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Am I the only one sick of the addition of more and more tonics?


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#1 iLag

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:10 AM

They are even worse than town clothes.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:12 AM

While on gw1 wear a tonic was even beatufiul (like the EL kuunawang tonic) and well, usable ingame playing pve, the dragon was attacking and using skills as the character, with little animations too, on gw2 is just a pure nonsense noone is interested on. Disabling all skills. So ye, just a failed content bad designed. They keep throwing this trash, not getting where the real problem is

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:15 AM

View PostLucas Ashrock, on 19 December 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

While on gw1 wear a tonic was even beatufiul (like the EL kuunawang tonic) and well, usable ingame playing pve, the dragon was attacking and using skills as the character, with little animations too, on gw2 is just a pure nonsense noone is interested on. Disabling all skills. So ye, just a failed content bad designed. They keep throwing this trash, not getting where the real problem is
More variety in armour sets and new armour sets. Less this bull.

I mean even more minipets would be way cooler.

Edited by iLag, 19 December 2012 - 09:15 AM.


#4 Lucas Ashrock

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:18 AM

Shrugs, ye. Minipet are cute. Until gem are not the core to get one, but just playing some pve content, sorta of wintersday pets playing the dungeon.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:19 AM

Tonics are like Black Lion chests, an inconvenience that I have to destroy.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:20 AM

I think it shows that the focus of the game is on the cash shop casuals. That would also be the reason why the game then lacks resources to give us good content and we instead get grind for stats - simply because that's the easiest/fastest content to make.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:23 AM

dont care for tonics either but some people do. Dont see the problem to be honest.

and there will be a major update in january/february and also for a b2p game its absolutely not lacking content. did people really think that after 5 months there would be what a expension????

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:32 AM

We had one yet , lost shores, such a content Posted Image
Ye, i'm looking forward to see new content with same exact bugs reported from months still here or renewed again (party split back was the most hylarious and it's back :D ) and more new bugged junk waiting us to be exploited.

The "problem" and title of this thread is not just how to get them but even WHY, considering is just a stupid appaerance thinghy without skills noone care of. Going around gw1 LA with my dragon was awesome, and lots telling you how beautiful that tonic was. So fun playing with other people with it instead of my real char. Is it the same playing gw2 with tonics in your bag? ^_^

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:32 AM

View Postcyclopsje, on 19 December 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

dont care for tonics either but some people do. Dont see the problem to be honest.

and there will be a major update in january/february and also for a b2p game its absolutely not lacking content. did people really think that after 5 months there would be what a expension????

As I said before, I think the bigger problem is that they are expanding on content we didn't buy GW2 for. I think a bunch of us would be absolutely thrilled if GW2 was more about cute outfits and beating enemies to a pulp instead of all the jumping puzzles, town clothes, crafting, harvesting, ...

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:44 AM

the only tonic I dont hate: Baby Quaggan tonic

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:48 AM

View Postcyclopsje, on 19 December 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

dont care for tonics either but some people do. Dont see the problem to be honest.

and there will be a major update in january/february and also for a b2p game its absolutely not lacking content. did people really think that after 5 months there would be what a expension????
Also first of why mention its b2p at ALL. No one told them to make it p2p it's just b2p is the future. Don't you see the smart ones like Secret World converting ?

Also wheres the sources on a big update?

View PostProtoss, on 19 December 2012 - 09:32 AM, said:

As I said before, I think the bigger problem is that they are expanding on content we didn't buy GW2 for. I think a bunch of us would be absolutely thrilled if GW2 was more about cute outfits and beating enemies to a pulp instead of all the jumping puzzles, town clothes, crafting, harvesting, ...
I Disagree with you on jumping puzzles because they are actually fun. Crafting and Harvesting is grindy like any other game.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:53 AM

I wouldn't mind as much if we had a tonic storage tab. Right now they take way too much space in the storage to be any use.

#13 Lucas Ashrock

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:53 AM

Devs mentioned the "reborn" at jen feb update

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:58 AM

View PostExplosivePinata, on 19 December 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

Tonics are like Black Lion chests, an inconvenience that I have to destroy.
Why not one of the MMO developers out there understands this is beyond me.

Temporary transformation item/buff: 99.9% of people are going to destroy it and see it as a hindrance. It'll become a hated thing by the many. It'll never sell, even if the price is 1 gem.

Permanent toggle-based transformation item/buff: A good amount of people are going to find these desirable for the fun factor. Look at how popular the charr one was in GW1. They could likely sell these on the gem store for 1,000 gems a piece and that would fund the game for years to come.

To be honest, they wouldn't need predatory BS like forcing people to grind their life away or convert gems to gold if they had anything worth buying with gems. This is the damned problem. Make a product we want to buy and we'll buy it. Stop trying to force people to buy gems by making the game unfun to play unless you buy gems just to make it playable, let alone fun. BLARGH!

Why are marketing people as stupid as they are greedy?

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:24 AM

Why do they keep adding tonics, ugly weaponskins (I mean, cmon, gingerbread? Really?) and dye sets ("get one random red and green dye", wtf?) and plain weird hats (earmuffs? A santa hat that looks like a wet newspaper?) instead of stuff that is actually worth buying? GW1 costumes, where are you? Where's the cool weaponskins? Town clothes?

I don't hate tonics, but I hate that these things appear to take dev-time away from things that this game lacks, aka stuff worth buying.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:26 AM

I loved GW1 tonics and costumes because I could fight in that disguise, and that was awesome. Town clothes and tonics in GW2 are terrible. Can't do anything with them. I'd be more interested in them if I could fight with them.

View PostWaar Kijk Je Naar, on 19 December 2012 - 10:24 AM, said:

Why do they keep adding tonics, ugly weaponskins (I mean, cmon, gingerbread? Really?) and dye sets ("get one random red and green dye", wtf?) and plain weird hats (earmuffs? A santa hat that looks like a wet newspaper?) instead of stuff that is actually worth buying? GW1 costumes, where are you? Where's the cool weaponskins? Town clothes?

I don't hate tonics, but I hate that these things appear to take dev-time away from things that this game lacks, aka stuff worth buying.

Well the gingerbread stuff were in GW1, so at least it's consistently useless :)

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:27 AM

+1 for "Tonics are worthless"

I think I used them between 3 and 5 times just for the hell of it, right after I got one as a drop. All of the other ones I threw out.

Same goes for town clothes. I actually "bought" the free wizard's hat, equipped it, and to my surprise, the witch hat I was wearing since Halloween popped into my inventory. I never even toggled town clothes once since Halloween, so I forgot about it. So I deleted the wizard's hat and kept the Halloween one, cause it's cooler. (Never to be seen until another free hat comes out).

Minipets - until Wintersday I thought I'm just going to ignore minipets altogether, but making the princess doll was actually quite fun and I'm also looking forward to getting enough stuff to make a toy soldier. Then I realized that the problem with minipets for me is that they ONLY come through cash shop and so I don't see them as having any value. All you need to do to get them is open up your wallet and there's no interest in that. I also don't get what's so cool about owning them. It's all about the acquisition. They don't have any utility or any gameplay attached to them. So I guess minipets themselves are actually okay, the problem is also their impenetation.

Edited by Alleji, 19 December 2012 - 10:28 AM.


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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:36 AM

View PostCoren, on 19 December 2012 - 10:26 AM, said:

I loved GW1 tonics and costumes because I could fight in that disguise, and that was awesome. Town clothes and tonics in GW2 are terrible. Can't do anything with them. I'd be more interested in them if I could fight with them.

except that's exactly what town clothes in gw2 do? they give you special skills you can use in costume brawl?

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:39 AM

View PostSerris, on 19 December 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:



except that's exactly what town clothes in gw2 do? they give you special skills you can use in costume brawl?

Not talking about costume brawl. I meant going to the maps and fighting normally while transformed as an owl, a destroyer or margonite, or one of the heroes. GW1 you could do that and it was awesome. Keep your skills and only change appearance.

Of course those things were blocked in PvP.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:11 AM

View PostiLag, on 19 December 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

They are even worse than town clothes.
What town clothes? :s

You can always delete the tonics .. I know I do ^_^

View PostLavaSquid, on 19 December 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

the only tonic I dont hate: Baby Quaggan tonic
No idea what it does?

View PostCoren, on 19 December 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

Not talking about costume brawl. I meant going to the maps and fighting normally while transformed as an owl, a destroyer or margonite, or one of the heroes. GW1 you could do that and it was awesome. Keep your skills and only change appearance.

Of course those things were blocked in PvP.
Yes like fighting as an Ascalonian Ghost in AC 3 :-)

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:22 AM

I agree we will need less of this and more effort into new armor and weapon skins.

There cool but too much effort into them and not enough in other places.

Edited by Eon Lilu, 19 December 2012 - 11:22 AM.


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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:22 AM

Don't like them? Simply don't use them

I really don't see the problem.
It is not like they have spent several extra days in order to add these, seeing as the models already exists.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:01 PM

I can't stand them, as soon as one pops up in my inventory I just destroy it as they have absolutely no worth in the game.  There is no reason to ever use one at all.

Some of the consumable stuff in the same nature as tonics, like the fireworks, I'm ok with.  The fireworks you don't get as drops, you have to buy them separately, and they are from a merchant so they aren't tradeable otherwise.  But the tonics themselves, since they are worthless and drop out of chests (taking up what could have been a rare item instead of a worthless rare tonic), just annoy me.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:13 PM

View PostArquenya, on 19 December 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:


What town clothes? :s

You can always delete the tonics .. I know I do ^_^


No idea what it does?


Yes like fighting as an Ascalonian Ghost in AC 3 :-)

Exactly. Fighting as a ghost was fun, I want to do that with other skins, THEN I'll start keeping them.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:35 PM

I throw tonics away when I get them.
The only one that was fun was the polar bear one, but even then I can't DO anything so I have to get rid of it (plus it vanishes when you zone).

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:54 PM

You just know that one day there's going to be an achievement linked to those tonics, don't you?

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:57 PM

View PostEvans, on 19 December 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

You just know that one day there's going to be an achievement linked to those tonics, don't you?
Really? Source? Also, it will count from the day the ach is active, noone of us is planning to waste bank slots for a maybe (and maybe not ;) ) much more if the reward is just 5/10 points on your hero panel. Who gives a damn. Like minipet ach, who gives a  damn?

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 19 December 2012 - 12:59 PM.


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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:00 PM

View PostLucas Ashrock, on 19 December 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

Really? Source? Also, it will count from the day the ach is active, noone of us is planning to waste bank slots for a maybe (and maybe not ;) ) much more if the reward is just 5/10 points on your hero panel. Who gives a damn. Like minipet ach, who gives a  damn?

No they didn't say that, but you know everyone expects it.

#29 Lucas Ashrock

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:02 PM

So what. :huh:

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:04 PM

I'm sick of not finding anyone interested in costume brawl. They need to introduce some kind of arena battling with these little additions so that players can make good use of them.




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