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#31 jirayasan

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 03:51 PM

It's the community that restricts if players can join a pug or not, ArenaNet only give us the content. If there's douchebags that can't take a lvl 60 character in a fractal below difficulty 10 that's kind of sad.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 04:29 PM

View Postjirayasan, on 22 December 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

It's the community that restricts if players can join a pug or not, ArenaNet only give us the content. If there's douchebags that can't take a lvl 60 character in a fractal below difficulty 10 that's kind of sad.

This would be true if T0 gave you the EXACT same rewards as T1000. But since the game rewards you better the further you go in, it is absolutely insane to expect that players will gimp themselves by  playing against the design of the game.
Sorry but no, it's completely A.Net's fault.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 04:38 PM

View PostProtoss, on 22 December 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

This would be true if T0 gave you the EXACT same rewards as T1000. But since the game rewards you better the further you go in, it is absolutely insane to expect that players will gimp themselves by  playing against the design of the game.
Sorry but no, it's completely A.Net's fault.

I'm talking about some players below difficulty 10 not taking low level characters with them. Difficulty 10 and above you need exotic, max stats and infusions.

#34 Baron von Scrufflebutt

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 05:05 PM

View Postjirayasan, on 22 December 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

I'm talking about some players below difficulty 10 not taking low level characters with them. Difficulty 10 and above you need exotic, max stats and infusions.

In a game with vertical progression it doesn't make sense to not go with the best stats you can find.
Once again, A.Net's fantastic decision.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 05:12 PM

View PostProtoss, on 22 December 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

In a game with vertical progression it doesn't make sense to not go with the best stats you can find.
Once again, A.Net's fantastic decision.

And yet there is not a single place in the whole damn game that requires those "best stats".

Indeed, ArenaNets fantastic decision to not have the best stats in order to do most of the game, I totally agree.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 05:12 PM

I think PuGs will repeat level 10 for the ascended rings (they sort of already do). Also players are very likely to do only the even fractal levels because you get the daily reward there.

Still though I wouldn't be too surprised if we start seeing some gear checks for higher level fractals which is an unfortunate side effect. Unless of course there's a way of seeing how deep each individual member can go, then I imagine players in +20 fractals will recruit players who are 20+ as well (which I like better but we'll see).

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 05:26 PM

View PostProtoss, on 22 December 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

In a game with vertical progression it doesn't make sense to not go with the best stats you can find.
Once again, A.Net's fantastic decision.

Yes I don't see the problem?

People that do not have the best armor stayin lower tiers (they can experience all content there, there is no gating) or they can try higher level tiers to see if they're capable of completing them.
And people that do have the armor/infusions can go higher higher just for the sake of being able to say they're at a certain tier.

There is no difference with the PvP titles.
Casuals will have a hard time getting in the high level of those titles, the hardcore PvP'ers will keep progressing, but that has absolutely no effect on other parts of the game. :)

Edited by Gilles VI, 22 December 2012 - 05:27 PM.


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Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:21 PM

Exactly what I suggested a while ago. Glad to see a system like this for Fractals. Should make it so much better getting a party.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:26 PM

BEST UPDATE EVER

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:21 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 22 December 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

A rather interesting thing here will be how they will handle Agony.

A lvl 1 Fractal  player have most likely 0 Agony Resistance, but if he joins a lvl 20 Fractal he will face rather strong Agony.



Who said it was working now?
Better to test it a few weeks before than launch it now with some dangerous bug that resets peoples progress or something like that.

Quite fun how people complain about them putting in untested stuff, and when they do test stuff people complain that they don't release it now.

Because they discussed it, I assumed it was either ready to go or almost ready to go. Anet usually doesn't discuss fixes until they're pretty far along in the process. If they can say it'll be ready to deploy at the end of January instead of "when it's done", then they must be either really far along in the bug fix process or finished.

#41 JACK the Somnolent

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:32 PM

Now if only there was something worth spending Karma on...

#42 Shayne Hawke

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:09 AM

View PostJACK the Somnolent, on 22 December 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

Now if only there was something worth spending Karma on...

Indeed.  I took a look at what I could spend karma on since lately, my bank has been getting cluttered with multiples of these +karma consumables.  The only thing that seems to cost a great amount of karma is the god armor.  If I don't want that, what good does the karma do me?

#43 blindude

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 07:54 AM

yay for the change NO for having to wait till end of january.
Im level 1 god dammit and want to do some farming during holiday season :(

Edited by blindude, 23 December 2012 - 07:55 AM.


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Posted 23 December 2012 - 09:57 AM

View PostEon Lilu, on 22 December 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

I play with friends / guildies and also pug sometimes since I play at night sometimes.

Your argument is a terrible one, they put content in the game for everyone, to say "oh they let pugs play but it's not for them" is a lame excuse.

You make an assumption that someone can have an opinions like "pug groups will be worse" and assume that person only pugs....

I can still have an opinion or observation on something even if I don't spend 100% of my time in pugs...so keep your assumptions to yourself :P

Point was by allowing say a lvl 2 players play with lvl 20+ players....you will get this...lfg lvl 23 fractals....player joins fractal, team wipes because 2 of the players keep going down, oh sorry guys I dont have any agony resists and I have no idea what to do at higher levels, im only lvl 2....

You see what I mean? More time wasted getting groups to find out you have 1-2 players who are not ready for the content. They would not have the experience and learning process of the earlier fractals to know what to do. To know what gear or builds to bring. They can get away with no agony if there good, but they can't get away with having no idea how the higher level mechanics work.

So the chances of you getting more "gear checking" more " must be this and that to join" and the higher chance of you getting fail pug groups....will go up ten fold because of these changes.

So there saving players time by fixing the disconnects, but wasting a ton of players time with this badly thought out new lvling system with fractals.

So lower level players will stay have trouble finding groups and unless you have "this" and "that" will basically still be locked out of doing fractals.
Why do people keep assuming level <10 will group for level 20+. The example ANet used was bad but only a moron would actually do something like that. This helps people get into fractals because instead of waiting for a scale 1 group they can now join with a scale 5 group.

And yes people will most likely ask what each members' individual scale is but the fact you can now group with people slightly higher or lower than you counters this. Frankly, this update is a godsend for people doing scale 40+.

On a side note, I wonder if we'll still have to be in the same instance of LA to actually enter.

Edited by cookieeater1, 23 December 2012 - 10:24 AM.


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Posted 23 December 2012 - 12:42 PM

View Postcookieeater1, on 23 December 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

Why do people keep assuming level <10 will group for level 20+. The example ANet used was bad but only a moron would actually do something like that. This helps people get into fractals because instead of waiting for a scale 1 group they can now join with a scale 5 group.

And yes people will most likely ask what each members' individual scale is but the fact you can now group with people slightly higher or lower than you counters this. Frankly, this update is a godsend for people doing scale 40+.

On a side note, I wonder if we'll still have to be in the same instance of LA to actually enter.

I agree they needed to do something but your assuming people are not morons and lvl 5's won't try and join lvl 25's without knowing what to do or any agony resists and without telling anyone in the group there actually only lvl 5...they will wait until the party wipes and then just leave.

We will have to see how it is implemented but the system there planning on using seems badly thought out, open to abuse and griefers and just generally not a good system. It will make players want to check gears and builds and if you have this and that more, it will also increase the chance of fail pug groups ten fold.

It will probably end up having a negative effect on lower levels fractal players because they will have to jump through more hoops to get into groups and more players will be worried about having a fail pug they will insist on only bringing the current level players and tell everyone else to piss off.

I don't agree with it but that will happen if Anet design a system like they described. Hopefully they take player feedback and make some changes before now and end of jan.

If they do move FOTM out of LA it could be harder to group up with other servers players, we need an overflow server to play players from another server in fractals, in LA we get a overflow right away 90% of the time making it alot easier.

They did say there fixing disconnects, maybe they will also fix it so we don't need an overflow to play with players from other servers for FOTM's anymore.

Edited by Eon Lilu, 23 December 2012 - 12:53 PM.


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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:31 PM

Something to note: A player at fractal 1 will not want to do fractal 10+, it will be harder but not give any better rewards.

(reward level = min( player fractal level, fractal of level you are playing )

A player at level 1 fractal can join level 2-4 and find a group easier.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:35 PM

I love this change but was disappointed when it said END OF JANUARY. :S Does it really take that long time to fix?
Well, at least I have something to look forward to. I won't be doing much of FOTM in the meantime.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:42 PM

View PostBlixcoe, on 23 December 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

I love this change but was disappointed when it said END OF JANUARY. :S Does it really take that long time to fix?
Well, at least I have something to look forward to. I won't be doing much of FOTM in the meantime.

Well, better to wait a bit for it than having it released now but with a bug that resets everyones progress :)

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 07:08 PM

Better late than never.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 08:46 PM

View PostJACK the Somnolent, on 22 December 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

Now if only there was something worth spending Karma on...

I have a legendary, so I am saving up all my karma in hopes of a future content release with cool new karma armor/weapons.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 01:13 AM

View PostMurderer, on 23 December 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

I have a legendary, so I am saving up all my karma in hopes of a future content release with cool new karma armor/weapons.

Yeah fair enough, I mean I'm not really saying you shouldn't collect the karma and sit on it. I think think those cool new karma armor/weapons should already be released.

I'm a very impulsive person and don't like to sit on consumables/currencies for very long.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 02:23 AM

View PostViesis, on 23 December 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Better late than never.
Better never late.

^_^

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 02:29 AM

View PostJACK the Somnolent, on 22 December 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

Now if only there was something worth spending Karma on...
Could you not buy the highest quality items with the karma you have, then salvage them to convert into gold on the TP?

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 02:36 AM

View PostTrei, on 24 December 2012 - 02:29 AM, said:

Could you not buy the highest quality items with the karma you have, then salvage them to convert into gold on the TP?

You can't salvage karma gear.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 02:40 AM

View PostArcViper, on 24 December 2012 - 02:36 AM, said:

You can't salvage karma gear.
Oh well...

#56 Bakelith

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 07:26 PM

What about karma gear and Mystic Forge?

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 07:27 PM

Holy **** :D What, Where, When, How?! Do tell?! Is this a dungeon or something? Who is that guy?
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Although I haven't gotten around partying much in dungeons or anything I can bet most definitely that this is good news.

Edited by Archduke, 25 December 2012 - 07:28 PM.


#58 Gilles VI

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 07:50 PM

View PostArchduke, on 25 December 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

Holy **** :D What, Where, When, How?! Do tell?! Is this a dungeon or something? Who is that guy?
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Although I haven't gotten around partying much in dungeons or anything I can bet most definitely that this is good news.

It's a giant or w/e in one of the fractals. :)
He's chained, the fractal is about you freeing hem, and then he walks away.




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