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#61 Xsesshoumaru

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 05:53 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 26 December 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

I was making a joke. BG didn't exploit. Some dude did. SoS didn't ruin T1. Nothing ruined T1.

Talk about me not readin things.

T 1 is just fine. GW2 is doing well. WvW gets an update in Feb. I got 8000 gems for Chrishmas. All is good. Peace across the servers and good will to NPCs. Everybody have Egg Nog and belch and tap buttons.
i don't like egg nog >.> can i just stick with a bottle of 151 and maybe some vodka?

Edited by Xsesshoumaru, 26 December 2012 - 05:57 PM.


#62 Laylyn

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:23 PM

View PostXsesshoumaru, on 26 December 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

SBI will still be a strong server to face with the likes of SF and Rage still calling it home, and i wouldn't call what WM is doing running exactly, they've stated time and time again that wvw was never something they intended on focusing on, so expecting them to put up with quite honestly disrespectful play and attitudes in a format they have no real love for is probably asking to much or maybe i'm misunderstanding previous posts.

I know this has probably been brought up time and time again but honestly if the feb updates aren't up to par how many of us will still be playing wvw after it hits? I mean when you have guilds that were once boasting 500-1000+ active members only being able to field about 20-50 now and some less, not sure how we can say wvw will survive if this big wvw update is nothing more then a half hearted attempt by anet. or maybe i'm just the doomsayer in this situation
anyway i'll miss WM, by far one of the best guilds i've had the honor to fight against and one of the best guilds in t1. hopefully see you guys on the battlefield in t1 again. i some how doubt that will ever happen though.  

and oh btw glad to see you're still around laylyn
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The guild degrade has been universal.   I'll agree with your Feb assessment as well; however, I'm not expecting miracles.  

We've all seen this in other games and the trend is well known.  We are probably demanding what the game will not be for 1-2 years.  

It's good to see you too Xsesshoumaru.


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View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 26 December 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

I was making a joke. BG didn't exploit. Some dude did. SoS didn't ruin T1. Nothing ruined T1.

Talk about me not readin things.

T 1 is just fine. GW2 is doing well. WvW gets an update in Feb. I got 8000 gems for Chrishmas. All is good. Peace across the servers and good will to NPCs. Everybody have Egg Nog and belch and tap buttons.


If they haven't caught on that almost every post you make at this point is a joke, they haven't been paying attention.


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Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:37 PM

Sounds like WM is really just butt hurt.  If you can't handle these sorts of normal video game occurrences then you're right to move to a less competitive environment.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:45 PM

Why is there so much bitching over what one guild wants to do with their members. WM wants to leave SBI for a low tier server to try to have some fun. Let it rest and GL to WM.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:48 PM

View PostKillminusnine, on 26 December 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

Sounds like WM is really just butt hurt.  If you can't handle these sorts of normal video game occurrences then you're right to move to a less competitive environment.

Guild Wars 2 World vs World lacks flavor and doesn't motivate players to win, something most hardcore competitive guilds already understood.

Good luck to WM, whatever floats their boat.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:58 PM

I'm sorry you are leaving War Machine. Everytime I hear someone say in teamspeak, "It's War Machine!" my anxiety level and desire to play increases. I hope you enjoy your stay in your new server but one question:

What happens when or if Kaineg reaches T1, are you going to force your guild to switch servers again because of all the "crap" that apparently goes on in T1? What if you have to pay to transfer servers by then?

Edited by Hyetal, 26 December 2012 - 06:59 PM.


#67 Xsesshoumaru

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:02 PM

View PostHyetal, on 26 December 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

I'm sorry you are leaving War Machine. Everytime I hear someone say in teamspeak, "It's War Machine!" my anxiety level and desire to play increases. I hope you enjoy your stay in your new server but one question:

What happens when or if Kaineg reaches T1, are you going to force your guild to switch servers again because of all the "crap" that apparently goes on in T1? What if you have to pay to transfer servers by then?

I was kinda wondering the same thing, but looking at the rosters that the top 6 servers boast atm, even in t3 with cd,ioj, and fa. i some how find it hard to believe that the xfer of one guild even if it is one of WM status could move kaineg up to t1. which i'm sure wm thought about when they made their move

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:03 PM

View PostHyetal, on 26 December 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

What happens when or if Kaineg reaches T1, are you going to force your guild to switch servers again because of all the "crap" that apparently goes on in T1? What if you have to pay to transfer servers by then?

1. depends on how T1 is at that time
2. not even sure if we will ever reach T1

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:04 PM

It was just hypothetical guys. I know one guild is not enough to boast a server to T1.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:10 PM

It's more relaxing. I actually get time to PvE now, where Arena Net wants us to be.

But when fights happen, it's more fun than it was in T1.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:16 PM

This hurts everyone in T1. If you don't see that, then there is nothing else to say.
This obviously hurts SBI by losing one of our founding WvW guilds and great people to play with.
It hurts SOS and JQ because they no longer get to fight WM. With a limited amount of skilled WvW Guilds there will be one less competitive Guild in T1.

War Machine have a lot of great players and Commanders, yet they were open to anyone. They talked to the pug or the solo player and gave them direction. They were a boost to SBI even if they were not out in force and if they were just a few players on the map. Fighting with WM and especially Jang Gun was great. I would seek him out to run with him.

It's not the end of the game, but it hurts GW2 WvW.
Good luck WM, we will miss you and would love to see you back on SBI some day.

Edited by Nost, 26 December 2012 - 07:21 PM.


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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:17 PM

Probably because people aren't so damn serious all the damn time. Arena Net doesn't want anyone to be in a specific place, they just want you to have fun.

What's the difference between winning tier one and tier 2? Nothing.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 11:33 PM

View PostKillminusnine, on 26 December 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

Sounds like WM is really just butt hurt.  If you can't handle these sorts of normal video game occurrences then you're right to move to a less competitive environment.

I have to disagree with this. The most competitive environments in gaming don't usually have that level of harassment against a player or Guild. War Machine being world champions and top notch players are not used to the trash Guilds and players that is a part of GW2 casual pvp and what we saw in those screenshots. Any good guild or player would never treat fellow high level competitors like that.

Justify it all you want, it is wrong. If you don't agree, then you must be a pre-teen or an adult idiot.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 11:37 PM

View PostJabtangs, on 26 December 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

It's more relaxing. I actually get time to PvE now, where Arena Net wants us to be.

But when fights happen, it's more fun than it was in T1.

I hate to admit it, but that's the truth.  Being in T1 isn't all that it's cracked up to be.  People in the lower tiers are more civilized.  They tend to leave you alone when you do JP.  You don't hurt them, they don't hurt you.  In T1, you either camp the puzzle or get camped, backstabbed, gang banged, etc.  Most of these people won't fight you 1 on 1.  They'll call their goonies over to gang up on you even though you're undergeared and upleveled.  It doesn't matter if it's in N.A. or Europe.  Same thing happens.  T3 and below, most people are just more civlized and polite.  It was an interesting rise to see SOS went from T3/T4 to T1.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 11:45 PM

View PostNost, on 26 December 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

It's not the end of the game, but it hurts GW2 WvW.
Good luck WM, we will miss you and would love to see you back on SBI some day.

Maybe the move by WM might help GW2 WvW competition?  Perhaps, it'll create more competitive servers?  WM is a guild with a reputation and their move definitely will hurt SBI.  But their move will be a big boost for Kaineng. It's the same as if PRX moves to a server.  Their reputation gives it a boost.  But no single guild can carry an entire server regardless of what anyone tries to say.  Hopping from map to map will take its toll on its members and guild.  SoS has proven that they are a force to be reckon with, with or without PRX.  Maybe SBI can prove that as well?  If no guilds steps up to the challenge, expect a repeat of HoD and ET in SBI...

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:02 AM

View PostNost, on 26 December 2012 - 11:33 PM, said:

I have to disagree with this. The most competitive environments in gaming don't usually have that level of harassment against a player or Guild. War Machine being world champions and top notch players are not used to the trash Guilds and players that is a part of GW2 casual pvp and what we saw in those screenshots. Any good guild or player would never treat fellow high level competitors like that.

Justify it all you want, it is wrong. If you don't agree, then you must be a pre-teen or an adult idiot.

Shenanigans.

You're obtuse or completely inexperienced.

Edited by Killminusnine, 27 December 2012 - 01:02 AM.


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:11 AM

Yeah, and stop making things up as you like.

SoS was here in Kaineng the moment server started, THEN War came over.

View PostSmiling, on 26 December 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

After a while, there was a large influx of guilds onto kaineng, mainly SoS followed by War. I am not saying the original players of War were the ones that started it, but we soon found ourselves facing map chats where the leader of Survivors of Searing would get on (after we had been in the battleground for ours) and tell everyone to follow him. There were even times where he would come onto the map and announce that he was the king of kaineng and that 'we were all saved.'

I have never, ever, claimed that I'm the king of Kaineng. Stop framing me.

View PostSmiling, on 26 December 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

Now, many of these things can be backed up by not only me, but many players that left kaineng around the same time we did. Eventually the guilds other guilds chased out War because of a lot of bickering (many of them also did not want the drama - they were very good and dedicated players).

War did not left because of that. They left because of lack of PvE players doing dungeons. Get your info straight man.

I'm sure my source is better than yours.

View PostSmiling, on 26 December 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

But I think the greatest display of the majority of kaineng's guilds character came when we transferred to devonas rest (the lowest server in the tier at the time). What happened was that I was openly called a racist on the forums by the large taiwanese / chinese guild leader, chaster sharpshooter (to which many of our asian players were disgusted). We were also repeatedly messaged for days about how we 'suck' and were going to get 'owned' (mind you this was by over 20 different people to several of our officers).

Right, find me a post that I said that you are a racist in forum, go ahead, I'll give you a week. Do it.

And just in case if you are following this post, might I note that what you so called "MANY" are actually, "YOUR GUILD MEMBERS"?

View PostSmiling, on 26 December 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

We went back and forth with some players of warsworn but that was all good natured, we would msg each other afterwards and laugh, but these guys were just something else...

Even back then, when we had a zerg and needed desperate help, SoS would go on a karma train instead of helping, passing right by our siege because it wasn't on their time, and yes they would nightcap plenty but as soon as DR started getting a night crew they gave up.

You guys never called help. Plus most likely because the place where you are attacking is be sieged with lots of arrow carts/ballistas/catapults? Tossing a zerg there would simply mean death trap, great work, SmilingKnight.

View PostSmiling, on 26 December 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

I do not intend to make this a flame post, I am merely stating things that actually happened... as unbelievable as it seems.

IT WAS SO OBVIOUS THAT THIS IS A FLAME POST, SINCE THE SECOND PARAGRAPH.

Even anyone with reasonable sense would feel that.

View PostSmiling, on 26 December 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

Now, at least on the official forums, there are many kaineng guilds just nonstop trashtalking the other servers... but it has become similar on DR which is why we also might be looking for a new home on one of the t8 servers in a few weeks to start a new and help build them up.

Let me put some salt on your wound, since you already flamed us so much, I guess it was because you guys were not able to find a place in DR due to your, aka this, attitude. I feel sorry for whichever server you guys decided to move into. DR won was because of Pro's time zone coverage, not you, nor your KWBH.

View PostSmiling, on 26 December 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

I left my old server for the same reasons, and you will find trolls everywhere you go. I wish you guys the best wherever you decide to go.

SK,
GM KWBH


p.s. people are a lot nicer and inviting once they want something from you

Actually, while I welcome War Machine W and War Machine I to Kaineng, I was not pleased on one particular action that the original War Machine are doing right now, but, since they are rather new to the community, there's still time to work things out.

The issue lies in ... Language.

We, the Survivor of Searing, DO use map chat in Chinese WITH ENGLISH TRANSLATION right after each quote, this was done to ensure those who are reading the map chat know exactly what is happening. Instead of just using map chat as your global guild chat (yes, we do that at times too, but still, translation is also provided)

We as Survivor of Searing has always aimed to bring the best experience to all Kaineng players, and since Korea is also part of Asian, I just would like they would do the same, just to show people that despite we speak different language, we still respect all the English speakers.

Seeing the OP post, was a clear demonstration that this was not respected.I had to rely on a google translator to get just the jists of what he was trying to say, and we all know that google translator is not the best translator ever. And if the guild leader doesn't even respect this ... Let's just hope that I do not wish to see Lion's Arch be flooded with Korean text the next time I go pay it a visit.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:26 AM

View PostKillminusnine, on 27 December 2012 - 01:02 AM, said:

Shenanigans.

You're obtuse or completely inexperienced.

So your right, the most competitive Gaming environments like pro WoW, Starcraft, etc. are full of smack talk. Ok. Gotcha!

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:50 AM

View PostNost, on 27 December 2012 - 01:26 AM, said:

So your right, the most competitive Gaming environments like pro WoW, Starcraft, etc. are full of smack talk. Ok. Gotcha!


I was there for the first world pvp pay in tourney for WOW, when $75,000 was offered to the first place team in 2008.   My guild even volunteered to host some of the teams on our vent at the time and did.  http://ghost-pa.com/...php?topic=219.0

For the record, there was smack talk.   Starcraft was a good example.  WoW was not.


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:58 AM

View PostLaylyn, on 27 December 2012 - 01:50 AM, said:

I was there for the first world pvp pay in tourney for WOW, when $75,000 was offered to the first place team in 2008.   My guild even volunteered to host some of the teams on our vent at the time and did.  http://ghost-pa.com/...php?topic=219.0

For the record, there was smack talk.   Starcraft was a good example.  WoW was not.


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 02:13 AM

View PostNost, on 27 December 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:

So they did this?

Urgh.

Wonder if ANet considers suspending people for contributing to chat flooding. Doesn't have to be smack talk or explicit to be classified as pure harassment.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 02:17 AM

View PostNost, on 27 December 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:



We were talking about smack talk.  WoW Arena in 2008 didn't have spying, but you might have known that.   It just had cheesy Warlock drain teams, like the one I was on.   I ended my arena days on a 2v2 Paladin and Death Knight team,

Take a good look at the WoW forums however:  http://us.battle.net...orum/1011696/�� This website is pretty tame.

You want to look at real bad, you should check out the history of Eve Online.  It had the highest player suicide rate of any game in MMO history.   This game is theme park. No one is going to blow up $30,000.00 worth of your stuff or pod crack your character undoing 2 years worth of work.

Here's a minor example:



What you are talking about isn't what you are exaggerating it into.   It's very common in no risk theme park games because no one can really reach out and destroy you.  That trend really started with WoW as it became the preferred game of 15 year old kids.  

People tend to be more careful in perma death games, but that doesn't mean they are nicer.


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:23 AM

View PostNost, on 27 December 2012 - 01:26 AM, said:

So your right, the most competitive Gaming environments like pro WoW, Starcraft, etc. are full of smack talk. Ok. Gotcha!

Great, sounds like you're starting to adjust to life here.  The Internet can be a nasty place at times.  

Welcome.

P.S. LOL@"Pro WoW"

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:56 AM

I wonder if PRX faced the same problem, only have enough class not to react and air any dirty laundry in public forum.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 06:30 AM

Starcraft has all sorts of smack talk. The boards can get worse than it ever gets here, and there are many players, even professionals, that will do it in matches. Hell, Idra has been known to talk shit in MLG finals games (for those that don't know, he was/is a top level pro, and MLG is one of the biggest tournies in starcraft). The bottom line is smack talk is part of every online game, and if you can't handle it, that is on you. Agg's message spam, while unprofessional and disappointing  is incredibly mild compared to just about any other community. If this is as bad as it gets, then I am quite impressed by the WvW community.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:26 AM

Eh, it seems to me they just traded an STD from a celebrity for an STD from a common hooker. They'll both burn the same, but the former had a bit more prestige.
So basically, I'm echoing the sentiments many have already expressed in the form of a disgusting metaphor. YAY!

Edited by davidentp, 27 December 2012 - 07:36 AM.


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:29 AM

View Posttwo maces, on 27 December 2012 - 04:56 AM, said:

I wonder if PRX faced the same problem, only have enough class not to react and air any dirty laundry in public forum.

PRX had some harsh words said to their commander(s) in Seafarer while I was there.  Their leader kind of brushed it off and joked it off.  They did not cave into insults.  And it wasn't a private message.  It was public and from their own server.  Maybe they have a stronger mind?  Who knows...  As long as it doesn't go too far it should be fine.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 08:00 AM

This...really blows.  I don't know if WMI is going to follow Jang's move; but if this goes how I think it will...It's going to mess with a lot of people.

A lot of SBI people are proud of their server, and this could be the first rough step on down to T2 for them.  I hope they don't get a flood of people jumping ship and can recover.

This coming week will see a shifting in the formula that has ruled the last 5 weeks and will mean fewer awesome fights.  A lot of PvD isn't good for anyone.

The real losers, T6-T3.  Kaineng is up +680 PPT right now.  So T6 might as well do FotM next week, then they continue to wreck their way up to T3; bringing top tier talent into lower ranked servers.  Where's the fairness in that?

I admire the desire for a challenge, to fight their way back up; but they can't take Kaineng to T1 unless all of SBI follows them, and I don't see that happening.

Like I said, this sucks; and I hope SBI keeps it together.  Stay strong SBI!

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:43 AM

nx week gonna be a real test for SBI
is WM carry SBI @ T1? we will see...

but i personally feel SBI will manage to recover and stay around T1 / T2

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:18 PM

Wow never woulda thought War Machine to be so sensitive. Have they never been a top tier guild before? Ive seen worse hate tell griefers in  pve games. Dont take this the wrong way(or do) ,but I hope they give you the same but worse in T-wtf since T1 hazing was to much lol. Grow some thicker skin and learn to IRL ignore idiots, griefers, and bigots . Haters gonna Hate. Stop wearing your heart on your sleeve and grow up.




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