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#1 Alaria

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:10 AM

Been getting bored of NA servers recently so i decided to swap over from JQ to Vizuna SQ (french server) with a couple guild mates.

Last nights reset was a huge shock for us after being used to normal fights in NA on EU there is a huge difference. The aggressiveness of guilds on EU T1 is far overwhelming than that of anything I have seen on NA. Two guilds struck me in particular. We had a huge zerg of vizunah SQ fighting inside hills against blacktide, both very equally matched, it was pretty much the entierity of both maps fighting each other. We start to kill blacktide only to be killed by a group of 30 or so votf. We had at least 90 people and blacktide probably the same and 30 people from Seafarers come along and wipe us all to a man.

We move to the supply camp north of hills with out force and out of nowhere prx pops up and pretty much decimates us. After running around solo for quite a bit then we see two eu guilds going at it and I have never seen any guild play like this before, the tactics they were using were insane, the coordination between them was second to none, votf and redguard were toe to toe ripping the stuffing out of eachother and I was just watching what must be the most epic fight I have ever seen in WvW.

Seafarers I salute you, blacktide you are one hell of a server. EU T1 is far more than I could have hoped for.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:37 AM

I had eggo's for breakfast

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:05 PM

Thanks man for the words. We had some awesome fights last night against RG and Vizu zergs. Was a blast.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 02:21 PM

RG is probably one of the best guilds around at this moment.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:16 PM

Not sure if you're bullshitting but reading that makes me want to switch over to Blacktide for a bit. NA T1 is getting a bit stale.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:20 PM

View PostDeagarFA, on 16 December 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Not sure if you're bullshitting but reading that makes me want to switch over to Blacktide for a bit. NA T1 is getting a bit stale.

That is what most of the US guilds did, jump to EU servers like black tide for instant win, It's why t1 EU is alot more active. Wehave the US and EU guilds on EU server.

Basically free server transfers RUINS WvW. Deso players will get what I mean :P

Edited by Eon Lilu, 16 December 2012 - 04:20 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:42 PM

WvW in deso is still fun though. Winning all the time isn't always fun...

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:22 PM

At first welcome on Eu ladder and Vizunah Square. Glad to see you enjoyed the action on reset even if your first contact with rg's lawnmower was -i guess- short and brutal.

But a warning may be needed there for the others : EU ladder doesn't have a strong 24/24 coverage.
So if you don't play on EU prime time there's 99% chances you won't see the same action before next friday.
Rg will be sleeping and you will be 1)run over by Prx and followers or 2) in that bus.

Unless of course off-time forces pops by magic on Vs and Bt to balance SFR Na forces.

Edited by Onshi, 16 December 2012 - 06:33 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:30 PM

View PostAlaria, on 16 December 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

Been getting bored of NA servers recently so i decided to swap over from JQ to Vizuna SQ (french server) with a couple guild mates.

Last nights reset was a huge shock for us after being used to normal fights in NA on EU there is a huge difference. The aggressiveness of guilds on EU T1 is far overwhelming than that of anything I have seen on NA. Two guilds struck me in particular. We had a huge zerg of vizunah SQ fighting inside hills against blacktide, both very equally matched, it was pretty much the entierity of both maps fighting each other. We start to kill blacktide only to be killed by a group of 30 or so votf. We had at least 90 people and blacktide probably the same and 30 people from Seafarers come along and wipe us all to a man.

We move to the supply camp north of hills with out force and out of nowhere prx pops up and pretty much decimates us. After running around solo for quite a bit then we see two eu guilds going at it and I have never seen any guild play like this before, the tactics they were using were insane, the coordination between them was second to none, votf and redguard were toe to toe ripping the stuffing out of eachother and I was just watching what must be the most epic fight I have ever seen in WvW.

Seafarers I salute you, blacktide you are one hell of a server. EU T1 is far more than I could have hoped for.

PRX is an NA guild. But being from JQ, you know that.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:38 PM

Is it really this amazing? This is how WvW should be!

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:51 PM

I can confirm the Strategies used on EU are very different. After seeing the same T1 matches in NA, I moved over for the start of this week, and the way the EU servers fights is much more aggressive than what I saw in NA, overall. I only play 20 hours a week or so, mostly on the weekends, and have only experienced the weekend rush so far. But both BT, VS SFR are overtly aggressive, and bring numbers across the maps. I can see is becoming a big PVDoor during NA primetime/EU Nap time.

EU also appear not to Upgrade keeps as frequently as the NA servers, which I have found odd. They seem to upgrade the ones closer to their spawn and leave the ones further out not upgraded. The camps also seem to flip a ton during any period of time.

It has been interesting so far. WvW has started to get a but boring, now that servers are fighting the same servers over and over, and I do not see to much changing T1 - T3 on the NA side.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:27 PM

Happy to see compliments =)

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:15 PM

What he said is absolutely true. EU servers uses different strategies than NA. I would say it's way more tactical and challenging because of the way EU server deploy their strategy. I have been in seafarer for almost a week and I'm really enjoying it. Just don't expect EU servers to have 24 hours coverage like NA servers, so there's a down period. Just have to know the server most active time and you will definitely enjoy it.

Edited by Stephen, 16 December 2012 - 09:19 PM.


#14 Bina

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:51 PM

A chance to try it out costs nothing.

Move to one of the top three EU servers spend a week and see what you think.

Don't blame Anet if the game has gotten stale blame yourself they gave you the ability to try out other servers for free.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:03 PM

View PostBina, on 16 December 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

A chance to try it out costs nothing.

Move to one of the top three EU servers spend a week and see what you think.

Don't blame Anet if the game has gotten stale blame yourself they gave you the ability to try out other servers for free.

There are certain human behaviours to be expected. Anet is responsible for monitoring those and keeping them in check so that those behaviours don't harm the game.
For example, glitching and cheating. Just because players have to choose whether or not to glitch or cheat doesn't mean Anet shouldn't take measures to prevent them. They damage the game because the give the players too much freedom, which is precisely the problem with free transfers.
One server starts doing poorly, or another server starts doing amazingly and suddenly that typical human behaviour kicks in and a large quantity of people transfer to a server that's better for them. This transfer isn't better for the game as a whole, it's just better for them.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:08 PM

We want you back to Desolation <3 xD hehehehe

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:47 PM

View PostBina, on 16 December 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

A chance to try it out costs nothing.

Move to one of the top three EU servers spend a week and see what you think.

Don't blame Anet if the game has gotten stale blame yourself they gave you the ability to try out other servers for free.

This is the kind of thing that is destroying WvW. People swapping servers is causing fluctuations in populations resulting in lopsided match ups. Currently SBI is slowly dieing because of this, which is impacting on tier one as a whole. As much as I agree the meta could use a shake up (and I haven't seen many difference in tier 1 euro aside from PvDoor from NA transfers), swapping servers like a leech, leaving them and moving on to do the same to another server later is only desctructive to WvW.

The day when players log in for the fun of the battle, to compete for maps and not for coverage and score, that day can't come soon enough.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:08 PM

Yeah had some good fights against red guard the other day gotta say a well done to us both!

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:17 PM

View PostShiren, on 16 December 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

This is the kind of thing that is destroying WvW. People swapping servers is causing fluctuations in populations resulting in lopsided match ups. Currently SBI is slowly dieing because of this, which is impacting on tier one as a whole. As much as I agree the meta could use a shake up (and I haven't seen many difference in tier 1 euro aside from PvDoor from NA transfers), swapping servers like a leech, leaving them and moving on to do the same to another server later is only desctructive to WvW.

The day when players log in for the fun of the battle, to compete for maps and not for coverage and score, that day can't come soon enough.

Nothing is wrong with playing with different people, playing high on a tier one server for a few weeks then playing on tier 3 for awhile, helping servers move up in the ladders, playing with in the Eu for awhile with servers that even speak different languages than you do.

The times are changing, players want the availability to try different things out, the average attention span keeps getting shorter.

Enjoy the game you are in as much as you can, see the sights, try something new.

Have you ever even thought that if more people would have done this maybe they would not have gotten bored so fast and the game would be in better shape?

Edited by Bina, 16 December 2012 - 11:18 PM.


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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:36 AM

View PostBina, on 16 December 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Nothing is wrong with playing with different people, playing high on a tier one server for a few weeks then playing on tier 3 for awhile, helping servers move up in the ladders, playing with in the Eu for awhile with servers that even speak different languages than you do.

The times are changing, players want the availability to try different things out, the average attention span keeps getting shorter.

Enjoy the game you are in as much as you can, see the sights, try something new.

Have you ever even thought that if more people would have done this maybe they would not have gotten bored so fast and the game would be in better shape?

What happens to the server you left? They were competing with opponents who were matched against them based on the fact that several guilds were there competing with them. The exodus of those guilds results in less competitive ability from that server and a lopsided match. This actually destroys servers like it did to Henge of Denravi.

You swap to a tier one server and through PvDoor you drag it up to tier 1, then get bored and leave again. That server no longer has a night capping presence and it can't compete, leaving WvW unenjoyable for everyone left behind as the bandwagon guilds head off to suck dry another server. What's going to happen to Seafarer's Rest once the NA guilds get tired of their PvDoor "challenge"? Without a night capping force are they going to be able to remain number one? What about the other two servers in euro tier one who were very competitive in the european time zones (prior to NA guilds moving on to night cap) and didn't have to deal with a serious night capping issue. Now they are getting hit by PvDoor and losing the match up as a result, is that going to cause a previously stable and competitive tier to collapse? Will guilds start leaving WvW or the servers because no matter how competitive they are during prime time, they lose the coverage battle, so why try being competitive at all? Night capping wasn't as big of an issue until the NA tourists moved over.

Tourists hurt the longevity of the game and they destroy the experiences of the people who are on the server before and after they left.

People are getting bored of WvW because they are either MMO tourists (hopping from one game to another, they were never going to be around for long) or they are playing 24/7 matches that push people to compete as much as possible to keep their server's score as high as possible. Doing that with no changes to WvW (features have actually been removed) is going to burn you out no matter how many servers you swap to. It's not how you do during prime time that matters, it's how you do all the time.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 09:01 AM

I'm not really glad to see more US guild coming in EU ladder.. but if it's more fun/interesting for you it's the principal thing.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 09:23 AM

Hi all,

I'm a franch player on Vizunah Square. and i'd like to say that i am more than happy to see some foreigners (US and others) come on our server. Well it's a [Fr] taged server, that mean that you'll have to play with french language on all your chatboxes but it's a good way to learn too ^^

Language tag mustn't mean that only Franch are allowed, you'ill find narrow minded ppl that will complain about ppl that don't speak french on VS. They will maybe, at first, call you spy, or something. Just ignore them

We have some italians, one of our best commander is syrian, in our guild we have an ukrenian. with belgians, and french canadians (a few), that's a lot of ppl that is not "french" (even if they speak french)

Playing on EU server mean no or few queue for US primetime. but now that US guild came to EU T1 ladder, that don't mean you'll fight at doors only ... but you'll probably get less culling and more small teamfight. that, in my opinion, is better

Vizunah Square is the only server to stay in T1 since the begining and we will be for a long time.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:33 AM

View PostRancidAcid, on 16 December 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

RG is probably one of the best guilds around at this moment.

VotF & RG are probably the two best guilds in this game atm.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 12:11 PM

View PostNahtow, on 17 December 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

I'm not really glad to see more US guild coming in EU ladder.. but if it's more fun/interesting for you it's the principal thing.

I would not mind if they went to say a medium or lower WvW populated server, but most of the US guilds are just server jumping to the number one heavy wvw population server for an instant I Win button.

Like RUIN did, they jumped to desolation then as soon as they went into tier 1 EU and dragged desolation to the top with IRON, they started losing against blacktide so they server jumped again for an instant I WIN button and on the highest scoring EU server.

It crippled desolation for weeks in WvW, damaged the server as a whole and took us almost a month to recover from it. Last week we finaly started to recover again and now were doing fine in WvW, but it literally wrecked WvW for us for like a month because of one stupid RUIN guild's actions, they had recruited hundreds of deso players and had hundreds of there own already so alot of players jumped ship with them. We all said they would jump ship again, they denied it and they did exactly what we said they would do. No guild should have that much ability to cripple / damage a server through transfers and server jumping in mass.

They need to get rid of free server transfers and I think they should lock you out of changing again for a month or so, plus charge you alot to change, plus when you do change servers your locked out for atleast a week of WvW for that server.

Edited by Eon Lilu, 17 December 2012 - 12:13 PM.


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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:29 PM

Hi


If you want to see video stream without director's cut go to http://fr.twitch.tv/warlegend


You'll see RG lose versus us and more ... youtube.com/watch?v=vTh9iyrIxBQ yersterday's run

Edited by NoXsNoNo, 23 February 2013 - 01:42 AM.


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Posted 17 December 2012 - 02:28 PM

If there were no server transfers HOD would still be number one if everyone did not quit by now, remember those days the daily posts asking TA to break up they were ruining the game?

SoS still would be Tier 4, funny when SoS people complain about transfers and brag about being number one, did not see a lot of complaining from SoS get off our server we do not like wining.

It is boring fighting the same fight over and over.

As players we have the ability to have great matchups, then for the lack of better words repick teams and do it all over again, even go play vs other countries.

Playing on the same server vs the same other servers day after day, week after week, month after month has no apeal to many people, lock the servers and you will see empty BL's.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 03:31 PM

Lets not make this thread about server transfers!!!, there are many all over the place!


View PostPvPD00R, on 16 December 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

I can confirm the Strategies used on EU are very different. After seeing the same T1 matches in NA, I moved over for the start of this week, and the way the EU servers fights is much more aggressive than what I saw in NA, overall. I only play 20 hours a week or so, mostly on the weekends, and have only experienced the weekend rush so far. But both BT, VS SFR are overtly aggressive, and bring numbers across the maps. I can see is becoming a big PVDoor during NA primetime/EU Nap time.

EU also appear not to Upgrade keeps as frequently as the NA servers, which I have found odd. They seem to upgrade the ones closer to their spawn and leave the ones further out not upgraded. The camps also seem to flip a ton during any period of time.

It has been interesting so far. WvW has started to get a but boring, now that servers are fighting the same servers over and over, and I do not see to much changing T1 - T3 on the NA side.

from what i have noticed, NA prefers to upgrade towers and hold it cos they look at points and coverage more to win the tier,
EU on the other hand prefer to go fight to the death against each other and cap towers only when fights are not involved , not upgrading towers at the spawn is usually a "bait" to lure others into killing them, EU obviously dont care much about 24hrs coverage, this is why u dont see us inviting Aussie/asians guilds or NA guilds for coverage, we only invite cos we get pissed that some servers already with NA coverage in EU filp everything overnight and you have to upgrade everything all over again the next day.

its not to say that EU is a better ladder or NA is a better, they adopt different strategies and different priorities really,
The only exception in EU is ironically Vizunah Square, they prefer to play like the NA ladder, with more coverage and lasting thru the week than good fights , and for this they are pretty much hated in EU cos they always move in zergs and nightcap all the time, but they are the only servers who have been in Tier 1 since the beginning.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:58 PM

View Postsalluks, on 17 December 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

The only exception in EU is ironically Vizunah Square, they prefer to play like the NA ladder, with more coverage and lasting thru the week than good fights , and for this they are pretty much hated in EU cos they always move in zergs and nightcap all the time, but they are the only servers who have been in Tier 1 since the beginning.

What a wrong statement!
Its true Vizunah have more independant/vizunians ( its forbidden to say PU on vizunah cause we take care of them and try to organize them) and few guilds than others but there is no bigger zerg than others. in fact zergs are smaller. Nightcap isn't timezonecap and we don't have more than 50 people at night but its dedicated people who have 12 years of mmo and were dominating daoc
In fact independants started to zerg a month ago when turtles and zerg were introduced by new server coming in D1 and we had to adapt.
Before there were 8 groups of 20 ( there isn't any guild who had a raid of more than 20) on the map and orange sword everywhere but it can't work anymore nowadays. A bit of shame for people used to 8 man roam since years but  usually there is always a guild per map still doing it at primetime

Here is a stream of our yesterday raid if you don't trust me and want to look how D1 is. We have like 4 evryweek at primetime .
streams don't lie. No director cuts. you have the wipes, the good and bad moment and you can see where are zergs and how servers play in D1
http://fr.twitch.tv/...end/b/348656179


But its true vizunah and arborstone are hated cause they are french, quite good and used to win but french and german communities have always been a bit better and dedicated in 3w mmo in general if you look daoc, warhammer or gw2. We are less dedicated for others form of pvp or game type like fps, hackslach etc
3 months people are telling trolls on vizunah like the canadians, the zerg, the niightcap etc...yesterady i had spanish stating we had russians guild Oo
Every new server coming in D1 is  telling us we will go in D2 every week and everytime its a fail
People have to find a reason to explain why they don't suceed..and the easiest is to trash the enemy

Edited by Exee, 17 December 2012 - 06:21 PM.


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Posted 17 December 2012 - 06:25 PM

View Postsalluks, on 17 December 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Lets not make this thread about server transfers!!!, there are many all over the place!




from what i have noticed, NA prefers to upgrade towers and hold it cos they look at points and coverage more to win the tier,
EU on the other hand prefer to go fight to the death against each other and cap towers only when fights are not involved , not upgrading towers at the spawn is usually a "bait" to lure others into killing them, EU obviously dont care much about 24hrs coverage, this is why u dont see us inviting Aussie/asians guilds or NA guilds for coverage, we only invite cos we get pissed that some servers already with NA coverage in EU filp everything overnight and you have to upgrade everything all over again the next day.

its not to say that EU is a better ladder or NA is a better, they adopt different strategies and different priorities really,
The only exception in EU is ironically Vizunah Square, they prefer to play like the NA ladder, with more coverage and lasting thru the week than good fights , and for this they are pretty much hated in EU cos they always move in zergs and nightcap all the time, but they are the only servers who have been in Tier 1 since the beginning.

WTF, you never played against VS to tell this. We have only 30-50 men who play during the night and when we must take some point.
But we never abandonned anf evry ennemy coming to T1 motive the member. The biggest guild in VS are 80. We are very far from Ruins, XAOC, and.

We are a lot of PU

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:22 PM

View PostNoXsNoNo, on 17 December 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Hi


If you want to see video stream without director's cut go to http://fr.twitch.tv/warlegend


You'll see RG lose versus us and more ... http://fr.twitch.tv/...end/b/348656179 yersterday's run

We also had some fun fights with you, starting at 1h 12min in and continuing for the rest of the clip =)




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