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[Lordkrall]

I wonder why people keep ignoring the fact that we already know that they ARE working on the Precursor issue and that they will add a more "definite" way to get them.

And running around shouting that ArenaNet is manipulating the drop rates in order for people to buy gems is just silly.
If they wanted to sell more gems they could easily add quite a few things to the gemstore that people would buy, and yet you think they would rather change the drop rates of things in game?

[Gilles VI]

The Shadow, on 31 December 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

I did the whole, custom, buy order thing on Rare daggers in the hopes of getting Spark.

So I've spent 250g already, made about 100g back thanks to exotics.

But seriously.. Is this what Anet intended when they said they were keeping their eyes on the situation and wanted to make precursors more attainable?

'Cause I'm certainly not seeing it. Shoulda just saved up an extra 150g more and bought the bloody thing off TP.

But now that seems senseless, since I've spent so much already, perhaps I should restart the whole process? Besides, Spark is at like 450g right now, awesome stuff.

What kind of luck have you guys been having?

Friends of mine have done this method (some of them multiple times) and always gotten their chosen pre-cursor and in fact ended up making a profit. Some other people got x2 precursors at the Karka event. Some of them got their pre-cursor randomly just by saving same-type dungeon drops and forging them. Silly me for believing I'd ever so be lucky, I suppose.

Either way, after having horrible luck with Clovers (spent over 500k Karma and still only have 40) and wasting 250g on the Mystic hole of horror, I'm at a bit of a loss as to what to do. I know how to make money, I know how to get Karma, I know how to salvage for ectos, the point is this whole ridiculous RNG factor just doesn't seem fair at all.

It's depressing cause I've pretty much got all the mats for 2 of the 3 legendaries I want, I just don't have the Clovers or Spark or Karma for the Gifts of Mastery.

I hope this doesn't come across as a massive whine. I'm curious as to how other people have fared/ failed. What are your views on the system?

Well to be honest, I make all my gold of people like you.
I gave up long ago on the mystic forge, and I just craft rare daggers and w/e for other people, make a profit on it untill I can just buy my pre-cursor.
Sucks for you though, although 250g isn't really much to get one, ~250g would be 800 daggers?
While most evidence shows statistically you need 1600 items to get a pre-cursor.

Or wait untill they implement the scavenger hunt.

Daesu, on 31 December 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

I am still waiting for the fanboys to come out and say this mystic forge gold sink is necessary to curb inflation.  Considering the amount of gold that got sucked into it, it is a very effective gold sink wouldn't you say?

How else are they going to nudge people to pay real money for gold?

How exactly does mystic forge remove gold from the game?

[The Shadow]

Gilles VI, on 01 January 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Well to be honest, I make all my gold of people like you.
I gave up long ago on the mystic forge, and I just craft rare daggers and w/e for other people, make a profit on it untill I can just buy my pre-cursor.
Sucks for you though, although 250g isn't really much to get one, ~250g would be 800 daggers?
While most evidence shows statistically you need 1600 items to get a pre-cursor.

Or wait untill they implement the scavenger hunt.

Well I've had better luck with RNG in Korean MMO's than I have with GW2.

What does that tell you?

And it was more around 1000 daggers-ish, custom buy orders for around 25-27S per Rare 80 Dagger.

And yeah, I never found crafting to be profitable enough for me, if it works for you then awesome

[Lordkrall]

It simply tells us that you have bad luck.
Simple as that,

Edited by Lordkrall, 01 January 2013 - 04:28 PM.

[Daesu]

Gilles VI, on 01 January 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

How exactly does mystic forge remove gold from the game?

Wealth is gold and wealth includes the valuable things that you own, not just gold per se.  At the very least, these things can be sold to a vendor for new gold.   By removing wealth from the player, it removes potential gold from the game.

[Millimidget]

Daesu, on 01 January 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

Wealth is gold and wealth includes the valuable things that you own, not just gold per se.  At the very least, these things can be sold to a vendor for new gold.   By removing wealth from the player, it removes potential gold from the game.

This was answered earlier in the thread I believe. Your argument is not sound; the bulk of the wealth still remains since someone is collecting proceeds from your purchases off the TP, and the opportunity cost of selling those items to the vendor instead of dumping them into the forge is insignificant (you're talking what, 2s per item from the vendor?). The relevant factor is Anet's TP cut, which sucks far far far more out of the economy.

Unless you're both farming the materials and crafting the items yourself, then yes, there's a major gold sink involved (which I know to be your conclusion, Daesu).

Edited by Millimidget, 01 January 2013 - 07:40 PM.

[Daesu]

Millimidget, on 01 January 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

This was answered earlier in the thread I believe. Your argument is not sound; the bulk of the wealth still remains since someone is collecting proceeds from your purchases off the TP, and the opportunity cost of selling those items to the vendor instead of dumping them into the forge is insignificant (you're talking what, 2s per item from the vendor?). The relevant factor is Anet's TP cut, which sucks far far far more out of the economy.

Unless you're both farming the materials and crafting the items yourself, then yes, there's a major gold sink involved (which I know to be your conclusion, Daesu).

But the guy you gave your money to for the item already has that wealth because he found that item from a loot.  Assuming a fair trade, you are just trading his item for your gold.  Having that item disappear in the MF is a blow to your wealth, otherwise there wouldn't be such a thread like this one, would there?  Call it a 'wealth sink' if you prefer but they do the same job as the other gold sinks, which is to make you poor.  Yes I am well aware of the TP gold sink which I have already mentioned.

Edited by Daesu, 02 January 2013 - 01:30 AM.

[LavaSquid]

damn, might as well be patient and collect those account bound/soulbound rares/exotics and slowly throw them into MF. ><

[jthamind]

i just spent roughly 50 more gold (on top of what i've spent in the past, which is no small amount) on rare staves to throw in the Mystic Forge. and as i was throwing them in and not getting The Legend, i just kept getting this sinking, defeated feeling. i wasn't angry or raging, i wasn't sad, i wasn't bewildered, i was just emotionless and defeated. and i realized that this isn't what games are about. yeah, MMOs can be a grindfest, and yeah, they can be social mechanisms, but at their core, they're still video games. video games should be fun, and they can often be challenging, or funny, or emotional, or frustrating. but in the end, you should get some enjoyment out of what you're doing in the game. but no, not this. it's like they literally don't want you to get it unless you give another lucky player 300 or 400 of your gold (assuming you want one of the few good looking legendaries).

and i realized that's the biggest problem with the precursor deal atm. there's nothing fun or rewarding about it, there's no achievement or skill.....it's literally just the RNG saying no, you can't have it yet, no, you can't have it yet, nope, you still can't have it.....even though i've spent hundreds of hours making Mystic Clovers, getting tier 6 mats, getting 500 WvW badges, etc etc. i've done it all. but nope, that isn't good enough for Anet. it's like they want to keep beating you down and down and down.

i remember when i first got to level 80 on my elementalist. i had no exotics or rares, and i wanted to get a set. i worked hard to get my gold, and i bought my set piece by piece by piece from the trading post. it was so rewarding working for it and slowly reaching that gold until i had all exotics. that was a great feeling. i put in all the effort and was rewarded with a nice set of armor.

but this....this is just senseless. i'm not being rewarded for hundreds of hours of work. it's not fun anymore, it's not even a chore....it's just like an involuntary reaction what i have gold. what makes it worse is that i don't even need the gold for anything else, so there's no regret from tossing it into the forge. just a numb feeling of knowing it's going to waste.

Anet, bring the fun back, the rewarding feeling back, the challenge back of getting a legendary. this is just pathetic.

sorry for the long winded post, i just felt like saying all that. i know i'm preaching to the choir for the most part, though. lol.

[Lordkrall]

You mean like the scavenger hunt they have talked about and are currently working on?

[jthamind]

i'm having my doubts that it will be fun or rewarding, but i hope they prove me wrong.

[DuskWolf]

Lordkrall, on 01 January 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

I wonder why people keep ignoring the fact that we already know that they ARE working on the Precursor issue and that they will add a more "definite" way to get them.ates of things in game?

Didn't they say that about Ascended gear? And that's made it into the game, hasn't it? Oh, wait...

I'm sorry, guy, but you're being fed a line. That's what ArenaNet does, they feed all of the lines, and provide none of the good faith.

[Bloodtau]

After arenanet has said multiple times that they will be implementing a precursor treasure hunt quest line in the near future, why are people actually still gambling in the forge?....

[Lucas Ashrock]

I wonder the same. Maybe is the "if and when ready" who can discourage the player to wait 6 months more, even 1 year, or god knows maybe never because the dev tought was a fail easy to exploit and trashed, and well, the community slowly pass over forgetting it.
I guess the dev who posted it (Hrouda) is praying every day he could just never wrote that post and leave the community without a fake promise or something hard/far to realize, hehe

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 08 January 2013 - 07:27 AM.