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[Syncline]

Protoss, on 21 December 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

If the game isn't meant to be played for an eternity, why make it an MMO then? ^

Expansions.

If folks are burning through the content before new stuff is released  (especially from a vanilla release), then take a break until new content is released.

[stormofstatic]

Syncline, on 24 December 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

Expansions.

If folks are burning through the content before new stuff is released  (especially from a vanilla release), then take a break until new content is released.

one flaw in that if enough ppl are fed up with gw2 atm why would they buy the xpac unless it changes all the issues ? hint they wont.

anet has made the same mistake as biofail did with SWTOR a game by right should have been awesome but focused to much on soloplay and not team/end game not lauching a game with what other MMO's have as standard now is just madness and leaves u open to complaints

LFG in GW2 would work soooo much better than in WoW or rift as its just 5 dps who cares what u get as they said they didnt want ppl shouting LF monk well guess what LF monk got shorted to LFM LF1M or LF FoTM

and gw2 should have had atleast the same features as gw1 as u kno they MADE it

[Arewn]

stormofstatic, on 24 December 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

one flaw in that if enough ppl are fed up with gw2 atm why would they buy the xpac unless it changes all the issues ? hint they wont.

anet has made the same mistake as biofail did with SWTOR a game by right should have been awesome but focused to much on soloplay and not team/end game not lauching a game with what other MMO's have as standard now is just madness and leaves u open to complaints

LFG in GW2 would work soooo much better than in WoW or rift as its just 5 dps who cares what u get as they said they didnt want ppl shouting LF monk well guess what LF monk got shorted to LFM LF1M or LF FoTM

and gw2 should have had atleast the same features as gw1 as u kno they MADE it

He didn't say "got fed up", he said "burning through the content". This implies that they enjoyed and consumed the content, and are bored now that there's nothing new. They would come back for an expansion that adds content.
There's nothing wrong with taking breaks, the idea that a game should keep you busy indefinitely is a terrible one that the community latched on to.


That is, of course, not to say the game couldn't use improvements.

[stormofstatic]

Arewn, on 24 December 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

He didn't say "got fed up", he said "burning through the content". This implies that they enjoyed and consumed the content, and are bored now that there's nothing new. They would come back for an expansion that adds content.
There's nothing wrong with taking breaks, the idea that a game should keep you busy indefinitely is a terrible one that the community latched on to.


That is, of course, not to say the game couldn't use improvements.

ok, but see that bit of mmo RPG ppl tend to get sucked into the world or leave ppl buy mmorpgs to stay for years or thats the plan before they tank/suck thats the idea of a mmo a ever changing world that keeps ppl hooked look at WoW 8 year old and still going EQ/2 also and its even older, the idea of a normal genre of game to keep u playing indefinitely is terrible. if things dont improve in a big way ill be checking out PSO2 or seeing if FF14 reborns is F2P or B2P maybe even TESO tho that last one has SWTOR v2 all over it hehe.

[UNTYPABLExNAME]

DegX, on 21 December 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

I have full character, all quest, legendary items and all others and I don't know what to do more in this game.

All I want for Xmas is half of this guy's problems.

[Arewn]

stormofstatic, on 24 December 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

ok, but see that bit of mmo RPG ppl tend to get sucked into the world or leave ppl buy mmorpgs to stay for years or thats the plan before they tank/suck thats the idea of a mmo a ever changing world that keeps ppl hooked look at WoW 8 year old and still going EQ/2 also and its even older, the idea of a normal genre of game to keep u playing indefinitely is terrible. if things dont improve in a big way ill be checking out PSO2 or seeing if FF14 reborns is F2P or B2P maybe even TESO tho that last one has SWTOR v2 all over it hehe.

Just to let you know, PSO2 is amazing, been playing a bit on the japanese server (pm me if ya want links on how to do so).

I definitely get that the whole draw of an MMO is a persistent world you can interact with others in over the course of a long time, but I stand by what I said about THE GAME keeping you indefinitely playing. I'd go into greater detail on my thoughts, but I'm about to leave for Christmas dinner so... x.x bbl
Its true they need more social tools for those interactions that are the key to longevity in an MMO though.

[FreeBooteR]

There is no way any mmo can keep up with content for players who do nothing else but play their game 24/7. It's just not economically feasible. Having said that, i am amazed at the content we have been receiving as it is, with only having to pay the priginal box price! But the QQ forums are insatiable in their demands, but i think most people who play the game are quite satisfied. You'll never see the vast majority of happy gamers on the forums because they are too busy playing the game and having fun.

[stormofstatic]

FreeBooteR, on 24 December 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

There is no way any mmo can keep up with content for players who do nothing else but play their game 24/7. It's just not economically feasible. Having said that, i am amazed at the content we have been receiving as it is, with only having to pay the priginal box price! But the QQ forums are insatiable in their demands, but i think most people who play the game are quite satisfied. You'll never see the vast majority of happy gamers on the forums because they are too busy playing the game and having fun.

vast majority of happy gamers can u tell me what server has  vast majority of players happy or not desloation seems dead even with la overflow when in server proper i ran about and seen like 20 ppl tops nvm the empty zones when i lvled to 80 last week

and btw your amazed by 2 holiday events that will be rehased for years to come ? only content gw2 as recived is FoTm which has fractured the comunity even more cause no1 is out in the world they all in FoTm

[Arquenya]

FreeBooteR, on 24 December 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

the QQ forums are insatiable in their demands, but i think most people who play the game are quite satisfied. You'll never see the vast majority of happy gamers on the forums because they are too busy playing the game and having fun.

That's just an assumption. For instance: I mainly post on the forums when I'm at work.
Alternatively I could say that all the disappointed and bored people that already have quit don't post either so only those that somehow still find it worth playing still post, which is only a part of those that bought the game in the first place.

[Ritualist]

Syncline, on 24 December 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

Expansions.

If folks are burning through the content before new stuff is released  (especially from a vanilla release), then take a break until new content is released.

There is nothing about expansions that would demand that a game must be an MMO. Heck, since expansions will just further split the population, expansions make more sense if the game ISN'T an MMO.

[Red_Falcon]

You played GW2 one month and already have multiple legendaries... And all this on a Ranger.
Senseless boring, yup, you got the title right.

[witteker]

It seems OP is a troll.  Not sure why no-one caught this possibility.

[Lucas Ashrock]

FreeBooteR, on 24 December 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

There is no way any mmo can keep up with content for players who do nothing else but play their game 24/7. It's just not economically feasible.

Curious. Because gw1 did his way pretty perfectly for months and months, daily log.
So did wow, same for lotro, EQ.. do i have to continue?

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Having said that, i am amazed at the content we have been receiving as it is, with only having to pay the priginal box price!

Uh? Is it your first mmo maybe? Loads release new middle content for free, gw1 did too. (Except smart companies and games runned appropriately don't release junk ruining their own game and community hehe )

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But the QQ forums are insatiable in their demands, but i think most people who play the game are quite satisfied. You'll never see the vast majority of happy gamers on the forums because they are too busy playing the game and having fun.

You're quite illuded. Most of who was enough bored left. Most of who was a fanboy, looking company's attitude ignoring his own community, attempting to hide under the carpet the daily growing overload of complains, left. Grinders, disappointed of RNG, left.
Who you read still posting here are who still want to hope their money are wasted hoping on better days, filling the forum of disappointment and truth, fanboys left attempting on rare spot to bash someone, hoping to hide the truth. Sadly, in a funny way who makes us laugh, because they ended up pwned by the truth in a second hehe

Jeez if it's slow to download, this PSO2 new patch client (gw2 is not even the dust of it hehe)

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 26 December 2012 - 07:05 PM.

[witteker]

Lucas, being a PSO2 fanboy would know all, right?

[Lucas Ashrock]

I'm not. By far, i'm still downloading the client, if it's a fanboy for you
Nope, knowledge require brain, not fanboysm

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 26 December 2012 - 07:51 PM.

[DuskWolf]

witteker, on 26 December 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

Lucas, being a PSO2 fanboy would know all, right?

It might not be that so much as, well, the combat is clearly better in games like PSO2, TERA, and so on. GW2 relies exclusively on deterministic dice rolls, which is a problem for some people but beloved by others. It just depends on what you want. I've decided that I'm just sick and tired of deterministic dice rolls and I've moved on. It's why I'm not saying much around here any more.

I want a game to mean something when I play it. I don't want the instant gratification and guaranteed win of dice rolls, I want what I do to actually matter. And that's personal preference. I want a game which I can play, rather than just watch.

I worry that your view of what an MMO can be is limited by what you've played, just as mine may have been. You should try others and see what the difference is. Some will decide all outcomes based upon the roll of a dice, with absolutely no other factors involved, and this ist he camp GW2 falls into. Some will rely on the player to actually be able to play the game, to present some skill, situational awareness, to use their response times, and to (to my surprise) think tactically. Dice roll games have none of that.

I guess it's like the difference between playing Warhammer (the board game) or Yahtzee.

[witteker]

but you're a fanboy of anything other than gw2, which makes you a fanboy.

[Lucas Ashrock]

I doubt open mind and play games where without any doubt player skills are rewarded appropriately, compared to this badly programmed buttonspam zerg junk is be a fanboy. It's just a matter of logic and detach from fanboysm, then you can see the truth as it is. The opposite shortly

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 26 December 2012 - 08:00 PM.

[DuskWolf]

FreeBooteR, on 24 December 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

You'll never see the vast majority of happy gamers on the forums because they are too busy playing the game and having fun.

Can you tell me which server all these 'happy people' play on? I'd like to wander into a random zone and see people talking about how much of a fun time they're having, or to even be able to ask and get a positive response.

Frankly, at this point? It seems like most people are doing one of three things:

1.) They're grinding fractals of the mists and hoping for a miracle.
2.) They're playing the tutorial area because they're new (Christmas sales), they'll likely end up with 1.
3.) They've left the game.

I'm genuinely fascinated to see whether I could go onto any server at this point, head to a random zone, and have a positive conversation about how the game isn't currently kind of broken and too deterministic (taking choices and capability away from the player).

witteker, on 26 December 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

but you're a fanboy of anything other than deterministic dice rolls which take away a player's choices (such as exploring, or actually playing well).

Fixed that for you. :/

And yes, that's completely true.

[Lucas Ashrock]

Lol, i'm looking forward too to know which is this magical happy server where everyone is smiling enjoying the game in the fullest not even a bit disappointed about nothing, all around the world on every zone, with pure enjoyiment. Rofl

I saw before when i was wasting my time doing a 30 daily a guy on map typing, breaking the silence "Hey, where in the hell is everyone, this map chat is silent from nearly 1 hour" I answered him LOL and an other guy told him "we are on overflow, try your main" "i was on my main for 2 hours, mute"

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 26 December 2012 - 08:04 PM.

[witteker]

Lucas Ashrock, on 26 December 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

I doubt open mind and play games where without any doubt player skills are rewarded appropriately, compared to this badly programmed zerg junk is be a fanboy. It's just a matter of logic and detach from fanboysm, then you can see the truth as it is. The opposite shortly

But that exactly constitutes what a non-gw2 fanboy is.

[Lucas Ashrock]

We aren't. We use the brain, and now disappointed of the product we bough. And moved on better games. A fanboy cannot even comtemplate the basic concept of it.
Still hoping our waste of money will give us something worthy one day, after all this game would have been so much better with so much potential.

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 26 December 2012 - 08:07 PM.

[Jobuu]

Shamadamun, on 21 December 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

I think GW2 just needs a few more sandboxy features...

agreed. i took a break for now. i just started the 2nd beta for age of wushu and while it's got its problems, i'm really liking the openness of it

[Rhododendron]

Suggestions:

♥ stand near a busy portal and count how many people go through; sort them by gender, profession, race; make a list; let everyone know your findings in the chat every 15 minutes.

♥ say stuff like : Giving away FREE stuff, for a limited time only, i am at "place" for the next 5 minutes, giving away as i said FREE all my stuff, etc. When someone shows up send them a rusty caterpillar fingernail or the like.

♥ follow someone through a whole area and beyond, use one of those things that turn you into an owl or stuff, be their shadow, if they fight , observe from a safe distance, if they go choose another guy, if they die - never resurrect them.

♥ observe the wilderness, count all the NPC's in an area, make a screenshot of each and write down on every photo, how big they are, how many fingers, what weapons they have, how old they look, how many times have they been killed for a week, each day between 14.00 - 15.00 UTC (who killed them, what profession, race, sex, level - make a spreadsheet, a graph, publish your results, become famous)

[Arquenya]

Arewn, on 24 December 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

He didn't say "got fed up", he said "burning through the content". This implies that they enjoyed and consumed the content, and are bored now that there's nothing new.

Yes indeed.

One of the things with GW2 is that it's all been made so easy. You can do almost every dungeon first try (thanks to the WPs), everyone can become the "best crafter" without any effort. By basically giving everything away, the game hardly has any demand for players improvement, learning and forcing players to play smart and work together. Challenges .. you have to invent those yourself if you're not into ticking off "achievements lists" ..

People only `burn through` the content because it´s designed that way.
With the same amount of content but different game mechanics you could keep hardcore players busy for a year!

Edited by Arquenya, 26 December 2012 - 10:45 PM.

[Dimos Zargarda]

I feel you man, ive been playing GW1 for 5 years, but GW2 gets me bored so fast, as soon as I hit 80 I get the best gear, try out few dungeons and reroll.... only Necro and Engi missing at 80, wonder what il do after lol.

Anyway, the problem (for me atleast) are the weapon based skills, the thing that skills come with your weapons. In GW1 we were able to make our own builds, hell look at GW1 wiki, ul find over 1000 builds for EVERY class, thats not possible in GW2, hence why it makes it so boring. If you take 1 class, only 1 from GW1, it will have more skills than ALL classes put together from GW2.

I do love this game but I came here from such a great game like GW1, idk how they could make such a big mistake with not allowing us to make our own builds, it was THE one thing GW1 had that no other MMO I know of did.

[Fenice_86]

GW1 > GW2
Diablo 2 > Diablo 3

GW1 = over
Diablo 2 = over

Me = enjoying real life again

LOL

edit: 101% agree with the guy above me

Edited by Fenice_86, 27 December 2012 - 01:11 PM.

[Craywulf]

Protoss, on 21 December 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

If the game isn't meant to be played for an eternity, why make it an MMO then? Why not make it into an instanced game, with the option of co-operative online play - something in the lines of GW1 or D3

Totally flawed logic. MMOs which are generally designed for longterm playability are not going last for eternity. Players have various rates of play. I could spend hours doing what you might achieve in minutes. There's only so much a game designer can do to keep you entertained. Players get bored for whatever personal reasons. Ultimately everyone moves on, otherwise we'd all still be playing Ultima Online.

Some games can drive players to boredom quicker than others. So they need to move on as opposed to expecting the developers to fix the problem. They can try, but people are still going to get bored. It's inevitable.

[stormofstatic]

Craywulf, on 27 December 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

Totally flawed logic. MMOs which are generally designed for longterm playability are not going last for eternity. Players have various rates of play. I could spend hours doing what you might achieve in minutes. There's only so much a game designer can do to keep you entertained. Players get bored for whatever personal reasons. Ultimately everyone moves on, otherwise we'd all still be playing Ultima Online.

Some games can drive players to boredom quicker than others. So they need to move on as opposed to expecting the developers to fix the problem. They can try, but people are still going to get bored. It's inevitable.

that dont work for gw2 as in gw2 there is nothing to aim for gw1 i collected every mini pet there was bar the uber rare i collected armor for my ranger also.  mini's in gw2 i must stump up real cash to rng for minis gold >gems is geting higher 8gold for 230gems atm DR kicks means u cant farm alot of gold per hr so if u want minis you must pay, anet is that greedy that minis are account bound so you cant even trade them if u end up with doubles

gw2 makes everyone equal thats fine but it does make a boring game that once u reach the peak (lvl 80) there isnt much to keep u playing, collect armor ? why would u want 7 sets of ugly medium armor these guys nvr did the gw1 ranger/assasin/derv sets as its a mile away from them

[Heart Collector]

Dimos Zargarda, on 27 December 2012 - 11:23 AM, said:

I feel you man, ive been playing GW1 for 5 years, but GW2 gets me bored so fast, as soon as I hit 80 I get the best gear, try out few dungeons and reroll.... only Necro and Engi missing at 80, wonder what il do after lol.

Anyway, the problem (for me atleast) are the weapon based skills, the thing that skills come with your weapons. In GW1 we were able to make our own builds, hell look at GW1 wiki, ul find over 1000 builds for EVERY class, thats not possible in GW2, hence why it makes it so boring. If you take 1 class, only 1 from GW1, it will have more skills than ALL classes put together from GW2.

I do love this game but I came here from such a great game like GW1, idk how they could make such a big mistake with not allowing us to make our own builds, it was THE one thing GW1 had that no other MMO I know of did.

I like the idea of weapon-based skills - but I would love it if ANet included more of these in later major content patches/expansions... Of course with the ability to customize our weapon skill bar the way we do with our utility bar. Or at least, a "skill rune" system similar to Diablo 3 which allows us to modify our already existing skills.

Oh, and of course, the option to rebind our left and right mouse buttons + camera turn without having to hold right click + crosshairs... Well, essentially the combat mod but officially as an option.