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[Lucas Ashrock]

Gilles VI, on 06 January 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

You're really torturing me

And TeS:O?

Haha i'm not torturing you Gil We both knows Teso will drain away the last left on gw2 making the game a ghost town like gw1 if you log now, now add Pso2

This is the gameplay video you're talking about?


(Here is the full version but don't use the 720 version or you will feel sick or in the needing to knee)

Rickter, on 06 January 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

my point is - GW2's system is an "easy to use, hard to master" system.

I really don't know what part of use those skills i would call hard. For a newbie on his first mmo maybe could appear something like this, an experienced player, honestly, cannot agree at all. One thing is "cool" and must be mastered to make the life ingame and the experience better and funnier, the dodge. For sure, not the skills or their use. Beware i'm not telling "piss in the wind and it's the same". Sorta of.

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 07 January 2013 - 06:28 AM.

[Millimidget]

Rickter, on 06 January 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

there is an obvious skill factor, ive run dungeons that have disbanded at AC EXP P1 where you have to defend Hodgins against the graveling burrows because they just dont have the dps or dont know how to maximize their dps potential.

It's probably just because they don't know the encounter, the importance of focusing down burrows in succession, and the lack of red circles to dodge.

[Arewn]

Lucas Ashrock, on 07 January 2013 - 06:01 AM, said:

Haha i'm not torturing you Gil We both knows Teso will drain away the last left on gw2 making the game a ghost town like gw1 if you log now, now add Pso2

Saying that is akin to being the broken record of the entire gaming industry. "New game X is so cool, everyone will play! New game Y is coming out soon, it's so awesome, it's going to kill X! New game Z is coming out soon, it's so awesome, its going to kill Y!"
Meanwhile the older games generally continue doing fine while the news games are in roughly the same place as them.

Reality of the situation is, you'll have your usual MMO hoppers constantly going to the new thing and leaving as soon as something newer comes out, effectively wasting their time and money on games that will never satisfy them because even they don't know what they want. And then you'll have the core player base who sticks around for the most part.

Personally, I'm already playing PSO2 (love the franchise) on the Japanese server, and will switch to NA as soon as it's released (so that I can actually understand wtf is going on). But I'll continue playing GW2 all the while, as I am now.
The development of the free to play triple A MMORPG market is what I've been waiting for for years, where I can actively play many MMORPGs thanks to the freedom offered by the free to play business model, while not having to waste my time getting bogged down in senseless grind and tedium by sticking to a single MMORPG to fill the time and squeeze out the value of the sub fee.

So far as TESO goes, I love the elder scroll so ill check it out closer to release, but other than that... meh, I have enough games on my plate as it is between GW2, PSO2, M&M heroes 6, AOE3, bit of LoL, some Skyrim occasionally, and many other games I play here and there. Plus some I haven't played at all in my steam library.

Edited by Arewn, 07 January 2013 - 07:00 AM.

[Gilles VI]

Lucas Ashrock, on 07 January 2013 - 06:01 AM, said:

Haha i'm not torturing you Gil We both knows Teso will drain away the last left on gw2 making the game a ghost town like gw1 if you log now, now add Pso2

This is the gameplay video you're talking about?

That's exactly the vid I'm talking about, and I'm really not sure about it.
For me untill now it sounds a lot like SW:ToR.
Big IP, big budget, lots of promises, but footage shows something 'meeeh'..

Btw GW1 only became a ghost town after GW2 came out.
Granted even before that it was calm in alot of areas, but so is it in every MMO of decent age.

Edited by Gilles VI, 07 January 2013 - 07:10 AM.

[Gilles VI]

Lucas Ashrock, on 07 January 2013 - 06:01 AM, said:

I really don't know what part of use those skills i would call hard.

Just look at PvP.
An experienced team can steamroll another team by 500-0, and 2 equal teams can get something like 500-450.
This in my eyes shows skill is very important in this game.

Just like in GW1 where GvG between two top guilds could take 30+ mins and an experienced team could completely destroy a unexperienced team within 2 minutes.

[Lucas Ashrock]

"Meeeh" huh? Honestly, i feel sick and i want to log on it, everytime i see this movie, i just cannot stand on it feeling sad. And looking this junk (gw2) with sadness, hoping to get rid of it as soon as possible as an old bad memory of the past left there for cheap charlie losers not paying a sub, the only player left online, likemany other junkmmo around the net. We will talk again about it , when teso is online This is a game worthy of a Goty.

Arewn, on 07 January 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

Reality of the situation is, you'll have your usual MMO hoppers constantly going to the new thing and leaving as soon as something newer comes out, effectively wasting their time and money on games that will never satisfy them because even they don't know what they want. And then you'll have the core player base who sticks around for the most part.

No bro, even core players will move there asap, haha Who is still playing this game is just passing the time waiting better.

Better is coming
Anet fault, gw2 would have been so much of a masterpiece for 8/10 years..noone believe anymore on them, they lost credibility with their content, bugged patches, scams. Even the core is pretty done, just waiting. Then ye, after all is free to log, who has free space on his hdd will leave it there, downloading the new patch if required before log. I just hope we will not see 30kb/s cap like gw1 hahaha

Gilles VI, on 07 January 2013 - 07:12 AM, said:

Just look at PvP.
An experienced team can steamroll another team by 500-0, and 2 equal teams can get something like 500-450.
This in my eyes shows skill is very important in this game.

Just like in GW1 where GvG between two top guilds could take 30+ mins and an experienced team could completely destroy a unexperienced team within 2 minutes.

If just gw2 pvp wasn't semi dead.. gw1 pvp was a real pvp, it has all my respect.

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 07 January 2013 - 07:21 AM.

[Lord Azazel]

I am just wondering what happened to arena net promise that when we saved a town we would get remembered by the town folks, Did A net lie about that and personality in which your actions determine if the vendors sell to you or not, Or something like that

[Lucas Ashrock]

Ye, a fake a bit exagerated

[Arewn]

Lucas Ashrock, on 07 January 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

No bro, even core players will move there asap, haha Who is still playing this game is just passing the time waiting better.

Better is coming
Anet fault, gw2 would have been so much of a masterpiece for 8/10 years..noone believe anymore on them, they lost credibility with their content, bugged patches, scams. Even the core is pretty done, just waiting. Then ye, after all is free to log, who has free space on his hdd will leave it there, downloading the new patch if required before log. I just hope we will not see 30kb/s cap like gw1 hahaha

Unfortunately you're pulling this out of thin air, you have little to no support for that claim aside from the all too common "that's my opinion and the opinion of select few others who are fans and also posted similar, and as such the entire world must be conforming to it and doing the same". That's not how it works, you can't assume everyone has the same taste as you. You can't assume that because you find TESO better then GW2 for X, Y and Z reasons, every one else will as well.
It's the same thing people flail their arms about claiming every time a new MMORPG comes out. "OMG old one's dead, it sucks, everyone's leaving for this new one". Just because you don't like what they did with the game does not make it bad or of poor quality. You don't have to like something for it to be good. The most well developed, 'fun', good value game in the world could come out and you might not like it, that doesn't make it bad.
While it certainly has it's problems, objectively speaking GW2 is well developed and of good quality with a multitude of strong features.
If you don't like how it turned out, if you don't like the combination of features and game play that made up the 'final' product, if the current problems detract from the overall game enough to ruin it for you, then fine. That still doesn't make it as bad as you paint it to be, and you don't need to sit here listing bad points as some form of justification for your dislike.
"Better" may be coming for you, but that's not necessarily the case for every one else.

[iLag]

Lucas Ashrock, on 07 January 2013 - 06:01 AM, said:

Haha i'm not torturing you Gil We both knows Teso will drain away the last left on gw2 making the game a ghost town like gw1 if you log now, now add Pso2

This is the gameplay video you're talking about?


(Here is the full version but don't use the 720 version or you will feel sick or in the needing to knee)

I really don't know what part of use those skills i would call hard. For a newbie on his first mmo maybe could appear something like this, an experienced player, honestly, cannot agree at all. One thing is "cool" and must be mastered to make the life ingame and the experience better and funnier, the dodge. For sure, not the skills or their use. Beware i'm not telling "piss in the wind and it's the same". Sorta of.

Yet you are still here talking shit. Also is it just me but that game looks actually pretty sub-par and out dated.

Edited by iLag, 07 January 2013 - 09:20 AM.

[XPhiler]

Lord Azazel, on 07 January 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

I am just wondering what happened to arena net promise that when we saved a town we would get remembered by the town folks, Did A net lie about that and personality in which your actions determine if the vendors sell to you or not, Or something like that

That actually happens to a degree. If you talk to NPCs after saving a town, many of them will thank you for helping them out. Dont think the vendors threat the players who helped save the down differently then players who just come later though. They're supposed to offer a discount based on the line you quote but I never payed close attention to it honestly dont know if that happens or not.

[Arquenya]

Arewn, on 07 January 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

It's the same thing people flail their arms about claiming every time a new MMORPG comes out. "OMG old one's dead, it sucks, everyone's leaving for this new one".

Yes, which a lot of people said about GW2 before it got released!

Arewn, on 07 January 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

Just because you don't like what they did with the game does not make it bad or of poor quality. You don't have to like something for it to be good. The most well developed, 'fun', good value game in the world could come out and you might not like it, that doesn't make it bad.
While it certainly has it's problems, objectively speaking GW2 is well developed and of good quality with a multitude of strong features.
"Better" may be coming for you, but that's not necessarily the case for every one else.

GW2 was very much hyped (mainly due to the original GW's reputation) and a lot of players have no other requirements than a relatively bug free, good looking game that you can play solo but also together with friends. And with no monthly fee being an extra incentive.
Well GW2 lived up to that.

But is it enough to grant it a "GOTY" title? Yes, it's hard to have objective standards to rate a game as "good" or "mediocre" or "bad". Let's at least agree that sales numbers aren't any indication. After all, Britney Spears sells better than Mozart.
I'd say there's just a number of players, a minority, that has higher demands and standards.

Edited by Arquenya, 07 January 2013 - 10:41 AM.

[XPhiler]

Arquenya, on 07 January 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

Yes, which a lot of people said about GW2 before it got released!


Yes, it's hard to have objective standards to rate a game as "good" or "mediocre" or "bad". Let's at least agree that sales numbers aren't any indication. After all, Britney Spears sells better than Mozart. GW2 was very much hyped (mainly due to the original GW's reputation) and a lot of players have no other requirements than a relatively bug free, good looking game that you can play solo but also together with friends. And with no monthly fee being an extra incentive.
Well GW2 lived up to that.

I'd say there's just a number of players, a minority, that has higher demands and standards.

It wouldnt be fair to say some demands / standards are higher then others. For example some people want a gear threadmil for their end game. Some people want an endgame that leaves them free to play the game as they want rather then funneling them in a particular play style. How can anyone claim which one is the higher standard?

You seem to imply all Gw2 did was provide your average gameplay experiance but thats not true for everyone. For me personally Gw2 provided me elements that no other MMO in the market had and some elements that for me personally have been implemented in a much better way in this game. As an overall package till today no other game comes close to providing me all i want in an MMO as Gw2 does.

For me personally Gw2 has the biggest level of immerision I have yet experianced in an MMO. Gw2 leaves me free to play any content I want and still work towards any goals I might desire. Gw2 has in my opinion the most flexable combat system I have ever seen.

Thats not to say that you're wrong. I am sure a good bunch of players wanted an enjoyable generic MMO and found just that. That being said it doesnt mean that anyone who wants something more specialized then a generic MMO hasnt found that in Gw2. Some have, some havent.

[Lucas Ashrock]

Arewn, on 07 January 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

Unfortunately you're pulling this out of thin air, you have little to no support for that claim aside from the all too common "that's my opinion and the opinion of select few others who are fans and also posted similar, and as such the entire world must be conforming to it and doing the same". That's not how it works, you can't assume everyone has the same taste as you. You can't assume that because you find TESO better then GW2 for X, Y and Z reasons, every one else will as well.
It's the same thing people flail their arms about claiming every time a new MMORPG comes out. "OMG old one's dead, it sucks, everyone's leaving for this new one". Just because you don't like what they did with the game does not make it bad or of poor quality. You don't have to like something for it to be good. The most well developed, 'fun', good value game in the world could come out and you might not like it, that doesn't make it bad.
While it certainly has it's problems, objectively speaking GW2 is well developed and of good quality with a multitude of strong features.
If you don't like how it turned out, if you don't like the combination of features and game play that made up the 'final' product, if the current problems detract from the overall game enough to ruin it for you, then fine. That still doesn't make it as bad as you paint it to be, and you don't need to sit here listing bad points as some form of justification for your dislike.
"Better" may be coming for you, but that's not necessarily the case for every one else.

No doubt. I'm not a leader of the core group playing now. I'm just... pretty sure of it, let's say And as i said, not just Teso, add pso2, or ff reborn.
Just look this forum (besides my posts) or maybe ok, the main one, wanna try? 9999 complains directly towards devs about everything, even on festivities sections a moment of happyness and relax calling this company a gambler and scammer company, one "wow this game is great, ty Anet". Now guess what happens when not just one real goty is out, but even two .
You have no idea what happens if teso is f2p roflmao, not even goldsellers will be left hahahaah
Just look at the /map, home server , full server capped (and even most overflows). Silent. Sometimes a lfg lv5 fractal pops. Oh ye, 1 million player are on gw2lfg right? Ah no wait.. XD
And don't write me now an other antihater standardized post about freedom of taste and don't talk for a whole but by yourself, not to me

Arquenya, on 07 January 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

Yes, which a lot of people said about GW2 before it got released!

You made me remember a post i saw on gw1 forum not so long ago, gw2 was pushed more as incoming soon pretty ready. A guy was typing "..and everyone will move asap to gw2 leaving this game a ghost town" the answer "i doubt, the gw1 core is pretty strong, sure a lot will move, new game is incoming, still doesn't means the game will die, don't talk for everyone , your post is thin air ".......right guys? hey wait where are you going.. O__O hey, wait.........is anyone left here?.....ere...ere...ere (echos continue..wind blows)... hihi

iLag, on 07 January 2013 - 09:19 AM, said:

Yet you are still here talking shit. Also is it just me but that game looks actually pretty sub-par and out dated.

Still, you type flaming pointless post just to me not contributing to the thread seems.

p.s. sub-par and outdated huh?

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 07 January 2013 - 12:00 PM.

[Dasryn]

TES:O looks AWESOME!!! omg!!!

i cant say the gameplay itself looks revolutionary. ..   but its looks pretty damn cool!

[Lucas Ashrock]

Aye, and if you loved Oblivion and Skyrim (and older chapters like Morrowind) you will love it more too, a real worthy 2013 goty (now you know why gw2 was pushed out so quickly for 2012 haha, at least between some junk it will be a goty)

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 07 January 2013 - 12:01 PM.

[Vexies]

TESO? Seriously? lol the real fans of this game cant even agree that this game is good or even wanted. The game play looks EXTREMELY dated. Its going to be yet again another typical MMO with trinity and dungeons.  Dont get me wrong I love those aspects of games but this game is just another rock in the MMO pond. Nothing worth getting excited over at all other than the IP.  Will people play it? Sure, people still play SWTOR after all. Fans of a certain IP are fans but is it going to be the next big thing? hardly, especially if it has a sub fee. Just not going to happen.

[Lucas Ashrock]

Well, at least you don't have to pick a class from beginning planning to follow then a build or a path as healer zomg pre2hushjses blah blah, wow / clone style.
You start with stupid clothes from 0, you become a hero ( a real one this time, not the clownish gw2 idea of hero wielding a grinded legendary lolz ), playing the role you like with the best weapons you have, dynamically when and where is needed actively, no button spam heal, heal heal. Not a wow LF1M healer , nor the gw2 everyone is dps, let's zerg that boss, remember to dodge on red circles, try to piss in the wind toward to the boss when you busttonspam your weapon skills, next roll of dice would be fatal, don't worry, even on autoattack you can find a precursor, your performance doesn't matter here, just some gambling rng like a slot machine If you don't mind, i stay stick on teso, a worthy goty. And well, graphic spit in the head of gw2 by miles, content of the bethesda brand was always a masterpiece. Add now it's not a finished product on deep alpha version.. If they keep giving us the kind of content we saw on morrowind, oblivion and skyrim, well, it's the exact reason because everyone will move and stay stick on it asap, goodbye this overbugged junk and their dodge and their scams. Let's not mention pso2 or ff reborn now.
Stop to sing the song 'gw2 da best because we are all dps this is the future'. It's proved to be a fail, and this company just digged the potential, a diamond in the hand of a monkey. Content rule, not a roll on the floor

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 07 January 2013 - 12:58 PM.

[Red Sonya]

Gilles VI, on 27 December 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

That's what a vocal minority accomplishes.

People think the game is very bad, but in reality it's just a couple of people whining about a small part of the game.
Result is everybody forgets the good parts of the game.

But people that can remain objective and keep a distance from forums like this can give their opinion, and apparently some of these people think GW2 is GOTY.

This ^ is sooooo very true. Mostly forums are for the haters with a handful of those enjoying the game trying to thwart their ways. You'll always have more wah wah's and criers and boo hoo'ers on forums of just about every game published. It's all about the game wasn't made the way "I" wanted it or they broke their "PROMISES" to me blah blah blah. I've yet to read one dev statement where they stated WE PROMISE this will be this way FOREVER! lmao

Too many forget these guys are out to make MONEY and they don't give a rats ass about YOU or ME or baby makes 3. Just go over to their official site and see how fast you get banned for lamenting about how bad the game is. lmao. They are going to put in to the game what THEY want to put what THEY feel is best for the whole, not what is best for YOU or ME. You either like it or you don't but you'll have nothing to do with the final line of production.

Now yes they do ask for FEEDBACK but their a difference in feedback and negative non-constructive critisizim. Mostly it's the latter they get all the time. Wah Wah Wah I say WAH WAH WAH hahahah..

The other thing I like to laugh at is the statement of "Well I just won't buy anymore of their stuff" lmao You do realize YOU are not the only person in the world and for every person who makes this statement TWO MORE BUY THEIR STUFF. lol I've been around since Ultima and Everquest and I've heard those statements over and over time and time again and it didn't do anything to those companies or those games. The only thing that will hurt GW2 is if Anet decides not to add new content as the game will eventually just get OLD and players will want something NEW to do. Much like they kept GW1 alive by adding all those TITLES and GRIND. As you can see it's still alive and kicking.

[Gilles VI]

Lucas Ashrock, on 07 January 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

Well, at least you don't have to pick a class from beginning planning to follow then a build or a path as healer zomg pre2hushjses blah blah, wow / clone style.
You start with stupid clothes from 0, you become a hero ( a real one this time, not the clownish gw2 idea of hero wielding a grinded legendary lolz ), playing the role you like with the best weapons you have, dynamically when and where is needed actively, no button spam heal, heal heal. Not a wow LF1M healer , nor the gw2 everyone is dps, let's zerg that boss, remember to dodge on red circles, try to piss in the wind toward to the boss when you busttonspam your weapon skills, next roll of dice would be fatal, don't worry, even on autoattack you can find a precursor, your performance doesn't matter here, just some gambling rng like a slot machine If you don't mind, i stay stick on teso, a worthy goty. And well, graphic spit in the head of gw2 by miles, content of the bethesda brand was always a masterpiece. Add now it's not a finished product on deep alpha version.. If they keep giving us the kind of content we saw on morrowind, oblivion and skyrim, well, it's the exact reason because everyone will move and stay stick on it asap, goodbye this overbugged junk and their dodge and their scams. Let's not mention pso2 or ff reborn now.
Stop to sing the song 'gw2 da best because we are all dps this is the future'. It's proved to be a fail, and this company just digged the potential, a diamond in the hand of a monkey. Content rule, not a roll on the floor

• Content of bethesda a masterpiece?? I guess that's why there are so many mods that don't even add stuff, but just fix what bethesda can't or won't do.
  
  
• TeS:O isn't made by bethesda but by a entirely new company.
  
  
• It's quite stupid you're already praising the combat from it and flaming on GW2 combat system.
  Did you watch the same video as me? Cause at a certain time I saw 2 people tanking a boss and others just standing still casting stuff, same old boring stuff.
  They still have alot to prove, everyone can wield anything?
  Let's see how they balance heavy vs light armor, 2h versus 1h weapons, etc etc.
  btw they never said anything about "on the fly", might aswell be bound like traits in GW2.
  
  
• And did you see the graphics? It's nothing like TeS.. It's like an updated WoW, it looks like WoW made 2 years later, that's all.
  God did you even see the Khajit in that vid? Absolutely ridiculous and absolutely nothing like TeS.

Lucas Ashrock, on 07 January 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

Aye, and if you loved Oblivion and Skyrim (and older chapters like Morrowind) you will love it more too, a real worthy 2013 goty (now you know why gw2 was pushed out so quickly for 2012 haha, at least between some junk it will be a goty)

Now you're just trolling.
TeS:O is nothing like TeS, and especially not like Morrowind..

What makes TeS famous:

• Huge world free to explore
  
• Real time combat
  
• Ability to build however you want
  
• Personal impact on the world
  
• Dark/realistic graphics

Guess what TeS:o doesn't have?

Edited by Gilles VI, 07 January 2013 - 01:20 PM.

[Lucas Ashrock]

You seems having a pretty confused idea of community and customers and dev/company's attitude, a minority of whiners and a full power mass complain, Red Sonya, let me, and i was online from when mmo was some text chat only No offense.

Gil, if you're attempting to throw junk against old bethesda masterpieces attempting to hold your position , or graphic of a 2013 game on alpha state you're turning yourself a bit ridiculous now. (p.s. Skyrim truly won the GOTY, worthy of it, and bethesda is the publisher of tes:o)

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 07 January 2013 - 01:38 PM.

[Gilles VI]

Lucas Ashrock, on 07 January 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

Gil, if you're attempting to throw junk against old bethesda masterpieces attempting to hold your position , or graphic of a 2013 game on alpha state you're turning yourself a bit ridiculous now. (p.s. Skyrim truly won the GOTY, worthy of it)

Opposite, I'm throwing junk against TeS:o which is just a shame for the series.
And ofc Skyrim was a pretty good game, deserved GOTY, but calling Bethesda content brilliant, is a bit excessive..
Hell you're always spouting how GW2 is filled with bugs, I wonder how you can even play TeS..

And my point still stands:

Quote

What makes TeS famous:

• Huge world free to explore
  
• Real time combat
  
• Ability to build however you want
  
• Personal impact on the world
  
• Dark/realistic graphics

Guess what TeS:O doesn't have?

And you can say what you want about the graphics, the game is supposed to come out in 2013, they've been working on it for over 5 years now, the game isn't in alpha anymore.
They used the footage in worldwide first in-game premier video, that means they're proud of it, that it's almost finished.
They're not gonna release a alpha footage video and give all the haters reason to hate it, instead they want to make a good impression, so that is what I fear, that what we saw will even be best graphics..

btw did you see the jumping animation in the video??
Even more retarted than skyrim jumping animation xD

Edited by Gilles VI, 07 January 2013 - 01:44 PM.

[Lucas Ashrock]

This doesn't means is the exact graphic at launch. What i saw is a superb world, Skyrim and morrowind cameos of some places , who played the series will love em. And more. The combat system is blatantly explained on that video, there isn't a final gameplay video showing it next to the launch. we can talk more about it. For sure, i saw a real wvw without culling Let's not turn this thread to a Tes:o thread please, everytime someone write the truth and how this gw2 is absolutely not worthy of a goty award if not because so much sold. Easy task, considering what junk we had on 2012. Smart PR choice, and as admitted by Anet, way more than what they barely expected. Maybe the reason because we have to play this junk? Gil, cut the crap focusing on me. I'm by far one of the player who played the game most, and on his deeper and harder part, as proved. I hate how the company is digging this great game, as explained trillion times. And for sure, i repeat, i don't agree to a goty award to this game at all, except if i have to accept a comparison with what was around gw2. Nothing better for sure. Except PSO2, but sadly is just in japan, cannot be mentioned as a proper comparison of a 2012 contenter

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 07 January 2013 - 01:51 PM.

[Gilles VI]

Lucas Ashrock, on 07 January 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

This doesn't means is the exact graphic at launch. What i saw is a superb world, Skyrim and morrowind cameos of some places , who played the series will love em. And more. The combat system is blatantly explained on that video, there isn't a final gameplay video showing it next to the launch. we can talk more about it. Let's not turn this thread to a Tes:o thread please, everytime someone write the truth and how this gw2 is absolutely not worthy of a goty award if not because so much sold. Easy task, considering what junk we had on 2012. Smart PR choice, and as admitted by Anet, way more than what they barely expected. Maybe the reason because we have to play this junk? Gil, cut the crap focusing on me. I'm by far one of the player who played the game most, and on his deeper and harder part, as proved. I hate how the company is digging this great game, as explained trillion times.

Idc how you feel about GW2 or whatnot, aslong as we have a different opinion on a topic (this one being TeS:O) I will quote and I will talk to you..
What's the problem?
I love TeS just as much you do (unless you're a real freak of the series), I just hate the direction they're taking.
As said million times before, they should've worked on a co-op option for the next TeS, not go the money grabbing way and make an MMO.

As some have said about GW1 -> GW2, but it's absolutely not the same, it's a WoW clone placed in TeS world, just as SW:ToR was, we'll see how it will do compared to the latter.

And again you didn't respond to my points. (you know I'm right?)
And what you saw were a few snapshots of some nice places.
You realise if I take 5 snap shots at lupicus, WvW, DR, Tequatl, Shatterer I have just same epic video right?

Edited by Gilles VI, 07 January 2013 - 01:54 PM.

[Arquenya]

XPhiler, on 07 January 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

It wouldnt be fair to say some demands / standards are higher then others. For example some people want a gear threadmil for their end game. Some people want an endgame that leaves them free to play the game as they want rather then funneling them in a particular play style. How can anyone claim which one is the higher standard?

You seem to imply all Gw2 did was provide your average gameplay experiance but thats not true for everyone. For me personally Gw2 provided me elements that no other MMO in the market had and some elements that for me personally have been implemented in a much better way in this game. As an overall package till today no other game comes close to providing me all i want in an MMO as Gw2 does.

For me personally Gw2 has the biggest level of immerision I have yet experianced in an MMO. Gw2 leaves me free to play any content I want and still work towards any goals I might desire. Gw2 has in my opinion the most flexable combat system I have ever seen.

Thats not to say that you're wrong. I am sure a good bunch of players wanted an enjoyable generic MMO and found just that. That being said it doesnt mean that anyone who wants something more specialized then a generic MMO hasnt found that in Gw2. Some have, some havent.

Well if you think GW2 has the ultimate immersive experience, the better for you. For me, a lot of game elements are rather mediocre/poor or limited/non-existant. Which mainly have to do with RP/immersion stuff, realism (living, breathing and logical world) and the number of viable game options.

[Gilles VI]

Arquenya, on 07 January 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

Well if you think GW2 has the ultimate immersive experience, the better for you. For me, a lot of game elements are rather mediocre/poor or limited/non-existant. Which mainly have to do with RP/immersion stuff, realism (living, breathing and logical world) and the number of viable game options.

And some of us feel exactly the same about other MMO's.
Doesn't mean one of us has "higher standards" as you put it so nice elitist.

[Lucas Ashrock]

I will love to answer more about it, if you explain me the relationship with this thread. In case, we can continue. If not, we can open a thread on his proper section and talk about it. Beware, i'm not fainting about how the gameplay appears on teso. I for sure love the content and lore and how i would feel playing the game, the pleasure to play more and more, regardless of the fact i cannot dodge or i have to be a healer (as much as i told you, should be a dynamical choice).
And considering bethesda is the publisher, i doubt they would allow those devs to go online with overbugged untested junk constantly online regardless of the complains about it as a way to do patches and throw them online triggering old bugs too, a store full of scams, a slotmachine as forge, pathetic design of the game, ignore the customer requests, ban on sight deleting and digging the truth on the main forum attempting to sell a fake shiny goty (lol) product etc etc etc

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 07 January 2013 - 02:04 PM.

[witteker]

Morrowind franchise is not a mmorpg.  There are just too many differences between first person game and an mmorpg.  The river that flows between them is too wide.  Anet/NCsoft have been at mmorpg for decades, and that's all they do.

[raspberry jam]

Arquenya, on 07 January 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

Well if you think GW2 has the ultimate immersive experience, the better for you. For me, a lot of game elements are rather mediocre/poor or limited/non-existant. Which mainly have to do with RP/immersion stuff, realism (living, breathing and logical world) and the number of viable game options.

I wish that they had made GW2 as a truly dynamic world which actually changed in response to the outcomes of dynamic events. As it is, the "dynamic" part is too limited.

[Lucas Ashrock]

Yup, something advertised, how made me amazed reading of it, jeez, i was looking forward to a dynamical world so alive and active. Clearly, needs..erm.. proper design made by serious devs? Just an other goty fake

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 07 January 2013 - 02:08 PM.