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#1 Sumilidonnis

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:16 PM

Hello all,

I have managed to get my warrior to 80 and I'm loving the tanks shout healer build.

As such, I'm not really using my rifle and want to go greatsword & either axe or sword with a shield.

I'm torn between the sword or axe however.  I like the axe dps but I don't know if the swords bleeds would prove more beneficial.

Anyone here running this kind of build who can offer me a suggestion?

#2 NinjaSwiftness

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:36 PM

IMO the sword trumps the axe. The axe might have great flat damage but the sword offers alot more useful tools.
1. Bleeding will make up for  your loss in damage.
2. Comes with a leap skill that gives you lots of mobility that can be either used to jump into battle your can help you get out/past fights. (Also helps since you close the gap because you don't have a ranged weapon).
3. It has a cripple that can be traited to also cause immobilization.
4. The burst skill is more situational so sitting on full adrenaline for the passive heal is not too inefficient.

With that in mind, I have never really enjoyed using the axe mainhand and it really should just come down to which you like using more.

#3 dawdler

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:04 PM

Then dont use the rifle, especially if you dont like it - use the bow instead. It is actually a much better "secondary" weapon than the rifle is, due to its AoE special ability and burning. Rifle can stack bleeding, but its often not worth it just for the swap when you can just pound the single target with melee... Unless you want to range it contiously, then maybe the rifle beat out the bow.

I have been using a defensive rifle/mace/sheild build for quite some time but recently I decided to spruce it up and go with 0/0/20/30/20, traiting the sheild+reflect, shout healing/lungs/longbow range and crit chance/adrenaline on axe crit. Weapons used are the longbow/axe/sheild. WIth knights/berseker gear in combo, this is still quite a tanky build with above average toughness (I have 1800)

How to use it dps wise is quite simple - go nuts with the axe, swap to longbow for the F1/explosive shot combo, swap back and keep pounding. Its great fun and builds adrenaline very fast, while maintaining most of what make a defensive build fun. You cant reach a dps builds WTFZOMGLOL crit damage, but its decent enough.

The sword on a power/toughness/condition armour set (I think thats it) would be interesting but... Its so specific its useless for anything else. If you build for that, you need new armour when you build for anything else. Not really a big issue, but something to think about. Same thing with healing power. All the other builds can use very similar armour. Personally I have enough trouble keeping track of my regular armour and MF armour, sigh.

Another issue with a tanky sword build is probably that the trait lines doesnt quite synergize IMO. You want skills in both power and precision... Especially precision since you want those on-crit effects and bonuses if you skimp on precision in the armour set. Skills you cannot really afford if you want both toughness and shout healing. Alternativly, you're missing out on the crit damage tree - something that is *very* powerfull both in terms of traits and what bonuses it gives. Or of course, you can skip the vitality tree - and miss out on shout healing instead. Which is just bad.

Any way I look at it, I just cant get a sword build to go along with a tanky build, but maybe that's just me, meh. I might just be overanalyzing things.

Edited by dawdler, 23 December 2012 - 05:15 PM.


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Posted 23 December 2012 - 08:34 PM

I can't tell if you are referencing my build or not? By the sound of things you are talking about Sonic Boon, but you call it "tanks shout healer build" and I'm unaware of anyone named "tank(s)" so I don't know :o
http://www.guildwars...out-greatsword/

If you are speaking of my build then ignore the link. If not, please check out the link as it has reasons that you should use Rifle.

Rifle just makes way more sense for this type of build than a LB or any other weapon. It's also a very bad idea to go into a fight without ranged on swap, you never know when you might need it! It'll get you the bloodlust stacks and be a viable single target ranged weapon when needed. THe burst won't tempt you and the skills synergize greatly with the build. It just offers much more than the Longbow can.

#5 Mootillay

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 11:11 PM

The bleeding from swords is best spec'd without support and you probably want to wield dual swords to take full advantage.  Axes will allow you to spec a bit of self defense but not so much support while still being an effective dps weapon.  I would either go with mace for perma weakness or greatsword since the forceful greatsword trait can compensate for lower sums of power(i.e. not investing any points into the strength trait line).

#6 Sumilidonnis

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 11:37 PM

View PostBrand, on 23 December 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

I can't tell if you are referencing my build or not? By the sound of things you are talking about Sonic Boon, but you call it "tanks shout healer build" and I'm unaware of anyone named "tank(s)" so I don't know :o
http://www.guildwars...out-greatsword/

If you are speaking of my build then ignore the link. If not, please check out the link as it has reasons that you should use Rifle.

Rifle just makes way more sense for this type of build than a LB or any other weapon. It's also a very bad idea to go into a fight without ranged on swap, you never know when you might need it! It'll get you the bloodlust stacks and be a viable single target ranged weapon when needed. THe burst won't tempt you and the skills synergize greatly with the build. It just offers much more than the Longbow can.

Apologies, I meant a tanky build, stupid iPad auto-spell.  At present I'm only using a build I thought was good after looking at stats etc, its not from any one persons published build (however I'd suspect someone has already done it).10/0/30/30/0 with all shout traits and extra toughness when crippled etc

I have tried sword and shield and axe and shield and honestly, I'm preferring the greatsword still, but I'm looking for those situations where I want to draw more aggro on me than others

#7 dawdler

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 12:20 AM

View PostSumilidonnis, on 23 December 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

I have tried sword and shield and axe and shield and honestly, I'm preferring the greatsword still, but I'm looking for those situations where I want to draw more aggro on me than others
What situations? Any particular weapon wont help since random aggro is random.

The issue remain the fact that swapping from one melee weapon to another melee weapon is fairly pointless. Yes they are all different, but not THAT different when they are all untraited, At best we are talking dps vs defense. If you already use axe/sheild, greatsword is utterly pointless to swap to - they are both comparable dps weapons. On the other hand, mace/mace offer some good control options so that's better. But sword/sword is pointless unless you have condition damage - if you do, then axe/sheild is probably pointless instead. Etc and so on for different combinations.

Rifle or longbow offer so much more than melee/melee swappage because melee isnt omnipotent. You just need ranged sometime.

But of course, thats your choice. Just saying what's bad about it.

#8 Gorwe

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 01:17 AM

None!

Take the Mace!

If not that, take the Sword!

Axes are just barbaric. And this is coming from a Norn player...

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 07:51 AM

View Postdawdler, on 24 December 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

What situations? Any particular weapon wont help since random aggro is random.
There is aggro, it's just very hard to get a grip on. He's right, more damage will net him more aggro.

Regardless, I was pretty much like you (Sumilidonnis) when I stepped into the Guru forums here. I wanted to use the GS due to it being my favorite weapon but I also wanted to be tanky and etc.

After extensive discussions with Sithicus (The primary theory-crafter here on Warrior tank/support), it became really clear that you just don't want a tanky build with a GS or any other dps weapon. Really all you're doing is wasting your efficiency. Guardians have the luxuray (Or curse?) of needing some crit with their tanky sets, so often you'll see a GS tank Guardian. Sadly (Or gladly?) Warriors cannot pull this off.

It's really best to shoot one way or the other man.

If you want to use a GS and be survivable and support your team, follow the link I posted earlier.
If you want to remain a tank and soak up ALL the damage and heal ALL the people, read Sithicus' thread.

But remeber, pick a weapon you really like and work from there. Just because you love being tanky in other games doesn't mean you'll love Mace+Mace or Hammer. Hypothetically something like Sword+Sword could be your favorite, in which you really need to build a condition damage build. Don't clog up your class like I tried to when I was first here. Pick the weapon you like, use it for what it's for, have fun :)




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