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[LIVESTRONGG]

Thinking about listing the Dreaming on the TP in a few days/week or two. Was wondering how much you guys think is an appropriate about that will sell and not just stay there forever lol.

[rotsono]

Just w8 for the first buyorder.I think its like any other legendary between 1000-2000g.

[LIVESTRONGG]

rotsono, on 25 December 2012 - 11:33 PM, said:

Just w8 for the first buyorder.I think its like any other legendary between 1000-2000g.

Well, was going to put it up for like 2.3k, but I also don't know if there will be a market for it yet.

[Trei]

Why are legendaries soulbound on use?

The creator of a legendary should not be able to sell it off like this.

[Lurker14ownz]

Trei, on 26 December 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

Why are legendaries soulbound on use?

The creator of a legendary should not be able to sell it off like this.

Anet has already said their peace on that. Someone wants to put alot of time into it then they can sell into obtaining their legendary then they can sell it if they want to. Achievement isn't granted until equipped. They are basically just selling time invested, karma, and wvw. The rest of the pieces have a TP price and are calculated into what people are willing to pay.

[Trei]

Lurker14ownz, on 26 December 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

Anet has already said their peace on that. Someone wants to put alot of time into it then they can sell into obtaining their legendary then they can sell it if they want to. Achievement isn't granted until equipped. They are basically just selling time invested, karma, and wvw. The rest of the pieces have a TP price and are calculated into what people are willing to pay.

Then what's stopping anet from making all dungeon armor bind on use too?

Or are they already?

Weapons of Legends do not end up on some mere marketplace.
Does anet realize the message it is sending here?

[lujate]

Lurker14ownz, on 26 December 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

Anet has already said their peace on that. Someone wants to put alot of time into it then they can sell into obtaining their legendary then they can sell it if they want to. Achievement isn't granted until equipped. They are basically just selling time invested, karma, and wvw. The rest of the pieces have a TP price and are calculated into what people are willing to pay.

I would be curious to see their official position on this.  Can you share a link?

[rotsono]

Lurker14ownz, on 26 December 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

what people are willing to pay.

The funny thing is that sometimes someone is willing to pay 3000g+ for twilight if you buy all things from TP its around 1200g~ + the time you need to spend on karma farming and the wvw/dungeon tokens its funny to see how much gold you can make with this.

[Illein]

rotsono, on 26 December 2012 - 11:40 AM, said:

The funny thing is that sometimes someone is willing to pay 3000g+ for twilight if you buy all things from TP its around 1200g~ + the time you need to spend on karma farming and the wvw/dungeon tokens its funny to see how much gold you can make with this.

Yeah, which is a dead-sure sign that those people really have no clue and you don't come by 3000g+ without having a clue, unless of course - Santa was particularly generous this year.

I doubt people who invest THAT much money in GW2, buy from Arena Net - simply because they want the biggest bang for their buck, so if I were ANet, I'd investigate those bidders first thing.

Sidenote to the OP: Don't forget the listing fee, so even if you get it in a couple of weeks - you'll probably have to farm some hundred G more just to list it.

[atreoo]

It seems that coming up with a few thousand gold is damn near impossible without buying gold from gold sellers or buy gems and trade to gold. The exchange rate is not very good considering the gold sellers sell gold for a way cheaper rate than the exchange rate. Now im sure there are a select few out there that live to play the ah and have crazy gold stackin but thats def not the case of the casual gamer.

[rotsono]

People who play the TP mostly pay more same like in GW1 but not like 100-200% more.

[Arduin]

Trei, on 26 December 2012 - 03:04 AM, said:

Weapons of Legends do not end up on some mere marketplace.
Does anet realize the message it is sending here?

Yet some of them end up in Troll burrows like Glamdring, Orcrist and Sting, just waiting for a random person to walk by and pick it up.

Or: don't use lore to justify game mechanics.

That'll conclude my offtopicness. Carry on.

Edited by Arduin, 26 December 2012 - 02:25 PM.

[Trei]

Arduin, on 26 December 2012 - 02:24 PM, said:

Yet some of them end up in Troll burrows like Glamdring, Orcrist and Sting, just waiting for a random person to walk by and pick it up.

Or: don't use lore to justify game mechanics.

That'll conclude my offtopicness. Carry on.

And do we see our hero hobbits then promptly sell it in their little hobbit marketplace?
They just found legends....

[Gilles VI]

atreoo, on 26 December 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

It seems that coming up with a few thousand gold is damn near impossible without buying gold from gold sellers or buy gems and trade to gold. The exchange rate is not very good considering the gold sellers sell gold for a way cheaper rate than the exchange rate. Now im sure there are a select few out there that live to play the ah and have crazy gold stackin but thats def not the case of the casual gamer.

Legendary weapons are also not meant for casual gamers.

[LIVESTRONGG]

Illein, on 26 December 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

Sidenote to the OP: Don't forget the listing fee, so even if you get it in a couple of weeks - you'll probably have to farm some hundred G more just to list it.

I already have the listing fee and then some, so no worries there

[Illein]

LIVESTRONGG, on 26 December 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

I already have the listing fee and then some, so no worries there

Well then, I'd say your 2.300 are definitely realistic.

[atreoo]

Gilles VI, on 26 December 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

Legendary weapons are also not meant for casual gamers.

I know that for sure and even a hardcore person in gw2  which I happen to know  alot of and some with legendarys they crafted and grinded for themselves. They even say that gathering 2-3k gold would be very damn hard to do in any reasonable amount (months). If doing it 100% legally within the confines of the game mechanics. I happen to agree with them but meh thats just my opinion. I have been playing since closed beta and early release and have multiple lvl 80s in full exotic. So its not like I just realized this yesterday. I have a nice stash built to buy a precursor if one dont drop by the time im rdy to craft a legendary. Im building that stuff up for now too. Good luck selling and building folks. Its a journey.

[Illein]

atreoo, on 27 December 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

Good luck selling and building folks. Its a journey.

The issue is, after acquiring one of the 4 legendaries I want - it's not a journey, it's a teleport and you're really just engineering the device that gets you there for months on end as you are at one point when you start - you remain at that point the entire course of your grinding and BAM then your body dissolves and you find yourself re-ensembled at a whole different place with a new legendary in hand.

Wish it were more like a journey... give me my legendary quest chain already, Anet! Then you can justify making them all soulbound on acquire, if you refuse to make them accountbound - but they certainly shouldn't be bind on equip.

Edited by Illein, 30 December 2012 - 09:49 AM.

[Chriskgw2]

Illein, on 28 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

The issue is, after acquiring one of the 4 legendaries I want - it's not a journey, it's a teleport and you're really just engineering the device that gets you there for months on end as you are at one point when you start - you remain at that point the entire course of your grinding and BAM then your body dissolves and you find re-ensembled at a whole different place with a new legendary in hand.

Wish it were more like a journey... give me my legendary quest chain already, Anet! Then you can justify making them all soulbound on acquire, if you refuse to make them accountbound - but they certainly shouldn't be bind on equip.

I shed a tear, this is beautiful and true.

[Elysen]

I'd value it at around the 1,250-1,750 gold mark. Why lower than others? Because the Shortbow is only available to Thieves and Rangers meaning your market is a lot more limited than, say The Bifrost.

That said, a Shortbow is a staple in the majority of builds that can use them, whereas something like Bolt (sword) is only really used selectively amongst the 5 professions capable of using them, so take suggestions with a pinch of salt.

EDIT: Yes, they should be bind on acquire. Legendaries can be perceived as a method to "sell" Karma.

Edited by Xephenon, 31 December 2012 - 02:22 AM.

[omar316]

Trei, on 26 December 2012 - 03:04 AM, said:

Then what's stopping anet from making all dungeon armor bind on use too?

Or are they already?

Weapons of Legends do not end up on some mere marketplace.
Does anet realize the message it is sending here?

It's a freaking cosmetic. And it's a casual game. Why not?

[Trei]

omar316, on 31 December 2012 - 04:07 AM, said:

It's a freaking cosmetic. And it's a casual game. Why not?

It seems you are right after all, on second thought.

"Why not" indeed.
Since right now, my impression of someone with a legendary is basically a terrific farmer.

I suppose it really makes not a whole lot of difference whether this someone farmed/bought the mats to make one himself, or farmed/bought the gold to buy one outright.
Either way, prestige value = 0.

[omar316]

Trei, on 31 December 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

Either way, prestige value = 0.

State of the game. Pretty much.

[Trei]

What I meant is that I recognize two types of prestige for gear.

We have the first type that is skill-based; one that has such an item must have displayed exceptional skills in the game, to overcome difficult challenges that cannot be accomplished by time commitment alone etc.

Then we have the purely awesome looking ones that are prestigious simply because one looks godly just wearing them. By nature, no sane developer would grant such aesthetics via level 1 critters, so rarity is implied by default.

None of the legendaries fall into the above categories, except maybe the twin greatswords.

[DidYouSeeThat]

Again people will find anything to complain about now days. If someone put the effort and time into making something let them do as they want with it. It isn't a random dungeon drop its crafted from mats and they aren't getting any achievement or anything at all except probably some profit. They spent time and gold and are getting more gold in return that's all their getting why do you care about someone making their own money back?

[DidYouSeeThat]

Trei, on 31 December 2012 - 04:49 AM, said:

What I meant is that I recognize two types of prestige for gear.

To talk about prestigious gear in GW2 is laughable at most. First you have exotics that everyone can obtain so easily they should probably just be rares and rares should be exotics. They hand these things out like they are water to say you have exotic gear is to say you have spent around a month playing the game hit level 80 and grabbed your free exotics. Now legendarys are better than exotics, oh wait no their stats are the same they just have effects and purple text that no one ever sees since there is no inspect feature. Now regardless of the stats to say you have a legendary means you either started when the game launched and got a precurser at 60g, you have far too much time on your hands or you bought gold and purchased everything. Personally I don't consider a legendary to be prestigious at all it just means you have/had gold or can grind boring stuff which a monkey could pull off.

So let's not bring up prestige in guild wars.

[omar316]

Trei, on 31 December 2012 - 04:49 AM, said:

What I meant is that I recognize two types of prestige for gear.

We have the first type that is skill-based; one that has such an item must have displayed exceptional skills in the game, to overcome difficult challenges that cannot be accomplished by time commitment alone etc.

Then we have the purely awesome looking ones that are prestigious simply because one looks godly just wearing them. By nature, no sane developer would grant such aesthetics via level 1 critters, so rarity is implied by default.

None of the legendaries fall into the above categories, except maybe the twin greatswords.

If RNG is skill yeah, its prestige alright.
Hopefully we can see the price drop enough so people can just buy a legendary for $50 real cash or something.

[IDarko]

Trei, on 31 December 2012 - 04:49 AM, said:

What I meant is that I recognize two types of prestige for gear.

We have the first type that is skill-based; one that has such an item must have displayed exceptional skills in the game, to overcome difficult challenges that cannot be accomplished by time commitment alone etc.

Then we have the purely awesome looking ones that are prestigious simply because one looks godly just wearing them. By nature, no sane developer would grant such aesthetics via level 1 critters, so rarity is implied by default.

None of the legendaries fall into the above categories, except maybe the twin greatswords.

What does fall in the first category tho? I haven't seen an item yet that shows "skill." Dedication, sure. Big pockets, sure. But not skill. Well, Arah was "kinda" hard i guess.. But they messed that up with the token farm expoits so most people assume that someone with Arah gear/weapons simply farmed the first 2 bosses over and over again. >.>

The only thing that shows that a player is competent in the game is a PvP title imo. And even then, only tournaments related titles would fall in that category.

[Trei]

IDarko, on 02 January 2013 - 05:24 AM, said:

What does fall in the first category tho? I haven't seen an item yet that shows "skill." Dedication, sure. Big pockets, sure. But not skill. Well, Arah was "kinda" hard i guess.. But they messed that up with the token farm expoits so most people assume that someone with Arah gear/weapons simply farmed the first 2 bosses over and over again. >.>

The only thing that shows that a player is competent in the game is a PvP title imo. And even then, only tournaments related titles would fall in that category.

In gw2? None.
I was talking about it in a general sense, not specifically in gw2.  

I agree with your view about pvp titles.

Unfortunately, other than introducing specific personal pve instances of high difficulty, I can't think of other ways to award such prestige in pve that would be inline with gw2 philosophy.

What anet has evidently chose to implement is the latter category of cool looking legendary gear.

But the problem is... Most of them simply aren't awesome looking enough either.

At the end of the day though, I'm beginning to question just what prestige is, despite these two categories I previously mentioned.

In the real world, prestige IS undeniably linked with money after all.
Is the guy driving a Lamborghini definitely a pro driver?
No, he is probably just rich.

How rare must an item be to be prestigious?

Its hard to admit, but its entirely likely I'm just being an envious sour little bunch of purple fruit used to make wine*.


* (Thanks censorship, brilliant)

Edited by Trei, 02 January 2013 - 07:07 AM.

[omar316]

Trei, on 02 January 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

In gw2? None.
I was talking about it in a general sense, not specifically in gw2.  

I agree with your view about pvp titles.

Unfortunately, other than introducing specific personal pve instances of high difficulty, I can't think of other ways to award such prestige in pve that would be inline with gw2 philosophy.

What anet has evidently chose to implement is the latter category of cool looking legendary gear.

But the problem is... Most of them simply aren't awesome looking enough either.

At the end of the day though, I'm beginning to question just what prestige is, despite these two categories I previously mentioned.

In the real world, prestige IS undeniably linked with money after all.
Is the guy driving a Lamborghini definitely a pro driver?
No, he is probably just rich.

How rare must an item be to be prestigious?

Rarity has got no link to how prestigious an item is, but you are correct, usually rare items are prestigious.

For example before nerfs and shit, sacking a capital city in WAR and getting loot from the end bosses was almost impossible, bugs and exploits aside.

Before the 2nd nerf, you see some one in freaking city gear and he was like looked upon with awe. Some looked like crap but were still awesome.

You needed a 6 man to complete ToVL a 8 boss dungeon to be able to spawn a WB and need at least 12 people to kill it, and boss scales with more people in area. Though the loot's stat was mid tier, it was rare to see anyone with WB items. If only there were no stats attached to it, and the we had less carebears it woulda been awesome.

GW2 = who has the most gold to RNG their legendary.