because they clearly only did what they felt they had to do as a bare minimum. Other MMOs have dealt with clipping. I admit, these MMOs are mostly Japanese ones like FFXI, Phantasy Star Online 2, and so on... but still, it's not impossible to avoid clipping. And yet there's so much clipping in GW2. So that's one thing. Why is the game so damned ugly after being transferred from concept art to the game itself? I want to slap their world designers silly.

Then there's the combat. It feels like WoW but with dodge-rolling tacked on (because WoW with dodge-rolling totally isn't WoW). Compare it with Mass Effect 2, where the mobs will try to flank or snipe you, or compare it with TERA where mobs have clearly telegraphed attacks which you have to move around, dodge, or block. TERA sometimes (though not often enough for my tastes) has this beautiful rhythm game feel to it, where you get into a flow of attacking, blocking/dodging, and once you've learned the tells of an enemy, it's like a dance. It can be quite beautiful to look at and play.

But in GW2 I'm just spamming buttons. You don't need to do anything else.

In ME3's multiplayer, I might be pinned down by an atlas and some shield guys, whilst a pantom comes up behind me cloaked and tries to use surprise to kill me. ME3 forces me to move around a lot because of that, it forces me to think about how I'm moving, what I'm doing, and to react tactically to a thinking foe. You can't easily hold one spot in ME3's MP, because if you do, that banshee is just going to teleport behind you and stab you in the back. So you have this feeling of foes being really competent, you need to move.

But in GW2, I'm just standing there spamming buttons, the enemy isn't at all smart, I don't need to move.

And then you have the story, which... most of the time, is like a child's first fanfic. And I absolutely despise everything that Jeff Grubb writes. I'm sorry, but the man is a disease. You just shouldn't allow him to write anything. No, I mean it. Just... don't. When you let Jeff Grubb write things, you get yo mama jokes in your MMO. Don't even think about it. In fact, just don't hire him. It's because of writers like him that almost all of the writing in GW2 is painful. Don't even get me started on Trahearne.

Would it have killed them to hire an author or two who's actually able to write, and have them do most of the story-telling? I'd love to see an MMO that has Gaiman at the helm, or something.

I look at my perfect MMO and it probably has combat that's somewhere between TERA and ME3's MP. And I want it to look like GW2's concept art. Then I want the story written by someone like Gaiman. See, when something like GW2 comes along, you think it might be that game. And then when it turns out being so incredibly similar to WoW in all the ways that matter (and it really is), that's just disappointing. For the people who like WoW... that's fine.

But I don't want to grind for gear for reasons I've explained elsewhere. I don't want gated content where loot only serves to be a key to the next zone. I just want something that's fun to play, with a great story, that I can enjoy with other people.

At the same time, there are things that Guild Wars 2 gets right. To a degree, I like the dynamic events. They just need more variety in what's going on, so that they don't end up feeling so very stale. I love the exploration, I mentioned this in a positive thread I tried to start that fell flat on its face. I love the jumping puzzles. These are all things that GW2 does get right. If GW2 would allow me to have a level 80 character off the bat, so I could just go exploring and doing jumping puzzles without having to engage in its terrible combat, or without having to grind grind grind, I'd probably play it a hell of a lot more.

But the sheer stupidity of their content gating keeps you away from exploration and jumping puzzles.

Really, I just feel similarly to Penny Arcade. It's infuriating to watch. There are these MMOs that get one thing so very right (in GW2's case it's exploration, jumping puzzles, the open/living feel of the world), and then everything else so very, very wrong. And you just want to take all the right parts and smoosh them together.

I'm an old fart who's tired of WoW clones, and separately, MMOs like TOR, TERA, and GW2 feel like WoW alsfo-rans because they copy the bad parts liberally from WoW. But if you could take the good parts of each of those games and smoosh them together...

Edited by DuskWolf, 16 December 2012 - 04:40 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:42 PM

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Your last post is a perfect example of what we mean between negativity and criticism.

You've been saying the same thing for ages now, mainly how the AI is stupid, doesn't react to the situation etc.. how the combat feels like wow etc.. People have been pointing out why what you say isnt true. I have personally took the time showing you the AI in action through videos and marking out AI acting intelligently though out the fight. NPC crippling the right characters rather then spamming the conditions randomly, NPC dodging players, NPCs supporting each other, kiting etc... Yet you keep repeating your same line ignoring even plain evidence shown to you visually. Thats negativity, even though you say differently you just want to believe there are issues in the game even in areas where they're not. Every coin has 2 sides, its not just fans who can have a lack of objectivity sometimes.

Not to say you have absolutely no argument, you do, the game is indeed too easy and the reason its easy ironically is because its just the combat system is the opposite of WoW in that it tries to be completely gear independent. A PC dressed in common can do any content while in WoW there is content that if you dont have certain gear you cant ever finish because you couldn't have the necessary dps etc.. You refuse to see it but that doesnt change the fact gw2 combat system is primarily skill (player skill) based. Again the problem is they didnt want to cut out players who wanted to play casually so most of the content can indeed be navigated successfully if you even spam skill especially if you're in a group. That being said, just cause you can do something doesnt mean you should do it. Player effectively brings a lot of benefits like finish the fight in 1/2 the time, avoid dying a lot more and teach you your class so if you end up in a dire situation you'd know how to handle yourself. Yet you refuse to see all this simply because the game is easy.

anyhow you're entitled to your option of course nothing wrong with that. Dont expect to be considered a credible critic though if you just insist to see what you want to see and ignore any evidence that's been presented to you. An easy game doesn't mean automatically that it has a shallow combat system. In fact GW2 certainly does not.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:32 PM

View PostDaesu, on 15 December 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

The official forum would only accept nice and rosy feedback about their product.  They don't tolerate comments that criticize GW2 because they don't want you to frighten off potential customers and affect their revenue.  Potential customers do sometimes check their forums before making a buy decision.

Lesson: If you want to read REAL feedback about any game, go look look at their UNOFFICIAL forums, not official forums.

Posting criticisms about GW2 in the official forum would just get yourself banned there and your posts deleted.  If you want to be in a nice, rosy, fake, forum environment, don't come here, go to the official forums.  They are very heavily moderated and will ensure that everything looks nice and peachy for you.

They accept harsh feedback, they just want it to be serious.

You guys (and the people whom post things on here of what you call the "real feedback") post feedback topics in which you post death/harmful threats towards the developers, then proceed to say how the game sucks, then add your personal life experience and how that improves your validity, then state the important parts (the actual issue and how to fix it), and then end it with either one of these:
  • DIS GAEM SUXXXX
  • IM DUN, GBAAI
  • DOOD I CULD BUY TURDS N SELL DAT 2
  • GUNNA GO BAK 2 GW1/LOL/LOTRO/DUTYCALLS

The official forums simply close criticism topics that have anything besides the criticism, personal experience, and the method of changing/fixing it correctly.  Many of these so called "good topics" you point out are those in which, as aforementioned, the posters go on a spree and spread curses, takfirs, and others threats, along with some hate and random (unimportant) personal ramblings.  

You want them to listen?  Just write your problem, the issue/example, and a possible solution,  Start positive discussion, not a hate mob.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:48 PM

The official forums are worse, some people there are complaining that they don't get all of the mini-pets and Anet only let's them choose 2 when they want all of them. Also I think there's a flame war between people who suck at jumping puzzle and people who are complaining that this jumping puzzle doesn't crush your soul like the halloween one.

As stated before, standard affair in forums. The indifferent don't comment and the positive types usually spend more time playing the game, and the whiners whine loud.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:10 PM

View Postblindude, on 16 December 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:


The thing is that after 600 hours i still like the game..and reading the numerous threads here will actually make you think theres something wrong with you for enjoying your time in gw2.

That's how I feel sometimes when coming here or to the official forums. Reading it makes you feel bad somehow for liking the game.

I've been only coming to the main forum here only once in a while now. If I do visit guru it's mostly to visit some of the sub-forums like the gamers lair, much more interesting there.

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Also i have noticed that the same people that have been whining about everything sinece launch are STILL here or well most of them.

Indeed. There are some people that just hang around the forums of a game they hate. It puzzles me.

There are some interesting threads to read around here and even on the official forums but you really have to search through a lot of the garbage to get to it.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:10 PM

View Postdavadude, on 16 December 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

You want them to listen?  Just write your problem, the issue/example, and a possible solution,  Start positive discussion, not a hate mob.
Sorry guy, that's bull. Nice try, though.

You know how polite I can be when I want to be. If I have to be, I can put on my ambassadorial boots and trot into the worst muddy quagmires the Internet has to offer. At one point on the official forums I asked them why they lock feedback threads, because there was one really interesting one that had a lot of back and forth, and was genuinely fascinating from my point of view. I enjoyed reading it, and it was a very, very civil thread.

But because it had things in it that could have been taken as negatively, it was locked so that it would drop off the front page. Discussion on the official forums isn't allowed if it's harsh. Minor problems and easy fixes tend to hang around for days on end, but topics that highlight the bigger issues just tend to be brushed under the mat. It's the elephant in the room that they just don't want to talk about, and it's something regarding forum moderation that bothers me across the Internet.

Sure, you can be a hipster on a high horse, a pseudo-intellectual looking down at all the petty peons, but I see right through that. I'm sorry, but it doesn't fool me. You're no better than any of us. No worse, either. But definitely no better.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:29 PM

View PostDuskWolf, on 16 December 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Sorry guy, that's bull. Nice try, though.

You know how polite I can be when I want to be. If I have to be, I can put on my ambassadorial boots and trot into the worst muddy quagmires the Internet has to offer. At one point on the official forums I asked them why they lock feedback threads, because there was one really interesting one that had a lot of back and forth, and was genuinely fascinating from my point of view. I enjoyed reading it, and it was a very, very civil thread.

But because it had things in it that could have been taken as negatively, it was locked so that it would drop off the front page. Discussion on the official forums isn't allowed if it's harsh. Minor problems and easy fixes tend to hang around for days on end, but topics that highlight the bigger issues just tend to be brushed under the mat. It's the elephant in the room that they just don't want to talk about, and it's something regarding forum moderation that bothers me across the Internet.

Sure, you can be a hipster on a high horse, a pseudo-intellectual looking down at all the petty peons, but I see right through that. I'm sorry, but it doesn't fool me. You're no better than any of us. No worse, either. But definitely no better.

Problem with your thesis is you made an assumption of why it was closed and are taking that assumption as fact even though its not. how do you know it was closed because it was negative and not because of some posts in the thread breaking rules?

I find it hard to understand how people can actually think that posts are closed because of negativity. 1. if they truely got rid of negative posts you'd have a forum thats overly positive which isnt the case there are quite a number of negative posts that are open. 2. closing a thread actually makes it worst for them. Think about, someone posts something negative. Other add to it, could be more negative stuff or someone disagreeing. in Any event the negative aspect will definitely be in the thread as the OP itself would be negative. The positive stuff might be or might not be there. Closing it only stops stuff added to it, anyone searching for that top or browsing the forum can still read the negative stuff.

I am sorry but to me the theory of closing threads because they dont want people to see negative posts doesnt compute. It does nothing to stop people from seeing it but it prevents people from rebutting it.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:52 PM

View PostDuskWolf, on 16 December 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:




Just going to pull your post apart here, quotes are your content:

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Sorry guy, that's bull. Nice try, though.

It works well, and it's put into practice.  You know which feedback topics remain?  The ones where cut all the useless emotional speech "content" and just add the problems.

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But because it had things in it that could have been taken as negatively, it was locked so that it would drop off the front page. Discussion on the official forums isn't allowed if it's harsh.

Read all the stuff before that, and sadly, that's my main gripe with the forums.  I do notice that once the general topic derails, it gets closed, but I have yet to see something within your situation occurring.

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Sure, you can be a hipster on a high horse, a pseudo-intellectual looking down at all the petty peons, but I see right through that. I'm sorry, but it doesn't fool me. You're no better than any of us. No worse, either. But definitely no better.

So, being against the common trend of "I'm on the internet, I can insult anything and anyone" is a negative thing and brands me a hipster?  In that case, I'd love to be one.  Intellectual/Peons/etc?  Never stated it, never implied.

Speaking of, you see how you instantly resulted to that?  If that's what you're posting on the official forums, I can see why it gets closed.  Leave that out, and the first part out, and your post would be acceptable on the official forums.  It's really that simple, all you need is some restraint.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:55 PM

1.) It's the internet.

2.) It's an MMO forum.

3.) See above.

That's why there is a deluge of nonsense on these boards. Sure, there are some things worth worrying about, and plenty of criticisms to be made about the game that need to be addressed, but this particular section of the forum is a shit-show now; take the legit complaints to the offical forums, and the butthurt trolling/hating to Gamefaqs.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:07 PM

I'd just like to thank the people on these forums for helping me realize I made the right decision to not buy GW2. The laundry list of problems with the game that has pulled it so far from the original makes me wonder if there's anyone from the original game even working there anymore.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:16 PM

View Postjayson, on 16 December 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I'd just like to thank the people on these forums for helping me realize I made the right decision to not buy GW2. The laundry list of problems with the game that has pulled it so far from the original makes me wonder if there's anyone from the original game even working there anymore.

And thats the problem with the negativity. You're seeing a biased source and making your decision based on the opinion of a few people who complain about issues *they* dont like. Not that there is really any guarantee had you tried the game you'd like it of course maybe you're right and you did save yourself some money. But there are plenty of people who like the game.

For example Duskwolf thinks the gw2 combat system is bad. I find it to be the most flexible combat system I have ever experienced.

So is the combat system an issue or not?

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:12 PM

View Postdavadude, on 16 December 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

They accept harsh feedback, they just want it to be serious.

You guys (and the people whom post things on here of what you call the "real feedback") post feedback topics in which you post death/harmful threats towards the developers, then proceed to say how the game sucks, then add your personal life experience and how that improves your validity, then state the important parts (the actual issue and how to fix it), and then end it with either one of these:
  • DIS GAEM SUXXXX
  • IM DUN, GBAAI
  • DOOD I CULD BUY TURDS N SELL DAT 2
  • GUNNA GO BAK 2 GW1/LOL/LOTRO/DUTYCALLS
The official forums simply close criticism topics that have anything besides the criticism, personal experience, and the method of changing/fixing it correctly.  Many of these so called "good topics" you point out are those in which, as aforementioned, the posters go on a spree and spread curses, takfirs, and others threats, along with some hate and random (unimportant) personal ramblings.  

You want them to listen?  Just write your problem, the issue/example, and a possible solution,  Start positive discussion, not a hate mob.

Not according to many posters to post here.  They complained that they have been treated unfairly by the official forum moderators so I believe them more than people like you because it makes sense to me that ArenaNet would not tolerate high negative feedback on their own official forum.  At least not so negative as to be able to chase away potential customers.

Why should they?  They paid to maintain their own forum then have that work against them by chasing away potential customers?  I don't think so.  ArenaNet is not that dumb, they are more revenue-minded than that.

If you want only slight negativity or positive forum, go there, don't come here.  All you need to do is to report whenever someone posts anything bad about ArenaNet there and I am sure the active moderators there would be more than happy to delete and mass ban everyone involved.  I don't see why the OP should create a complain thread about other complain threads when ArenaNet already has a perfect forum for him.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:23 PM

Some people are negative because anet keeps pumping out more fluff content that is for many boring and useless and the frequent disconnect / party bugs / dungeon bugs are still there.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:28 PM

View PostRagnadaam, on 16 December 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

; take the legit complaints to the offical forums, and the butthurt trolling/hating to Gamefaqs.

If you want to waste your time typing out your complaints then have your posts deleted then get yourself banned go take it to the official forums.

At least this forum is a safer haven to speak your mind, in the official forum you have to pretend to be a fanboy. It is all faked out to lure potential customers.

None of you guys who support the official forums can answer why would ArenaNet, who paid for their own official forums, tolerate threads that may discourage potential customers from buying their games?  That would be using their own resources against themselves and be a conflict of interest.  It makes sense for them to highlight the positive aspects of their games and keep a tight control over the negative threads in their own forums.

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