Zero_Soulreaver, on 20 December 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:
No I'm not, I'm just reacting to silly comments from people who still believe having no grind or progression automatically= fun. Some people enjoy having goals and enjoy some sort of grind. I don't know why everyone assumes that if you just play with no goals you know how to play the game for fun. Not everyone enjoys that.
Also people don't get that GW2 "as intended" is not grindless or goal-free. The game was always goal oriented and grind oriented to an extent. You can believe your manifestos and all that other crap all you want, but I still believe it was just to promote and not their true "intent".
Just to be fair I never read anyone suggesting to play the game without any goals what so ever, Its always been more on the lines of dont make the game be only about the goal (unless thats what you enjoy of course). To me personally like you say correctly the game is about playing the way you enjoy. To me, the game has always been about giving you the freedom to achieve your goal in a variety of ways.
If a person likes grinding / farming thats fine.. thats perfect, they should farm and grind, anyone telling them they're playing wrong is wrong themselves.
Posts such as the on by OP are definitely not targeted at those people.
These suggestions are targeted at people who hate grinding, who hate farming, they dont enjoy doing it but instead feel compeled to do it because for them its just doesnt make sense to play the game for over 1 year just to get one single weapon skin. They might feel that a week is too long to get an exotic set. etc... Again distinction here, We're not talking about people who feel a week to get an exotic set is too long so they farm/grind but enjoy/have no problem at all doing that. We're talking of people who hate every second of the grinding / farming they feel they're forced to do.
Posts like the OP's are simply trying to point out the game can be more then grinding / farming. Example lets take Corrupted Staff (something I am actually crafting) I have been working on it for 2 months give or take. Some of the corrupted lodestones I actually farmed because I felt like doing it. The rest I got the money for. (well still thinking if it makes sense to use money on it or if I should just keep it for the crossing another staff I want to craft. Thinking about getting all the necessary lodestones through farming which will require another 2 months all things being equal). Anyhow back on subject, in 2 months I farmed 12 corrupted lodestones. I can only take small doses of farming thats why in 2 months I only farmed 12 stones. I estimate I had a drop rate close to 1 lodestone for every hour of farming so 30 hours of farming should suffice to get the full amount required. A dedicated farmer can probably do that inside a week easily but I just cant, I would have hated it if I had to spend all that time farming. Like this I enjoyed every second I played, sure took me far more then a week, It took me 2 months. In brief what posts like OP are trying to say is dont drop the goal, my goal was always get the corrupted staff.
The advice here is you dont have to spend all your time 24/7 farming "corrupted lodestones" if you dont enjoy doing that. This game is very forgiving, a rare armor set is all you need to enjoy all of the game. The rest is just nice things to have. It doesnt matter if it takes you 1 day or 6 months to reach your goal so there is no need to make the game about the goal. Play what you enjoy and use the reward from whatever you play to reach your goal.
Thats all people are saying. In the end posts like this in my opinion are trying to help. This is not about the manifesto or propoganda or anything like that its trying to help people enjoy the game.
Millimidget, on 20 December 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:
It would be nice if rewards and enjoyable activities intersected at any point.
I believe they do. (well currently there is one exception, ascended gear have not yet been implemented 100% so you cant aquire them playing any content though thats just a temporarily situation)
What activities do you enjoy doing? and what rewards do you seek that you cant get using those activities?