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[Perm Shadow Form]

Never cared about gear in GW1. Sure I had over 500k but I never bothered making Obsidian armor.
That being said, I did farm UW and FoW.

Was is repetitive? Yes.
Was it more interesting/fun than GW2 PvE? Yes.

There was a sense of accomplishment when you finished UW, defeated Dhuum and opened chest.
Everyone worked as a team, everyone had their role, you had to rely on your team mates, if they fail, the whole team fails.
Not to mention, players were much more social in GW1 than in GW2. People actually used the team chat, much , much more often.

When I got bored with PvE, I usually played PvP - AB/RA  with some gimmicky builds, like Ranger Elementalist or Obi Tank Ele stalling the whole game for more than 10 minutes.

In GW2? There's no customization whatsoever. Its shallow, too easy, too casual, lacking depth.

In all honestly, I have no idea what keeps me playing GW2.
If it was named Elder Dragons or something, I would have NEVER bought this game.

Edited by Perm Shadow Form, 23 December 2012 - 12:40 AM.

[Bloodtau]

Swarfega, on 21 December 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

Well, after 5 minutes try to not delete the character your playing?

Also, show me your "legendary weapons" please.

Legendary weapons aren't the end game in GW2. The majority of players find them nothing but a boring grind hence will never get them or even attempt to get them. Doesn't stop the game being boring.

[Trei]

I started my "endgame" the minute I completed my character creation.

Is there a reason my game should change once I hit 80?

Or should anet have simply locked up a majority of content to 80 and confine 1-79 to a filler game experience everyone just wants to get over and done with asap, life those other mmos you are used to?

Yeah maybe they should have made all the exploratory dungeons 80 only, and wvw, and ...?

Do I expect my BF3 game play to suddenly change into something else once I get max rank? No.
So what if its not an mmo? The principle is the same.

if you do not enjoy the game content types before 80 to continue playing them past  80, what is there to say here? Its ultimately your preference.

[Arquenya]

Trei, on 23 December 2012 - 02:06 AM, said:

I started my "endgame" the minute I completed my character creation.

It depends on how you define "endgame". I think the most common definition would be "whatever is there do to once you reach max level", as generally a lot of content is only available for max level only.
You´re basically saying that endgame has no meaning to you because I'd think that "end" game would implicitely imply a "begin" part and a "middle" part, which you say doesn't exist.

Trei, on 23 December 2012 - 02:06 AM, said:

Or should anet have simply locked up a majority of content to 80 and confine 1-79 to a filler game experience everyone just wants to get over and done with asap, life those other mmos you are used to?

What's in your view the difference between how GW2 does it and how "those other mmos you are used to" do it?
Because i don't really see any fundemental changes.

Edited by Arquenya, 23 December 2012 - 02:51 AM.

[Marc1k1]

Simple answer for OP would be to just stop playing for a while, pick up another game (preferably a single player one) and give that a whirl for awhile.

If you spend a hell of a lot of time on something it will get pretty tiresome, I think you just need to wait until some more content is released but like I said until then just enjoy another game, after all MMO's are pretty big time-sinks so you'll probably have loads of free time to either do something else or play some other games and trust me, there are plenty of good games released this year!

Have fun.

[BuddhaKeks]

Okay OP, you do realize that the point of GW2 not having subscription fees is that you can jump in and out whenever you want? Bored? Just stop playing for a while and whenever you feel like "hey I should check out GW2 again" do it.

Besides that, monthly content updates... for free! What's not to love? I still log on daily, right now to do some wintersday activities or fractals with my core team.

[Trei]

Arquenya, on 23 December 2012 - 02:20 AM, said:

It depends on how you define "endgame". I think the most common definition would be "whatever is there do to once you reach max level", as generally a lot of content is only available for max level only.
You´re basically saying that endgame has no meaning to you because I'd think that "end" game would implicitely imply a "begin" part and a "middle" part, which you say doesn't exist.

What's in your view the difference between how GW2 does it and how "those other mmos you are used to" do it?
Because i don't really see any fundemental changes.

I can still do at 80 whatever I had been doing before.

Its not as lucrative material gains wise for lower lvl areas but its not obsolete.

What are the contents you feel should be held back from players until 80 however?

Large scale activities involving lots of players?
I experienced that at lvl 5 in GW2.

What's the real reason why we could not do activaties involving more than the minimum players for a group in other mmos?
Why were there such things as end game raids in wow?

Why were there no 40man raids at lvl 30?
Why no arenas for players below max lvl?

Why should the most meaningful activities and content types be restricted to Max Level?

[Lucas Ashrock]

Trei, on 23 December 2012 - 03:20 AM, said:

Why should the most meaningful activities and content types be restricted to Max Level?

So you agree gw2 lack of design and proper reasons to play it as any other mmo with short and long term goals. Or not?

[Trei]

Lucas Ashrock, on 23 December 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:

So you agree gw2 lack of design and proper reasons to play it as any other mmo with short and long term goals. Or not?

It isn't any other mmo, so I don't play it like any other mmo.

But i do still have both short and long term goals.

Exotics and specific armor designs are some of my long term goals and I just completed leveling to  80 as one of my short term ones, soon to add huntsman 400 to the list.

You not liking gw2 design != lack of design

[Lucas Ashrock]

We all explained with tiny details how many lack of design this game has, plus many others did on other threads too.
I'm not planning to spend in single line more copy pasting them.
To everyone his target, enjoy i guess
I was just wondering what's your point with the part i quoted, related to the thread
(i will never understand your picture and your behaviour as player to be honest but it's an other story )

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 23 December 2012 - 08:07 AM.

[Arquenya]

Trei, on 23 December 2012 - 03:20 AM, said:

I can still do at 80 whatever I had been doing before.
Its not as lucrative material gains wise for lower lvl areas but its not obsolete.

Large scale activities involving lots of players?
I experienced that at lvl 5 in GW2.

What's the real reason why we could not do activaties involving more than the minimum players for a group in other mmos?
Why were there such things as end game raids in wow?

Why were there no 40man raids at lvl 30?
Why no arenas for players below max lvl?

Games like WAR and Rift have open world events, they're just more static but also more predictable and always have some nice rewards. In WoW you can do dungeons from lvl8 on and there's dozens of them while levelling. Most games have long chain quests with quite intriguing plotlines, which GW2 doesn't really have.

Sorry, but I still fail to see how you can say "Or should anet have simply locked up a majority of content to 80 and confine 1-79 to a filler game experience everyone just wants to get over and done with asap, life those other mmos you are used to?"
Because I still don't see how GW2 does it so much differently. I still don't see the GW2 population equally spread out between all the zones but they're still mainly doing "endgame" content like fractals or dungeons. Exactly like in "those other mmo's".

Trei, on 23 December 2012 - 03:20 AM, said:

Why should the most meaningful activities and content types be restricted to Max Level?
What are the contents you feel should be held back from players until 80 however?

I never said it should.

Edited by Arquenya, 23 December 2012 - 03:41 PM.

[MisterJaguar25]

I'll never understand why people choose to sit on a forum and bitch about a game they no longer enjoy. When I originally quit playing this game back in september (I'm back now after playing MOP), I stopped posting here and moved on with my life. I had complaints, but I moved on. When I quit Rift recently, I stopped posting their forums, I had complaints, but yet again, I moved on. I think giving constructive feedback is good, but if you don't feel that your issues with the game will be resolved any time soon, or ever, or you're just wanting to complain for the sake of complaining, I think you should just let it go and move on. I get the feeling that some of you are bitter about the game and refuse to let it go.

I've said my piece to the OP, in regards to his issue, and I don't think there's anything more to say.

Edited by MisterJaguar25, 23 December 2012 - 05:31 PM.

[Daesu]

MisterJaguar25, on 23 December 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

I'll never understand why people choose to sit on a forum and bitch about a game they no longer enjoy.

Who are you going to bitch to otherwise?  This is a mostly solo game.
Unless you love to talk to yourself within the game, this is one of the best places to discuss about the game.  Like I have said before, if you prefer a forum with minimal bitching there is always the official forums.

Edited by Daesu, 23 December 2012 - 06:28 PM.

[AKGeo]

Daesu, on 23 December 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

Who are you going to bitch to otherwise?  This is a mostly solo game.
Unless you love to talk to yourself within the game, this is one of the best places to discuss about the game.  Like I have said before, if you prefer a forum with minimal bitching there is always the official forums.

Then why not just cease bitching about the game altogether? Is your life so pointless that you have no choice but to annoy others with your endless rantings about a game you either don't play any more, or even worse: still play but do not enjoy playing?

Why do people feel the need to continue playing a game they don't enjoy playing? Is it a job? Does it pay the bills? Honestly, if I had a hobby that I didn't enjoy doing and did not offer me any rewards, I'd stop doing it. I'd stop talking about it on forums. I'd stop visiting the forums for it altogether. It's POINTLESS to continue.

So either way, you're ridiculous for bitching about the game, regardless of the venue. In-game, the unofficial forums, the official forums, it makes no difference. If you dislike everything about the game so much that you feel the urge to come here and whinge about it non-stop, then why are you playing? And if you're not playing, why are you wasting your life? Pick up a guitar and learn some songs. Go rock climbing. Buy a car and make it better. There are countless things in this world that you can do instead of playing and/or whinging about a video game you hate so much.

And if there are things about the game which you still actually DO enjoy, then do those. If you miss doing something else and you're prevented from doing so because of a bug, then bitch about the bug in that context. You've said repeatedly that since you got to 98% explorer you ran out of things you enjoyed doing, because everything else seemed to require some form of PvP which you abhor. Well then, you've run out of game. Time to end your suffering. Uninstall it, and move on. If you got your money's worth out of it, so be it. If not, oh well...the game offered more but you chose not to partake. It's like buying a Ferrari for $200k but driving it the same as you would a $50k Ford. You didn't get your money's worth out of it because you chose not to...although the opportunity was there for you to get it all.

Edited by AKGeo, 23 December 2012 - 08:08 PM.

[stormofstatic]

BuddhaKeks, on 23 December 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

Okay OP, you do realize that the point of GW2 not having subscription fees is that you can jump in and out whenever you want? Bored?

so while your gone your on lvl 1 FoTm everyone else is now 100+ but u can just jump back in ? this isnt gw1 this is some messed up game that doesnt kno what it wants to be.

[AKGeo]

stormofstatic, on 23 December 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

so while your gone your on lvl 1 FoTm everyone else is now 100+ but u can just jump back in ? this isnt gw1 this is some messed up game that doesnt kno what it wants to be.

So you're basing it all on fractals, easily less than a percent of the game, whose rewards only benefit further play of that same less-than-a-percent of the game? You can't use ascended gear in PvP. Everyone's on the same level. Ascended gear doesn't make or break WvW. And you can easily finish any of the dungeons without it. Fractals is not the entirety of the game, although it seems that way lately.

[stormofstatic]

AKGeo, on 23 December 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

So you're basing it all on fractals, easily less than a percent of the game, whose rewards only benefit further play of that same less-than-a-percent of the game? You can't use ascended gear in PvP. Everyone's on the same level. Ascended gear doesn't make or break WvW. And you can easily finish any of the dungeons without it. Fractals is not the entirety of the game, although it seems that way lately.

so thats why i see LFM farming orr !!!! no wait its just LFM FotM they made it have the best rewards ppl flock to it so yes FoTM is the beall and end all atm until the next "teir"

[AKGeo]

stormofstatic, on 23 December 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

so thats why i see LFM farming orr !!!! no wait its just LFM FotM they made it have the best rewards ppl flock to it so yes FoTM is the beall and end all atm until the next "teir"

I still see people doing regular dungeons. I'm running around the explorable maps and constantly running into real players doing real content (not just the bots). I also gave you the point that fractals seems to be the dominant feature of this game, but it's in no way the only way of making a profit or gaining what you need to play the rest of the game. Its ONLY benefit is ascended gear. And you don't NEED it.

Not to mention that they're fixing it so that a lower level player can run in higher level groups, but with lower rewards.

[Daesu]

AKGeo, on 23 December 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Then why not just cease bitching about the game altogether? Is your life so pointless that you have no choice but to annoy others with your endless rantings about a game you either don't play any more, or even worse: still play but do not enjoy playing?

Why do people feel the need to continue playing a game they don't enjoy playing? Is it a job? Does it pay the bills? Honestly, if I had a hobby that I didn't enjoy doing and did not offer me any rewards, I'd stop doing it. I'd stop talking about it on forums. I'd stop visiting the forums for it altogether. It's POINTLESS to continue.

So either way, you're ridiculous for bitching about the game, regardless of the venue. In-game, the unofficial forums, the official forums, it makes no difference. If you dislike everything about the game so much that you feel the urge to come here and whinge about it non-stop, then why are you playing? And if you're not playing, why are you wasting your life? Pick up a guitar and learn some songs. Go rock climbing. Buy a car and make it better. There are countless things in this world that you can do instead of playing and/or whinging about a video game you hate so much.

And if there are things about the game which you still actually DO enjoy, then do those. If you miss doing something else and you're prevented from doing so because of a bug, then bitch about the bug in that context. You've said repeatedly that since you got to 98% explorer you ran out of things you enjoyed doing, because everything else seemed to require some form of PvP which you abhor. Well then, you've run out of game. Time to end your suffering. Uninstall it, and move on. If you got your money's worth out of it, so be it. If not, oh well...the game offered more but you chose not to partake. It's like buying a Ferrari for $200k but driving it the same as you would a $50k Ford. You didn't get your money's worth out of it because you chose not to...although the opportunity was there for you to get it all.

Why should anyone stop bitching about the game?  Are you the ArenaNet appointed PR police?  You don't have to visit bitching threads if you don't want to.  Nobody points a gun to your head to force you to click on it.

Perhaps some of us really enjoy talking about problems in the game, so why should we stop.  There is nothing wrong with that, if you dont like the topic, you don't have to click it or go to the official forums, which is heavily moderated.

Telling people what to talk about and what not to talk about makes you sound like a self-appointed forum police, but you don't own this forum so you don't have the right to do that.  You are free to setup your own forum if you can't stand our topics of discussion or go to another forum.

Edited by Daesu, 23 December 2012 - 09:23 PM.

[AKGeo]

Daesu, on 23 December 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

Why should anyone stop bitching about the game?  Are you the ArenaNet appointed PR police?  You don't have to visit bitching threads if you don't want to.  Nobody points a gun to your head to force you to click on it.

Perhaps some of us really enjoy talking about problems in the game.  There is nothing wrong with that, if you dont like the topic, don't click it on it or go to the official forums, which is heavily moderated.

How hypocritical of you.

I'm not saying you cannot bitch about the game. I'm saying that there's no point to it. And if your idea of a good time is stressing yourself out about a game you don't play on a forum full of people who don't really give a damn, then I feel sorry for you and anyone around you, because I'll bet that you're nowhere near an enjoyable person to associate with.

[Daesu]

AKGeo, on 23 December 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

How hypocritical of you.

I'm not saying you cannot bitch about the game. I'm saying that there's no point to it. And if your idea of a good time is stressing yourself out about a game you don't play on a forum full of people who don't really give a damn, then I feel sorry for you and anyone around you, because I'll bet that you're nowhere near an enjoyable person to associate with.

As long as we enjoy discussing that topic, then that is the point.  We are not stressing ourselves out about the game, despite what you said.  We are complaining about certain aspects of the game, but it seems you are more stressed out about our complaints than we are.  

You don't have to click on our topics if you don't want to.  It is even more pointless to click on a topic that you dislike seeing and stressing yourself trying to convince others to stop complaining about the game.

Edited by Daesu, 23 December 2012 - 09:28 PM.

[Norseman]

I dunno, quit like other people and spend months trolling forums for a game you don't play anymore? Seems what lots of people do.

I'm not bored yet and have been playing since beta also. Everywhere I look there are things to do. I submit that this is just not your kind of game.

[Daesu]

Norseman, on 23 December 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

I dunno, quit like other people and spend months trolling forums for a game you don't play anymore? Seems what lots of people do

If the forum rules says that everyone must be active player (defining "active") in order to post here then fine, but they don't.  I think the official forum at least require an in-game username and password.  Besides, GW2 is a game that allows you to quit for a period and return if you want to.

[Millimidget]

Trei, on 23 December 2012 - 02:06 AM, said:

Is there a reason my game should change once I hit 80?

No, but the sub-80 content isn't very rewarding post-80, and even less so now that gear treadmill is coming online.

Unless you're one of those few people that levels 5+ classes simultaneously and lack the motivation to stick to one class. But players like that will be fine in any MMO so long as they like the PvE, because they never escape that leveling PvE. I personally gave up on ADD rerolling long ago.

[Draehl]

I think that so many of us have been sitting here for years waiting for THE MMO to come out. After Blizzard stagnated the development of WoW around Burning Crusade many of us have been waiting for something innovative to take root. GW2 had an amazing casual yet hardcore (the best aspects of both IMO) philosophy behind it, with the problem being execution- not a lack of endgame/gear grind or what have you. To me it came down to the combat just not being very deep to me- the skills are mechanically simplistic- likely due to everything being to tied to generic boons/conditions, and I've lobbied on the official forum to get a major rework to the weapon/utility skills and traits.

I'll continue to complain until the game becomes entirely un-enjoyable, fixed, or concrete details of a more promising MMO are released.

Edited by Draehl, 23 December 2012 - 11:45 PM.

[Trei]

So you say you are bored in GW2.
I guess that's just it then.

There are many things to do in the game, but it appears you have lost interest in all of them, since you claimed to have done them all.
No one can tell you what is fun for you, if you simply don't find it fun.

But the thing is, I don't think you started this thread for the actual intention of asking for help in finding fun back into GW2.
In fact, I don't believe a single word in your first post.

To me, it's basically a flamebait and I'm surprised it lasted 3 pages.

Edited by unraveled, 24 December 2012 - 10:55 AM.
Thanks ;)

[Lucas Ashrock]

Mostly, i was looking forward to a constructive post of someone suggesting alternative activities to pass the time ingame more than grind a legendary weapon. Oh, he has one. Now what? I'm still looking forward to a constructive post, because i wonder the same. Now what? Reroll? Oh please. So?

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 24 December 2012 - 05:44 AM.

[Darkobra]

Lucas Ashrock, on 24 December 2012 - 05:43 AM, said:

Mostly, i was looking forward to a constructive post of someone suggesting alternative activities to pass the time ingame more than grind a legendary weapon. Oh, he has one. Now what? I'm still looking forward to a constructive post, because i wonder the same. Now what? Reroll? Oh please. So?

What's wrong with trying alternate classes with vastly different play styles? It breathes new life into the game in a lot of cases. See things you haven't seen before. Different starter areas, factions, paths of quests.

Once you've seen all that, you can tell me there's no need to reroll.

[blindude]

Lucas Ashrock, on 24 December 2012 - 05:43 AM, said:

Mostly, i was looking forward to a constructive post of someone suggesting alternative activities to pass the time ingame more than grind a legendary weapon. Oh, he has one. Now what? I'm still looking forward to a constructive post, because i wonder the same. Now what? Reroll? Oh please. So?

P-V-P
You are welcome..At this point i really want to say that i have no sypathy for the people that play mmorpgs just to get new shiny things and refuse to play against or with other players just for the sake of it.
If getting everything in the game and becoming super rich marks the end for an mmorpg for you then really just GTFO

Edited by blindude, 24 December 2012 - 08:36 AM.

[Lucas Ashrock]

Ye i like pvp. And maybe reroll can be a good experience. I guess was the answers the OP was wondering on opening.

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 24 December 2012 - 10:58 AM.