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#1 Eon Lilu

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:16 PM

According to the database it's in the game....

So why isn't it "in the game" and why do we have this gambling for mini pets in gem store crap if a trio pack is in the database?

http://www.gw2db.com...wintersday-trio

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:18 PM

Might be adding it later? Stuff keep popping up. A new item called "Toy ventari" has appeared recently, the trio pack might

#3 Eon Lilu

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:20 PM

View PostBloodtau, on 15 December 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

Might be adding it later? Stuff keep popping up. A new item called "Toy ventari" has appeared recently, the trio pack might

I think the player rage would be huge if they added it later after players spent anything from 10 bucks to a couple hundreds and 100's of gold on gems for those mini's already.

More likely they were going to sell the wintersday mini packs and then changed there mind and went with a gambling business model instead.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:05 PM

View PostEon Lilu, on 15 December 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

I think the player rage would be huge if they added it later after players spent anything from 10 bucks to a couple hundreds and 100's of gold on gems for those mini's already.

More likely they were going to sell the wintersday mini packs and then changed there mind and went with a gambling business model instead.

It says on the update page: "More items and sales will become available over the course of the Wintersday festivities, so be sure to keep an eye on the Gem Store."

If you didn't read, the only person to be mad at is yourself.

#5 Eon Lilu

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:15 PM

View PostVar, on 15 December 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

It says on the update page: "More items and sales will become available over the course of the Wintersday festivities, so be sure to keep an eye on the Gem Store."

If you didn't read, the only person to be mad at is yourself.

I have not spent anything and after halloween lottery crap and now mini pet gambling I dont plan to, got nothing to blame anything on...

Just completely against any type of casino gambling in the gem store. If they plan to add the trio mini pet pack later on....after players have gamble loads of money on it.....I dont think arena net would be that stupid but you never know.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:28 PM

View PostEon Lilu, on 15 December 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

I have not spent anything and after halloween lottery crap and now mini pet gambling I dont plan to, got nothing to blame anything on...

Just completely against any type of casino gambling in the gem store. If they plan to add the trio mini pet pack later on....after players have gamble loads of money on it.....I dont think arena net would be that stupid but you never know.

I'm not saying you did, but they told you flat out that more stuff would be available. And, fi you take notice, there's almost no RNG in this iteration at all.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:30 PM

View PostVar, on 15 December 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

I'm not saying you did, but they told you flat out that more stuff would be available. And, fi you take notice, there's almost no RNG in this iteration at all.

Are you blind? They are using casino type gambling in the gem store at christmas time. They cant get any lower than that...

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:32 PM

I'm not going to buy any RNG box!

But, if a mini trio gets in the gem store I'll buy it, might even buy 2 and get the quaggan, like I did for the halloween minis!

I like minis, but I wont support the RNG!

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:38 PM

View PostProxenos, on 15 December 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

I'm not going to buy any RNG box!

But, if a mini trio gets in the gem store I'll buy it, might even buy 2 and get the quaggan, like I did for the halloween minis!

I like minis, but I wont support the RNG!

I wish it was just RNG, but it isn't just RNG, its gambling in the gem store. RNG is just part of it.

I agree, alot of players have said if they did the mini's like they did in halloween, alot more players would be willing to part with there money, but they decided on this gambling business model at christmas time which personally I find very scummy of them.

Sure they might pedal backwards and change there minds and add stuff later, but were dealing with what we know now and facts, not what they might do but what they have done and that's lottery type casino gambling for mini pets in the gem store and then adding something new that they didnt add in halloween, locking out all ability for players to buy them on trading outpost making it the only way to get the mini pets is to gamble in the gem store.

Maybe they make changes before wintersday is over, maybe they won't but this is currently how it is.

Edited by Eon Lilu, 15 December 2012 - 07:38 PM.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:40 PM

View PostEon Lilu, on 15 December 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Are you blind? They are using casino type gambling in the gem store at christmas time. They cant get any lower than that...

Your reading skills seem to be lacking: "There's almost no RNG in this iteration."

The only thing you gamble on is a chest, all the skins, all the costumes, all of the other goodies are on flat out sale. And if they add the minis at a later time... there's nothing left. Though I'm sure you'll find a reason to complain.

Edited by Var, 15 December 2012 - 07:41 PM.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:41 PM

View PostEon Lilu, on 15 December 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

I wish it was just RNG, but it isn't just RNG, its gambling in the gem store. RNG is just part of it.

I agree, alot of players have said if they did the mini's like they did in halloween, alot more players would be willing to part with there money, but they decided on this gambling business model at christmas time which personally I find very scummy of them.

Sure they might pedal backwards and change there minds and add stuff later, but were dealing with what we know now and facts, not what they might do but what they have done and that's lottery type casino gambling for mini pets in the gem store and then adding something new that they didnt add in halloween, locking out all ability for players to buy them on trading outpost making it the only way to get the mini pets is to gamble in the gem store.

Maybe they make changes before wintersday is over, maybe they won't but this is currently how it is.

You are right, it's the fact that the RNG is fueled with real money the real problem. If it was just RNG, no money involved, like the gift packages found during the festivity, it would be cool.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 08:39 PM

View PostVar, on 15 December 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

And if they add the minis at a later time... there's nothing left. Though I'm sure you'll find a reason to complain.

Even if they add the mini's to straight out purchases like in halloween, thousands of players would of already spent a crap ton of money gambling on these chests in the gem store for a small chance of what there looking for, all it would do is piss players off more.

To bait players with gambling business model and lottery style casino tactics, and then give out the same thing as a straight out reward after they rake in all the cash...well that would be even more of a scummy move on Anet's part.

What you call complaining, I call stating what I see, which as of this moment since your just dealing with "BUT THEY MIGHT and IF's" is they are currently using gambling as a business model for holiday events and for the mini pets currently. They did the same thing with halloween except this time there blocking players from buying them as an extra option from the trading outpost.

Thats not complaining my friend, thats saying how it is.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 09:05 PM

View PostEon Lilu, on 15 December 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Thats not complaining my friend, thats saying how it is.

You're right, its not complaining. Its exaggerating for effect in order to attempt to make a feeble point.

No one was goaded into gambling (more over the odds are clearly spelled out on update notes), the update clearly states more things are too come; if you cannot wait and spent money (and/or did not read, at which point its really your own fault) then you bought what you bought knowing full well what you were buying and that there was a forewarned chance of more stuff being added that could, easily, trivialize their purchases. Would said people also complain (and you yourself for that matter (this question is rhetorical, I know the answer)) if tomorrow they put on a chest sale? How bout a weapon skin sale? Or maybe the costumes suddenly go 20% off! They tricked all those people into buying the skins only to put them on sale a (or X) day(s) later to get everyone's money!111!11

And I love how you make up numbers... ahh statistics, what would a day be like without that putrid smell.

They've come a long way since Halloween:
- A full set of skins is available for every for free (as in entirely in game), forever, for very little effort.
- An almost full set of weapons are available in the shop for everyone to buy.
- Costumes, and a hat that's virtually free.
- The mystery boxes are world drops, they don't require a key.

Yet you seem stuck on:
- Mini pets are currently only in a box.
or
- The moment minipets are no longer only in said box: It was a scam11! to get us to spend our money on RNG!!!1112

While the notes have stated perfectly clearly that not only are more things to come but that, moreover, the very game has data in it for a pack of these minis to go on sale.

Straws.
Grasping.
Them.

Edited by Var, 15 December 2012 - 09:07 PM.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 09:45 PM

If you have gems burning a hole in your coin purse perhaps you should focus on having some self control and take some personal responsibility. This event goes on till the end of the year and it's only been live less then 24 hours. People are crying foul because Anet decided to not to dump ever single thing available from start. You guys all must be great artists because you are very good at drawing conclusions.

#15 Eon Lilu

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 10:06 PM

View PostVar, on 15 December 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

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Your still mising the point.

casino gambling in gem store whatever the items is = bad

Why didn't they just add a trio pack from the start instead of gambling business model?

Edited by Eon Lilu, 15 December 2012 - 10:16 PM.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 10:42 PM

View PostEon Lilu, on 15 December 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Why didn't they just add a trio pack from the start instead of gambling business model?

Gambling, as you like to toss the word around, implies an ability to lose. There is no such scenario here and as such you are misusing the word, again in an attempt to hold up an argument that has one crooked leg.

What are you buying? A chest with an assortment of wintersday goodies inside.
What are you getting? An assortment of wintersday goodies.
What have you been informed about? That more things will be put on sale.
What are you doing? Taking a chance, knowing full well that you have no idea what's to come.

The chest isn't going to magically disappear, you can wait till the last day and everything is rewarded/added before buying. If you choose not to, that's on you.

Moreover, by case of examples presented rather than examples missing and made for the sake of tossing around scary words, they have now put Ventari on sale, in the gem store, at a fixed price, with no RNG. They will do the same with the other pets, and they will likely ultimately add the trio if we follow the pattern and use the information we have already available to us.

Edited by Var, 15 December 2012 - 10:44 PM.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 10:45 PM

In all honestly though, I'd take this over jingle bear farming.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:30 AM

View PostVar, on 15 December 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

Gambling, as you like to toss the word around, implies an ability to lose. There is no such scenario here and as such you are misusing the word, again in an attempt to hold up an argument that has one crooked leg.

What are you buying? A chest with an assortment of wintersday goodies inside.
What are you getting? An assortment of wintersday goodies.
What have you been informed about? That more things will be put on sale.
What are you doing? Taking a chance, knowing full well that you have no idea what's to come.

The chest isn't going to magically disappear, you can wait till the last day and everything is rewarded/added before buying. If you choose not to, that's on you.

Moreover, by case of examples presented rather than examples missing and made for the sake of tossing around scary words, they have now put Ventari on sale, in the gem store, at a fixed price, with no RNG. They will do the same with the other pets, and they will likely ultimately add the trio if we follow the pattern and use the information we have already available to us.

Still does not change the fact, there is and has been in the past gambling in the gem store. You can twist it all you like thats not going to change. Also they restricted some items like the mini's to account bound. Making the gem store gambling the only way to get them.

I don't even need to carry on replying your fanboistic comments and obvious mis representation of the situation. Just go read the official forums and talk to players in game. Have not found a single person so far who think's what there doing is a good thing for the game or for the players. Never ending threads of players sick of the gambling crap Anet keeps pulling in the gem store and players in game in the towns discussing it on open map chat.

In jormags event earlier today more players discussing the exact same thing. Don't take my word for it go search out the info for yourself and talk to other players.

Edited by Eon Lilu, 16 December 2012 - 01:33 AM.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 02:08 AM

View PostEon Lilu, on 16 December 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

Still does not change the fact, there is and has been in the past gambling in the gem store.

So... now the argument changed, how convenient. You completely dismiss the current scenario to dwell on the past scenario because, as I've said, you honestly couldn't help to construct an argument for this scenario and as such are cribbing past issues that are no longer relevant.

View PostEon Lilu, on 16 December 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

I don't even need to carry on replying your fanboistic comments and obvious mis representation of the situation.

Ad homien.

View PostEon Lilu, on 16 December 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

Just go read the official forums and talk to players in game. Have not found a single person so far who think's what there doing is a good thing for the game or for the players. Never ending threads of players sick of the gambling crap Anet keeps pulling in the gem store and players in game in the towns discussing it on open map chat.

In jormags event earlier today more players discussing the exact same thing. Don't take my word for it go search out the info for yourself and talk to other players.

And finally, what is anecdotal evidence. (And hilariously exaggerated claims!)

Welcome to I can reverse this whole baseless claim of yours and say that all I've seen in chat is merry cheer and people being happy with what they've been given.

Edited by Var, 16 December 2012 - 02:12 AM.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:55 AM

Past issues no more relevant?

https://forum-en.gui...ftbox-RNG-Minis

https://forum-en.gui...-out-of-control

Do you even know what he's talking about, and accept the fact we have a gambling based game, they ruined even christmas and we are done with it? :zzz:

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:13 AM

Happy people don't need to complain or say anything as much as unhappy players. Forums are a bias way to judge the reaction of the general public. I for one think as far as wintersday event goes, it has been a relative success. They learnt from past mistakes and have corrected them. Most if not all content are available without spending a single coin (gem to gold exchange rate) and the RNG drop rate seems relatively generous this time.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:55 AM

View PostVar, on 16 December 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

So... now the argument changed, how convenient. You completely dismiss the current scenario to dwell on the past scenario because, as I've said, you honestly couldn't help to construct an argument for this scenario and as such are cribbing past issues that are no longer relevant.



Ad homien.



And finally, what is anecdotal evidence. (And hilariously exaggerated claims!)

Welcome to I can reverse this whole baseless claim of yours and say that all I've seen in chat is merry cheer and people being happy with what they've been given.


View PostLucas Ashrock, on 16 December 2012 - 03:55 AM, said:

Past issues no more relevant?

https://forum-en.gui...ftbox-RNG-Minis

https://forum-en.gui...-out-of-control

Do you even know what he's talking about, and accept the fact we have a gambling based game, they ruined even christmas and we are done with it? :zzz:

Exactly I think Var is living in his own little blissful ignorant dream world where Anet is perfect the way he goes on everyone is happy and everyone else should shut the hell up.

You can't ignore the fact var that right now and in the past currently there using casino type gambling knowing players will want those mini pets especially collectors at christmas time even....on top of that they made them account bound so you have no other way of getting them, something they did not do in the past. In lost shores they pulled the same gambling crap and in halloween but you could atleast buy them later with gold on the TP because they were not account bound, Anet this time with wintersday purposely restricted that to push players into gambling for them in the gem store, very scummy way of making money out of the players.

Extremely scummy tactics and something seen in the past by other scummy gaming companies like nexon, cryptic studios and other free to play mmo's, even though gw2 is buy to play you still see the same type of scummy business model.

To ignore this and try to twist my words out of context into some lame attempt to say it isn't true when it factually is, just screams of fanboism, plus looking at your past posts, you have never made a single topic of discussion on these forums and most of your posts are arguing with players and bashing on players that say anything negative about arena net or the game.

Also my claims are not exaggerated by any sense of the word, its all there for everyone to see, but if you feel you have to defend Anet, the game, there scummy gambling business model. Then you go right ahead but from the players iv spoken to, the official forums and alliance / guilds reaction to it, I can safely say alot of players are not happy with Anet for doing this a 2nd and 3rd time.

Edited by Eon Lilu, 16 December 2012 - 10:58 AM.





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