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[Quietnine]

Jedbacca, on 09 January 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

I make the game what it is for myself and my team.  I rarely have a bad outing with my guild mates, we always enjoy ourselves.  Oh and knowing is half the battle.

as one of the last few good commanders on SBI, of course you do. your map fills up often just because you are on it. people on other maps dont have that experience. the point is that people arent all of a sudden vaginas needing a trophy win just because they are looking forward to closer fights. and we certainly dont need need one of our commanders to give us a golden shower over looking forward to a new matchup.

while i'm sure SoR will be out for blood, it seems unlikely given their previous BG off hours PPT that their non-NA coverage will consist of giant zergs sweeping over hill and dale.

[Global_GW2]

Quietnine, on 09 January 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

while i'm sure SoR will be out for blood, it seems unlikely given their previous BG off hours PPT that their non-NA coverage will consist of giant zergs sweeping over hill and dale.

It won't. I'm guessing you don't play primetime NA? If not, SBI will likely have greater numbers during your personal play time, even without WM. Primetime NA will be a different story though. Both SoR and TC are loaded with active NA primetime WvWers, and bring some excellent coordination and defense with those numbers (SoR moreso than TC but they're getting better). Seriously, SoR does NOT like you taking their stuff and will defend it like locusts with tons of defense siege.

SoR NA is usually highly motivated and they are starving for the win they feel they deserve (and they do). SBI will probably have its hands full during their peak strength.

[ProfGast]

Quietnine, on 09 January 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Also, both JQ and SoS have shown they have the Euro time slot covered. We lost our largest SEA group and never had much in the Euro slot anyway.

Actually, SoS has a really weak EU timeslot, as can be proven by monday's performance where JQ pretty much fullcapped SoS BL and built waypoints on all 3 of our keeps.  That said we know it's a weakpoint and have been trying our hardest to shore it up.  Unfortunately given our current server makeup it's right about when our NA primetimes are at work, and the AUS primetime has gone to sleep.  Last couple days have seen some marked improvement but we still have a ways to go compared to JQ and apparently BG.

baels, on 09 January 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

I love that JQ spent so long trying to siege SoS garrison. They were so damn stubborn that they let their PPT drop to 130 in the process. Usually they destroy our PPT over the euro time slot, not tonight. Lel. Now they're defending SBI's points on JQ bl.

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Barab, on 09 January 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

dont be a dick dude

Really?  I like forum warrioring less than most people but... what?  The man made a post celebrating the fact that we successfully held ppt in a timezone where we're normally gimped in.  Besides, SoS has been on the receiving end of a lot of flak on the forums continuously since we have entered T1 even up to people trolling our recruitment thread.  Suddenly when someone makes a celebratory post about beating JQ it's not cool?  I just don't get it.

[Jedbacca]

My only response to anyone that has cried on any of the public forums lately about SBI:

I have been trying my damndest on a personal level.

• Educate as many players as I can to improve performance across the board
  
• Created siege guides for the teams
  
• A calendar for scheduling organization of our multiple smaller teams
  
• Attempted TS usage nights with my guild to promote usage
  
• Place multiple suggestions for teams to get involved in their own aspects
  
• Offer sessions to run as a guilds commander and show them the tour of the facilities
  
• Drop immense amounts of siege nightly
  
• Lead by example and show other teams different things they can accomplish
  
• Map hop to assist and raise morale on other maps
  
• Education siege positioning every other night before logging off to the map
  
• Communicate in game to “pugs” of what expectations are of certain objectives
  
• Creating videos as propaganda for the server to assist in recruiting (This has worked and has effectively pulled players from low tier servers that see absolutely no PvP)

I can understand Vihars perspective, although I don’t profusely urinate on everyone.  It get frustrating when you have limited resources out there when you have been actually passionate about doing something.  We have our professional lives to take care of as well, so when you’ve turned your hobby in to almost a job, the frustration will start to show.  My hat goes off to Vihar for being right there in the trenches with the teams every day doing some good work out there on the battle field.

So, my negative words to toss in would be, if you are bitching about any negative impact on our server, you are not helping by typing it out in reiteration.  Instead, be proactive and *ing do something about it.

Edited by Jedbacca, 09 January 2013 - 07:20 PM.

[ProfGast]

Post Above^  Serious dedication.  I feel like all servers could use more outreach like that.

On a lighter note: Jed.  Why you gonna be missing Rock'em Socke'm golembots vs Jerico?  Makes me sad.

P.S. stop zergrolling over my small ops group.  You stepped on my face twice.

[Magikarp]

JQ got smashed tonight. I especially enjoyed seeing JQ's 80 ppt during Euro timeslot and the 50 ppt during oceanic. Wheres this epic JQ push you've all been bragging about?

Some lul video's will be posted tomorrow I loved how persistent FOO was at attacking us on SOS BL while our ninja squads capped bay on JQ BL then SBI pushed and capped JQ's BL. All round an epic night, all of our tactics were executed almost perfectly, well done Sea of Sorrowers! & GG to FOO, MERC had alot of fun fighting you!

All Hail The Mighty Lord Hammerathy.

Edited by Magikarp, 09 January 2013 - 07:43 PM.

[Kreen]

ProfGast, on 09 January 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

Really?  I like forum warrioring less than most people but... what?  The man made a post celebrating the fact that we successfully held ppt in a timezone where we're normally gimped in.  Besides, SoS has been on the receiving end of a lot of flak on the forums continuously since we have entered T1 even up to people trolling our recruitment thread.  Suddenly when someone makes a celebratory post about beating JQ it's not cool?  I just don't get it.

A reasonable point I think on that post but it really read more as a baiting/trolling post to me rather than a celebratory post as it was slightly demeaning to the other side. Thats probably what the other person reacted to. For example, a purely celebratory post might have been more along the lines of:
Well done to SoS for holding onto their point tick during our traditional weak EU time slot. JQ got a bit too focussed on attacking our kepp there.. or something along those times.

On the trolling the recruitment thread thing, another fair point I think. I was one of those who posted in there. Not strictly trolling but a bit tonuge in cheek for sure. For doing that I apologise. In my defence, your recruitment post did seem a bit premptive to be perfectly honest and a little bit overboard in selling your server as the only place to go.

You had just experienced one loss in 12 weeks of play and all of your leaders and many other SoS folks were very publically stating that the loss was only because alot of your players were on holiday etc and normal service would be resumed next week and then suddenly we had a rather panicked recruitment thread appearing on guru - the thread was an excellent read and very well structured and I commend Kurthos for it - an excellent recuirtment thread but the timing was just awful given the very public responses from the movers and shakers on your server about the mitigating reasons for the loss. Timing can be everything in effective PR.

Anyway, hopefully we can get ourselves back in gear and give you some good fights in the coming weeks.

[Kreen]

Magikarp, on 09 January 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

JQ got smashed tonight. I especially enjoyed seeing JQ's 80 ppt during Euro timeslot and the 50 ppt during oceanic. Wheres this epic JQ push you've all been bragging about?

Some lul video's will be posted tomorrow I loved how persistent FOO was at attacking us on SOS BL while our ninja squads capped bay on JQ BL then SBI pushed and capped JQ's BL. All round an epic night, all of our tactics were executed almost perfectly, well done Sea of Sorrowers! & GG to FOO, MERC had alot of fun fighting you!

All Hail The Mighty Lord Hammerathy.

I find it infinitely amusing that when FOO were smashing you last week and on Saturday and some of your commanders were wondering if the sky was falling in there was not one gloating post from FOO about it but alot of whining from SoS. The FOO folks are just so honourable an enemy and they have my upmost respect on how they conduct themselves on our server and publically they never bad mouth anyone and are respectful to all. We are very lucky to have them.

This week you are winning again and here we get the gloating posts. All is fair in war of course but really what is it with the aussie contingent of MERC and the gloating? One of your aussie guilides uses the same tone. I know its only banter etc but it can also be taken the wrong way. Many SoS folks wonder why some folks get a bit anti SoS on the forums. You are a prime example.

I know we have some wrong uns on JQ, every server has them, but ours seem to be mainly solo trolls, you folks seem to have whole guilds of them. I often find the tone is set at the top anyway and filters its way down.

Anyway, maybe its a cultural thing and just banter, but the cultural aspect has been pointed out to another one of your guilds recently. Remember you represent your guild and your server here.

I know its just a game and pvp can be fun with the friendly banter etc but when you see the same guilds posting the same crap over and over again you begin to wonder. Why don't you and look at the tone Tsym and Work usually take when they post. Those guys are a credit to your server even if I do get a bit fed up with Coronbale's "look at us do the a.b.c.s well posts you can do it too" posts but I can sense the pride and love for his guild in his posts so I forgive him that

Edited by Kreen, 09 January 2013 - 08:05 PM.

[ProfGast]

Magikarp, on 09 January 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

Stuff

Please don't antagonize like that.  Not productive.

Kreen, on 09 January 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

A reasonable point I think on that post but it really read more as a baiting/trolling post to me rather than a celebratory post as it was slightly demeaning to the other side. Thats probably what the other person reacted to. For example, a purely celebratory post might have been more along the lines of:

Well done to SoS for holding onto their point tick during our traditional weak EU time slot. JQ got a bit too focussed on attacking our kepp there.. or something along those times.

On the trolling the recruitment thread thing, another fair point I think. I was one of those who posted in there. Not strictly trolling but a bit tonuge in cheek for sure. For doing that I apologise. In my defence, your recruitment post did seem a bit premptive to be perfectly honest and a little bit overboard in selling your server as the only place to go.

You had just experienced one loss in 12 weeks of play and all of your leaders and many other SoS folks were very publically stating that the loss was only because alot of your players were on holiday etc and normal service would be resumed next week and then suddenly we had a rather panicked recruitment thread appearing on guru - the thread was an excellent read and very well structured and I commend Kurthos for it - an excellent recuirtment thread but the timing was just awful given the very public responses from the movers and shakers on your server about the mitigating reasons for the loss. Timing can be everything in effective PR.

Anyway, hopefully we can get ourselves back in gear and give you some good fights in the coming weeks.

Fair points all around and I thank you for your gracious response :-)

I'm sure we were planning to drop that recruitment post win or lose, given that we have, and always have had a weak EU presence.  As for timing, well, when you finish typing something up like that after a few hours you don't much care what else is happening, you just want it posted and over with.  Besides I don't think we'd have gotten any LESS flak for posting that even if we had won that week.  It's just that despite a number of SoS posters taking the classier route (with a couple, fairly vocal exceptions) we get more flak, accusations and demeaning things written than the next man.  The next man of course being SBI and JQ.

I mean we were the new kids on the block, and I understand the need for people to say "You may have won but you still suck."  But we are not the new kids anymore, we are clearly not just here because of PRX anymore, and we (for the most part), do not demean hard work done by other servers or tell Jedbacca that he smells like goat.  (Whether or not Jedbacca smells like goat I cannot confirm nor deny).  

We may have our own share of rowdy individuals, or immature posters, but we welcome any challenges any server throws at us.  We do not condone exploitation nor do we appreciate unsupported accusations or backhanded comments regarding them.  If you have a problem with us, please pm someone in game and we'll have it handled.

All I'm really asking (and it may be abit much on a forum but still) is show at least a modicum of respect for what we are, and what we have accomplished.  I don't even frequent the official servers much these days because the chest-pounding and saber-rattling is almost unbearable.  Trash talk is fine and good but please cut down on the ad hominem and backhanded insults at SoS, especially if you're expecting the same.  Most of our posters (again with notable exceptions) post respectfully after all.

Edited by ProfGast, 09 January 2013 - 08:07 PM.

[CalmLittleBuddy]

Magikarp, on 09 January 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

JQ got smashed tonight. I especially enjoyed seeing JQ's 80 ppt during Euro timeslot and the 50 ppt during oceanic. Wheres this epic JQ push you've all been bragging about?

Some lul video's will be posted tomorrow I loved how persistent FOO was at attacking us on SOS BL while our ninja squads capped bay on JQ BL then SBI pushed and capped JQ's BL. All round an epic night, all of our tactics were executed almost perfectly, well done Sea of Sorrowers! & GG to FOO, MERC had alot of fun fighting you!

All Hail The Mighty Lord Hammerathy.

Wow...

A bit excited, eh?

Maybe a bit too excited over a Tuesday to Wednesday session.

Take a deep breath, have some juice and them maybe you can play the game again after dinner.

[Kreen]

ProfGast, on 09 January 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

excellent post you made

You my good sir are a credit to your server. Now let's get out on that battlefied and kill each other.

[Stei]

Kreen, on 09 January 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

I find it infinitely amusing that when FOO were smashing you last week and on Saturday and some of your commanders were wondering if the sky was falling in there was not one gloating post from FOO about it but alot of whining from SoS. The FOO folks are just so honourable an enemy and they have my upmost respect on how they conduct themselves on our server and publically they never bad mouth anyone and are respectful to all. We are very lucky to have them.

This week you are winning again and here we get the gloating posts. All is fair in war of course but really what is it with the aussie contingent of MERC and the gloating? One of your aussie guilides uses the same tone. I know its only banter etc but it can also be taken the wrong way. Many SoS folks wonder why some folks get a bit anti SoS on the forums. You are a prime example.

I know we have some wrong uns on JQ, every server has them, but ours seem to be mainly solo trolls, you folks seem to have whole guilds of them. I often find the tone is set at the top anyway and filters its way down.

Anyway, maybe its a cultural thing and just banter, but the cultural aspect has been pointed out to another one of your guilds recently. Remember you represent your guild and your server here.

I know its just a game and pvp can be fun with the friendly banter etc but when you see the same guilds posting the same crap over and over again you begin to wonder. Why don't you and look at the tone Tsym and Work usually take when they post. Those guys are a credit to your server even if I do get a bit fed up with Coronbale's "look at us do the a.b.c.s well posts you can do it too" posts but I can sense the pride and love for his guild in his posts so I forgive him that

FOO is quiet doesn't say much but carries a big stick. It's the sort of stuff that makes them a very great ally and an even better group of people to run with and they teach our server so much on a daily basis.

[Barab]

Dude you know JQ respects SoS proper. It's not just the numbers and time coverage you have over us but your level of organization and skill as well. We do everything we can to just survive.  Last week we caught SoS with their pants down. It isnt the first time ( remember the week we came with a few thousand at the end ? ) but then when you see SoS guilds transferring over to JQ spy / take out supply ( oh really your guild mates decided to transfer to the server your competing with to complete maps ), SoS guilds sending mass members to whisper harassment /tells to WM driving them off SBI as a result,  and the 5am 500+ ppt chest puffing posts number one server or not you come off as  *s.

I will say SoS as a whole is no where near the jerk level HoD was in their prime.  

ProfGast, on 09 January 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

Please don't antagonize like that.  Not productive.
Fair points all around and I thank you for your gracious response :-)

I'm sure we were planning to drop that recruitment post win or lose, given that we have, and always have had a weak EU presence.  As for timing, well, when you finish typing something up like that after a few hours you don't much care what else is happening, you just want it posted and over with.  Besides I don't think we'd have gotten any LESS flak for posting that even if we had won that week.  It's just that despite a number of SoS posters taking the classier route (with a couple, fairly vocal exceptions) we get more flak, accusations and demeaning things written than the next man.  The next man of course being SBI and JQ.

I mean we were the new kids on the block, and I understand the need for people to say "You may have won but you still suck."  But we are not the new kids anymore, we are clearly not just here because of PRX anymore, and we (for the most part), do not demean hard work done by other servers or tell Jedbacca that he smells like goat.  (Whether or not Jedbacca smells like goat I cannot confirm nor deny).  

We may have our own share of rowdy individuals, or immature posters, but we welcome any challenges any server throws at us.  We do not condone exploitation nor do we appreciate unsupported accusations or backhanded comments regarding them.  If you have a problem with us, please pm someone in game and we'll have it handled.

All I'm really asking (and it may be abit much on a forum but still) is show at least a modicum of respect for what we are, and what we have accomplished.  I don't even frequent the official servers much these days because the chest-pounding and saber-rattling is almost unbearable.  Trash talk is fine and good but please cut down on the ad hominem and backhanded insults at SoS, especially if you're expecting the same.  Most of our posters (again with notable exceptions) post respectfully after all.

Edited by Barab, 09 January 2013 - 08:22 PM.

[Vihar]

I recognized weeks ago that SBI was on it's way down, that we were no longer a T1 server.

  But I'll be dammed if I root against our own success just to do it, and I'll be dammed if I have to like it, and I'll be dammed if I will celebrate it.

  I speak my mind.

  I don't mind letting SBI, SoS, or JQ know that I am not happy about going to T2. I am not ashamed of that.

  T2 it is. Fine. It is fair and probably where we belong.

  ..but being happy about it?

  I'll just leave that to others.

  I just get more pissed off than normal.

Edited by Vihar, 09 January 2013 - 08:28 PM.

[ProfGast]

Barab, on 09 January 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

... SoS guilds transferring over to JQ spy / take out supply ( oh really your guild mates decided to transfer to the server your competing with to complete maps )...

Since my original post on this subject in the SoS recruitment got deleted in a sweep, I'll answer this again.  3-4 weeks ago we had a new commander pop up on EB who was supposedly doing completion and was from JQ.  Dunno if they're still around or if the permanently relocated.  I have also counted at least 3 people from [HzH] running around SoS maps also ostensibly for completion.  I do not condone transferring to competitors to do spywork/sabotage but it happens.  Some of it may even be legitimate map completion since they know certain areas will be accessable.  And at least you guys don't have a server transfer who guildclaims keeps to block buffs and spends most of his time running behind the nearest zerg ringing a perma-choir bell at the highest note.

Barab, on 09 January 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

...
SoS guilds sending mass members to whisper harassment /tells to WM driving them off SBI as a result,
...

Definitely a jerk move, though I don't think you can drop all of it on Agg.  I know SoS as a whole thought it was out of hand and Agg at least appears sufficiently contrite.  WM moving may have been catalyzed by the event but I doubt that was the only reason behind the move.

Barab, on 09 January 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

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and the 5am 500+ ppt chest puffing posts number one server or not you come off as  *s.

This I agree with.  I don't think we should be making this sort of post at all, but I also feel some of it is knee-jerk reactions after last week's thrashing.  I'll simply accept that some people need to vent (esp. after skimming through some of those people from JQ posting on the official forums) and ask people to please refrain from thoughtless antagonistic posting, at least here on Guru.

[Sirandar]

Sorry, JQ is the LAST server that needs to start pointing fingers with spy BS.   You gotta be kidding

[Barab]

Sirandar, on 09 January 2013 - 08:40 PM, said:

Sorry, JQ is the LAST server that needs to start pointing fingers with spy BS.   You gotta be kidding

If we have spies point them out and we will deal with them. IF HZH has spies contact their guild leaders. There isnt anything worth spying about we feel but we have found spies, and not just from SoS in our vent as well as troll commanders in the field. Is Pooka troll commander one of yours ? And no dont count hanging out in your chat box as spying.

[Wotah]

Barab, on 09 January 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

Dude you know JQ respects SoS proper. It's not just the numbers and time coverage you have over us but your level of organization and skill as well. We do everything we can to just survive.  Last week we caught SoS with their pants down. It isnt the first time ( remember the week we came with a few thousand at the end ? ) but then when you see SoS guilds transferring over to JQ spy / take out supply ( oh really your guild mates decided to transfer to the server your competing with to complete maps ), SoS guilds sending mass members to whisper harassment /tells to WM driving them off SBI as a result,  and the 5am 500+ ppt chest puffing posts number one server or not you come off as  *s.

I will say SoS as a whole is no where near the jerk level HoD was in their prime.  

You forget Barab, they will just rewrite history and say that we've done it first or something.

[Sirandar]

Played Daoc with quite a few folks that rolled on JQ.  95% of them are awesome folks who wouldn't even think of planting people on other servers for any WvW intel purpose.  

As you mention, what info would be useful anyway from a 'spy'?  We have great scouts in the field that feed us all the info we need out there.

Regarding sending trash tells to another server commander, that is obviously wrong and should never happen.  But that is another story and hopefully nobody has to experience that again.

Haven't heard of Pooka sorry.  I just hope servers take the high road and respect the competition.  


/salute

[gordon]

Quietnine, on 09 January 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

Lower tiers arent somehow full of bads, and they certainly arent "JV" compared to everyone else. When i think of bads, i think of MMAC, and it felt like they made up 1/3 of JQ's wvw population at one point, or a certain notorious speed hacking guild on SoS. So the idea that T1 some how has a higher percentage of "varsity" players is bogus and insulting to some of the really great servers in every tier.

i think people are excited that they will get closer matchups. i run wvw every night, and almost every night we have outmanned in SoS/JQ BL. I am looking forward to being in SoR BL and running into groups that are *gasp* actually of similar size and strength to my own. Because that is a more *fun* experience. Not because I need a trophy win just for trying.

I was in two different wvw guilds on a lower tier server and compared to T1, it's like checkers and chess or t-ball and the major leagues. What those guilds were doing on lower tiers tactically is a joke compared to what goes on in T1. They're playing a different game down there.

[Oxram Ironbrow]

Pooka no clue who that is and since it only costs 100G for the tag he probably came from within your ranks. He is either just a young kid or has no tactical train of thought. No one seen us calling foul when Daish was here.... Heck some people even miss him, I do! The things he would say just was entirely to funny!

Edited by Oxram Ironbrow, 09 January 2013 - 09:23 PM.

[Walker]

Sirandar, on 09 January 2013 - 08:40 PM, said:

Sorry, JQ is the LAST server that needs to start pointing fingers with spy BS.   You gotta be kidding

I've seen a few members from our guild fight over spying, the leaders turn a blind eye and one even quit after a big fight about what to do. TRUST me, JQ spies just like all others, but it's that "we only do it because they do it to us" attitude mostly.

:/

[chuckles79]

I think we are finally seeing the much anticipating leveling of the playing field that was promised at the beginning.  Tactics on our server are reverting a bit, also the increasing number of commanders without followers is clogging up our militia.
Likewise I'm pretty sure JQ is having the same problems, as their actions of the last week seem more zerg driven and without their trademark coordination and discipline.

SBI will find themselves in dire straits if they underestimate SoR's NA presence (it may be the best in all of WvW) and TC's now legendary perseverance and tenacity (no server can match their "we're in it for the lulz and the fun" attitude).  

That being said, I'm sure they'll be back quickly.  BG will shake things up a bit and will put up a good showing, but if they couldn't break through when they were at their peak; I'm not expecting overwhelming force from them.  I give it 2-3 weeks before SBI is back and SoS and JQ will still be playing king of the hill in the mud as they are now.

Walker, on 09 January 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

I've seen a few members from our guild fight over spying, the leaders turn a blind eye and one even quit after a big fight about what to do. TRUST me, JQ spies just like all others, but it's that "we only do it because they do it to us" attitude mostly.

We had a member transfer over from JQ a little while ago.  We told him, in explicit terms, to not to spy and he kept his word.  Of course I thanked him by picking him out of an enemy zerg LOL.
I think the majority of the guilds we deal with, and likewise on SBI and JQ; do not condone those tactics and want no part of spying or any other juvenile crap.

[coronbale]

HELLO T1!!!

Let me just start by saying GG to JQ last week!  You saw an opportunity to surge ahead, and we spent the rest of the week busting our humps trying to catch up.  You kept the pressure on us the whole time, which we take as a sign that you respect our strength and virility.

Now, JQ, HOLY CRAP!  You guys sent all of TSYM back to the drawing board big time.  We strive to have an unstoppable army on the field, something that can do whatever needs doing, and train to take out any size enemy.  What we found these last two weeks was FLAWLESS defense.  Several times I used the word unassailable, and walked away from your metal walls and manned siege with lost superiors, and downed comrades.  We have been doing strategy think tanks since then, trying to build new approaches to WvW to counter your newest advancement.  Isn't that was makes WvW great though?  You come up with a strat, own face, the enemy counters, owns yours, then you counter that strat.  Brilliant!

Special shout out to AoS and EMP.  You guys have taken WMs place as my absolute favorite team to face.  Both on and off the field, you represent your server as the epitome of class and talent.  I'm curious as to which of your teams built your siege map you follow?  Not afraid to say I have stolen quite a few siege spots from your setup.  Coming from the one on the other side of the wall with all the arrows in his butt, watching your strategy improve defensibly has been one hell of a show!  /Tip of my hat

To those who question our lack of skill over our size, I tell you this.  TSYM has always tried to be the best quality team experience for our members, and constantly train our members to do better.  When we were smaller, we excelled at killing teams many times our size, but as ANY (yes, any) smaller guild will tell you, there are MANY times that you get wrecked by a massive army.  Our goal?  To have an army on the field that NEVER loses to another.  To do this, we had to grow not only in size but in ability.  We are not there yet, but were working towards it.  By maintaining that goal we can better control our enemies on the field and pressure them constantly.

To the RED IS DEAD commanders out there.  Most people know me as a respectful person, but in TSYM we have a name for you.  2D2L, or TOO DUMB TO LIVE.  Let me give you an example of this.  We enter into Hills keep behind an SBI force that broke down the outer door.  Once in, we saw they were shooting catas at the gate, and JQ was sending shots back with their own catas.  We, wanting the gate down too, placed and arrow cart to get the catas hitting SBI so they could continue to break down the gate.  Mid burn on these catas, SBI shows up, sacrificing their defended position by the catas, and wipes us.  As they are doing this, JQ pushes them completely  out of the keep and repairs the door.  2D2L, and we immediately walked over to SBI, obliterated their army, did it again, took their tower, another SBI wipe, took their upgraded supply camp, and continued to push them back to their spawn until they bounced maps.  We racked up 600 kills on an enemy that we didnt want to fight, because we were all working to the same goal, to uproot an entrenched and heavily defended keep from JQ!  Red is Dead, is dumb, it lacks any higher form of though beyond hitting something with a club, and will get you wiped off the map by anyone with a single active brain cell for strategy.

Lastly, to the W+WvW guys out there.  X server and X server are allied, they are not attacking each other!  Let me just set the record completely strait, and say this.  YES we work with the enemy, we do it every single day.  Every time you assault an enemy that is being distracted, or assault a gate while the enemy is defending a different one, your working with the enemy.  The best weapon against an enemy is another enemy, and if you 2D2L commanders are still not grasping this then you are doing your server no favors.

Sorry, there are very few things that get me truly worked up, and terrible strategy is one of them.  Every time I see a commander wipe himself trying to attack an enemy that has no tactical advantage for being gone, or better yet was in a stronger position for that enemy being there, i cringe.

Anywhose, lets keep this weeks great fighting going!  Seeing lots of new stuff out of JQ, eager to see what you guys come up with next!

/Salute

[Wotah]

coronbale, on 09 January 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

HELLO T1!!!

Let me just start by saying GG to JQ last week!  You saw an opportunity to surge ahead, and we spent the rest of the week busting our humps trying to catch up.  You kept the pressure on us the whole time, which we take as a sign that you respect our strength and virility.

Now, JQ, HOLY CRAP!  You guys sent all of TSYM back to the drawing board big time.  We strive to have an unstoppable army on the field, something that can do whatever needs doing, and train to take out any size enemy.  What we found these last two weeks was FLAWLESS defense.  Several times I used the word unassailable, and walked away from your metal walls and manned siege with lost superiors, and downed comrades.  We have been doing strategy think tanks since then, trying to build new approaches to WvW to counter your newest advancement.  Isn't that was makes WvW great though?  You come up with a strat, own face, the enemy counters, owns yours, then you counter that strat.  Brilliant!

Special shout out to AoS and EMP.  You guys have taken WMs place as my absolute favorite team to face.  Both on and off the field, you represent your server as the epitome of class and talent.  I'm curious as to which of your teams built your siege map you follow?  Not afraid to say I have stolen quite a few siege spots from your setup.  Coming from the one on the other side of the wall with all the arrows in his butt, watching your strategy improve defensibly has been one hell of a show!  /Tip of my hat

To those who question our lack of skill over our size, I tell you this.  TSYM has always tried to be the best quality team experience for our members, and constantly train our members to do better.  When we were smaller, we excelled at killing teams many times our size, but as ANY (yes, any) smaller guild will tell you, there are MANY times that you get wrecked by a massive army.  Our goal?  To have an army on the field that NEVER loses to another.  To do this, we had to grow not only in size but in ability.  We are not there yet, but were working towards it.  By maintaining that goal we can better control our enemies on the field and pressure them constantly.

To the RED IS DEAD commanders out there.  Most people know me as a respectful person, but in TSYM we have a name for you.  2D2L, or TOO DUMB TO LIVE.  Let me give you an example of this.  We enter into Hills keep behind an SBI force that broke down the outer door.  Once in, we saw they were shooting catas at the gate, and JQ was sending shots back with their own catas.  We, wanting the gate down too, placed and arrow cart to get the catas hitting SBI so they could continue to break down the gate.  Mid burn on these catas, SBI shows up, sacrificing their defended position by the catas, and wipes us.  As they are doing this, JQ pushes them completely  out of the keep and repairs the door.  2D2L, and we immediately walked over to SBI, obliterated their army, did it again, took their tower, another SBI wipe, took their upgraded supply camp, and continued to push them back to their spawn until they bounced maps.  We racked up 600 kills on an enemy that we didnt want to fight, because we were all working to the same goal, to uproot an entrenched and heavily defended keep from JQ!  Red is Dead, is dumb, it lacks any higher form of though beyond hitting something with a club, and will get you wiped off the map by anyone with a single active brain cell for strategy.

Lastly, to the W+WvW guys out there.  X server and X server are allied, they are not attacking each other!  Let me just set the record completely strait, and say this.  YES we work with the enemy, we do it every single day.  Every time you assault an enemy that is being distracted, or assault a gate while the enemy is defending a different one, your working with the enemy.  The best weapon against an enemy is another enemy, and if you 2D2L commanders are still not grasping this then you are doing your server no favors.

Sorry, there are very few things that get me truly worked up, and terrible strategy is one of them.  Every time I see a commander wipe himself trying to attack an enemy that has no tactical advantage for being gone, or better yet was in a stronger position for that enemy being there, i cringe.

Anywhose, lets keep this weeks great fighting going!  Seeing lots of new stuff out of JQ, eager to see what you guys come up with next!

/Salute

So red is dead is the best, and greater numbers will always prevail.  Got it!

[J E R I C O]

[Quietnine]

gordon, on 09 January 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

I was in two different wvw guilds on a lower tier server and compared to T1, it's like checkers and chess or t-ball and the major leagues. What those guilds were doing on lower tiers tactically is a joke compared to what goes on in T1. They're playing a different game down there.

the difference in question here is T1 to T2.

[Barab]

Pooka is a troll commander that leads JQ pugs into traps constantly and is talking trash in /map the whole time. He is from some guild named "farm". Just showed up last week out of the blue...could be from anywhere.

We dont need to spy on SoS. It's kinda hard to not see the 40 man train moving across the maps or the portal bomb about to come in.

[Jedbacca]

Hrm, gonna sure miss beating the shit out of all of you in T1 starting next week.  I'm now sadfaced...

[Stei]

coronbale, on 09 January 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

HELLO T1!!!

Let me just start by saying GG to JQ last week!  You saw an opportunity to surge ahead, and we spent the rest of the week busting our humps trying to catch up.  You kept the pressure on us the whole time, which we take as a sign that you respect our strength and virility.

Now, JQ, HOLY CRAP!  You guys sent all of TSYM back to the drawing board big time.  We strive to have an unstoppable army on the field, something that can do whatever needs doing, and train to take out any size enemy.  What we found these last two weeks was FLAWLESS defense.  Several times I used the word unassailable, and walked away from your metal walls and manned siege with lost superiors, and downed comrades.  We have been doing strategy think tanks since then, trying to build new approaches to WvW to counter your newest advancement.  Isn't that was makes WvW great though?  You come up with a strat, own face, the enemy counters, owns yours, then you counter that strat.  Brilliant!

Special shout out to AoS and EMP.  You guys have taken WMs place as my absolute favorite team to face.  Both on and off the field, you represent your server as the epitome of class and talent.  I'm curious as to which of your teams built your siege map you follow?  Not afraid to say I have stolen quite a few siege spots from your setup.  Coming from the one on the other side of the wall with all the arrows in his butt, watching your strategy improve defensibly has been one hell of a show!  /Tip of my hat

To those who question our lack of skill over our size, I tell you this.  TSYM has always tried to be the best quality team experience for our members, and constantly train our members to do better.  When we were smaller, we excelled at killing teams many times our size, but as ANY (yes, any) smaller guild will tell you, there are MANY times that you get wrecked by a massive army.  Our goal?  To have an army on the field that NEVER loses to another.  To do this, we had to grow not only in size but in ability.  We are not there yet, but were working towards it.  By maintaining that goal we can better control our enemies on the field and pressure them constantly.

To the RED IS DEAD commanders out there.  Most people know me as a respectful person, but in TSYM we have a name for you.  2D2L, or TOO DUMB TO LIVE.  Let me give you an example of this.  We enter into Hills keep behind an SBI force that broke down the outer door.  Once in, we saw they were shooting catas at the gate, and JQ was sending shots back with their own catas.  We, wanting the gate down too, placed and arrow cart to get the catas hitting SBI so they could continue to break down the gate.  Mid burn on these catas, SBI shows up, sacrificing their defended position by the catas, and wipes us.  As they are doing this, JQ pushes them completely  out of the keep and repairs the door.  2D2L, and we immediately walked over to SBI, obliterated their army, did it again, took their tower, another SBI wipe, took their upgraded supply camp, and continued to push them back to their spawn until they bounced maps.  We racked up 600 kills on an enemy that we didnt want to fight, because we were all working to the same goal, to uproot an entrenched and heavily defended keep from JQ!  Red is Dead, is dumb, it lacks any higher form of though beyond hitting something with a club, and will get you wiped off the map by anyone with a single active brain cell for strategy.

Lastly, to the W+WvW guys out there.  X server and X server are allied, they are not attacking each other!  Let me just set the record completely strait, and say this.  YES we work with the enemy, we do it every single day.  Every time you assault an enemy that is being distracted, or assault a gate while the enemy is defending a different one, your working with the enemy.  The best weapon against an enemy is another enemy, and if you 2D2L commanders are still not grasping this then you are doing your server no favors.

Sorry, there are very few things that get me truly worked up, and terrible strategy is one of them.  Every time I see a commander wipe himself trying to attack an enemy that has no tactical advantage for being gone, or better yet was in a stronger position for that enemy being there, i cringe.

Anywhose, lets keep this weeks great fighting going!  Seeing lots of new stuff out of JQ, eager to see what you guys come up with next!

/Salute

Our siege placement was a combination of both FOO and other collaborators working together as a group to figure stuff out and find the best placement. I can't say how many time's i've ran into the Tsym group especially when you broke Garrison that first time of this matchup. The trebs you guys had up had so many AoE circles around them I couldn't get near them even with infiltrator arrow and for that I commend you absolutely crazy skill and determination.

The 2v1 bit. It happens get over it nothing new to say it happened all the time when HoD was around its the simple fact of the matter. Complaining about it doesn't make it stop it just looks bad. Other than that good job everyone out there look forward to some new fights and what not!