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#31 Trei

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:20 AM

View PostFittleluck, on 14 January 2013 - 09:04 AM, said:

Well actually..
Actually?

Your clones can die, but you could just make another bunch right away no?

My pets are not disposable.
When they both die, I can be out of pets for up to 30+ secs depending on situation.

Edit: On second thought, hey maybe you are right after all.

In fact, mesmers could be even better at this.
You can even make clones when downed.
Can you also use shatter while downed?

Edited by Trei, 14 January 2013 - 10:25 AM.


#32 Gilles VI

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:28 PM

View PostDORIANISM, on 14 January 2013 - 08:59 AM, said:

Clearly you didn't fight any ranger that had more than 5 games. Ranger is the best 1v1 in the game. It was at the start of the game, and still is. Even before the "buff".
Now that pets have some hitchance they are viable, and not only used to do the F2 skill. I think a lot of professions would want to have +2k toughness, 4 evades, 50% endurance regen, 1-7 immobilizes, perma upkeep: vigor, regen, bleed, burn and poison  <all on short CD. And let's not forget the quickness on a 20s CD.
Like some posts above, ranger is designed for 1v1. So saying you deserve to get stomped if he kills you 1v1 is not true.

I always play bunker in tournaments, so I had my fair share of doing 1v1 versus a ranger..
And yet they never manage to kill me, maybe if they had 2+ minutes or so yes, but 2 minutes is an eternity compared to the mobility of other roamers, so if you die in a 1v1, you deserve to get killed.

#33 fatrodmc

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 01:35 AM

OP is funny. Complaining about rangers...

As someone else said Rangers are free kills. I get excited when I see a ranger for 1v1.

Sad thing is im a ranger...

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:56 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 14 January 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

I always play bunker in tournaments, so I had my fair share of doing 1v1 versus a ranger..
And yet they never manage to kill me, maybe if they had 2+ minutes or so yes, but 2 minutes is an eternity compared to the mobility of other roamers, so if you die in a 1v1, you deserve to get killed.
If you run a bunker you shoudnt get downed by any profession in a 1v1. But then don't state in general "If you get downed by a ranger, you deserve to get stomped". Because if you are not a bunker. A ranger is a hard opponent in a 1v1. Even in a 2v1 against a ranger. A ranger has a chance to win it. (Yes even in paids vs lvl 40's)

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:06 PM

View PostDORIANISM, on 15 January 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

If you run a bunker you shoudnt get downed by any profession in a 1v1. But then don't state in general "If you get downed by a ranger, you deserve to get stomped". Because if you are not a bunker. A ranger is a hard opponent in a 1v1. Even in a 2v1 against a ranger. A ranger has a chance to win it. (Yes even in paids vs lvl 40's)

Lol. My mesmer/war/ele & engineer teammates would like to have a word with you..
If we see a ranger in enemy team we know it's a 5v4,5 or so, the ranger can do damage, hurt you, but he's not worth a full spot.

+ I think you understand bunker wrong..
Bunker can very much be killed in 1v1, it just takes a very long time..

Edited by Gilles VI, 15 January 2013 - 08:25 PM.


#36 Virdiana Sovari

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:34 PM

Ranger downed is perfectly made EXCEPT for underwater downed #3 skill. That one is bugged and should be fixed ASAP (I'm playing ranger in pvp a lot - and it's funny when i die underwater just to use #3 aka pet rez and revive no matter that two or three people are trying to kill me. Pet dead? Doesn't matter, still ressurecting - that's a big bug)

#37 MrForz

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:48 PM

Pets... Well. Supply Crate was one of the few things I was happy to finish players with when confronted in a 1 vs Many.

Removing the ability to attack downed players for pets and other assets related to pets would be removing the main purpose of their existence, along with some flexibility in battles between small groups.

Edited by MrForz, 15 January 2013 - 08:55 PM.


#38 draxynnic

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:56 AM

View PostTrei, on 29 December 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

Warriors' adrenaline, elementalists' attunements, thieves' steal, necros' DS, engies' belt, mesmers' shattering, guardians' virtues...
Hmmm...

Can any of the above get killed midfight?
It's at one remove, but killing a mesmer's illusions pretty much kills shatters. But the point is still well made - the ranger keeping their pet when downed is simply a payoff for all the other ways a ranger can lose their profession mechanic.

Another point to be made, however, addresses the OP's claim that ranger pets should be nerfed because other professions have to make investments to have their pets (mesmers aside...) while rangers get it inherently. Myself, I think that's looking at it from the wrong perspective. Rather, rangers don't have any choice but to have their pet, and thus it's more important that it be useful in a wide range of circumstances than a necromancer minion that can be traded out for something else.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:29 AM

View PostGilles VI, on 15 January 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

Lol. My mesmer/war/ele & engineer teammates would like to have a word with you..
If we see a ranger in enemy team we know it's a 5v4,5 or so, the ranger can do damage, hurt you, but he's not worth a full spot.

+ I think you understand bunker wrong..
Bunker can very much be killed in 1v1, it just takes a very long time..

I guess you have no Idea of tpvp. Just look for Purie in the Leaderboard. He is the Trap Ranger of Chieftain Ninjas.
And just simply trust Plook, he is actually right - nothing can kill a bunker Ranger in 1vs1. However they dont bring much group support (like bunker guards and ele), thats why they are not that common and everyone plays trap ranger.
In Paids more and more Necromancer get exchanged by rangers.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:52 AM

Yeah brilliant! Lets remove the rangers only uniqueness and f1-f4 skills. Here you go sir! Have a medal.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:49 AM

you can't prosecute ranger like that, every profession has their unique downed skills.

beside if they downed you after you downed them doesn't that make them rally?  don't understand what your trying to do here.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:07 PM

View PostUssjTrunks, on 30 December 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

Rangers are basically free kills in this game. Stop complaining.

ranger is the strongest 1vs1 class in the game. i havent los one yet to be honest ( wvw ). doesnt matter if thief, mesmer, bunker ele or guardian. they are all dieing or running away.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:04 AM

A good ranger is deadly. A bad ranger is a free kill. It buggers me when we are both downed (me as a thief and a ranger) and ranger's pet kills me, but I would say this is a feature, not a bug. Ranger relies on the pet heavily, so I say this works like it should.




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