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#1 lmaonade

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:50 AM

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I was thinking about sword and board (since I like the set up), but it's difficult to trait for since I'd be giving up a lot, and the traits themselves suck (except for the grandmaster trait, but going deep into radiance isn't good at all)

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:51 AM

GS/Staff with Sceptre/Focus/Shield in bag for situations that require it.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:54 AM

View PostXephenon, on 02 January 2013 - 02:51 AM, said:

GS/Staff with Sceptre/Focus/Shield in bag for situations that require it.

thought so, I already use all those weapons, they just work too well. Oh well, sword and board will have to wait another day

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:00 AM

Yeah, I wish Sword/Shield was more useful. Sadly its more of a PvP weapon as other combos do what they do in PvE, but better.

Hammer will work in place of GS too, I just don't like it due to the final attack of the #1 chain.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:04 AM

View PostXephenon, on 02 January 2013 - 03:00 AM, said:

Yeah, I wish Sword/Shield was more useful. Sadly its more of a PvP weapon as other combos do what they do in PvE, but better.

Hammer will work in place of GS too, I just don't like it due to the final attack of the #1 chain.

exactly the same reason i don't like it either, the mark is awesome, but it's just too slow for my tastes.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 12:21 PM

Bring all.
There are situations where you want to use them.

I usually run hammer/staff these days however.

focus+scepter for bosses that one shouldn't try to face tank.

Shield when you might need that extra knockback ( grawl shaman fractal )

I found sword to be nice in the asuran fractal for the moments your wall of reflect/stability is on recharge.
use sword #3 and reflect that KD lightning back into that harpy's face.

mace is basically your über tank weapon, so just use it when staying alive 100% of the time is more important then staying alive 99% of the time while dishing out superior damage.
Or simply when there is not a lot of burst damage, but a small steady stream of damage instead.
the heal on mace auto attack is pretty ok to counter such damage.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:28 PM

I keep seeing this kind of topic, never ceased to be amazed, is not stupid thing to ask and use the same weapons for all the fractals ? what is different in fractals beside all dungeons combined, or all PvE, or all WvW ?

If you want to be optimal and almost perfect you will change your weapons in every fractal and before all bosses, each of them has different mecanics.
You will want your shield/sword when bombarded with projectiles, youll want your mace when you have melee party and tanking, and so on ...

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:22 AM

View PostB3aT, on 02 January 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

I keep seeing this kind of topic, never ceased to be amazed, is not stupid thing to ask and use the same weapons for all the fractals ? what is different in fractals beside all dungeons combined, or all PvE, or all WvW ?

If you want to be optimal and almost perfect you will change your weapons in every fractal and before all bosses, each of them has different mecanics.
You will want your shield/sword when bombarded with projectiles, youll want your mace when you have melee party and tanking, and so on ...

uh no, not really. Theoretically each weapon set will have its own niche to fill, but the reality is not so, some setups are clearly superior to other setups across the board.

In what situation would you use sword main hand over scepter?
scepter has superior general DPS, AoE DPS, control, and (obviously) range.
projectile blocking is the only area in which sword is better and the increase is trivial to what Guardians can do with their other slots, take wall of reflection with consecrations trait for a 12 second block, along with a 4 second bubble from shield, the 3 extra seconds from ZB is far less significant than what you lose if you don't take scepter.

And I don't need to bring every weapon because I don't PuG, I run set teams with my guild and have specific roles that involve weapons that I already have, I do have most weapons though, the only ones I forgo are sword, torch, and hammer, the sword is not useful, the other 2 have their uses but I just don't enjoy them, my team makes up for the hole.

Edited by lmaonade, 04 January 2013 - 11:25 AM.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

Some setups are superior depending on your main role to the party, you didn`t specified it.
Also there are 9 fractals, each of them have different mecanics so different needs.

Just to answer the topic will be "Staff", thats the main choice for all fractals (swifnesss for swampland/cliffside, empower for all the others).

The least used wps are sword and focus.

Edited by B3aT, 04 January 2013 - 04:00 PM.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:38 PM

I primarily use hammer/staff combo, but as the fractals get progressively harder I have been going with scepter + shield a lot more, especially on bosses since most agony applications are easy to avoid while at range.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:46 PM

Hammer: protection <3
Mace/shield: heal, regen and protection
Staff
Scepter/focus

Just change according to the situation.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:48 PM

View PostB3aT, on 02 January 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

I keep seeing this kind of topic, never ceased to be amazed, is not stupid thing to ask and use the same weapons for all the fractals ? what is different in fractals beside all dungeons combined, or all PvE, or all WvW ?

If you want to be optimal and almost perfect you will change your weapons in every fractal and before all bosses, each of them has different mecanics.
You will want your shield/sword when bombarded with projectiles, youll want your mace when you have melee party and tanking, and so on ...

This ^

If you want to be stubborn then I don't see how you can screw up scepter/focus + mace/shield but having every weapon in your bag would make for smoother runs.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:04 PM

View Postarmoured bearshark, on 04 January 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

This ^

If you want to be stubborn then I don't see how you can screw up scepter/focus + mace/shield but having every weapon in your bag would make for smoother runs.

You and B3at have misunderstood the topic, or perhaps I didn't specify enough, I wasn't asking which weapon I should use as much as I was asking which if your favorite (hence "weapon of choice"), I'm going to still use GS/Staff in any situation that I can get away with since those 2 are my favorite, and I do keep other weapon sets in my bag, Scepter/Shield being my favorite to swap in.

It was just a small rant at the end about how I would like to take sword and shield into fractals but finding it underwhelming in almost all situations and how I can't trait for it effectively to make it decent.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:22 PM

I bring my hammer everywhere, but I'll switch it out with a greatsword if my group has another guardian that uses the hammer. These are my preferred secondary weapons for the fractals.

cliffside - mace/focus
snowblind - sword/shield
swamp - Staff
underground facility - scepter/focus
urban battlegrounds - scepter/shield
volcanic - scepter/focus
uncategorized - scepter/shield

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:37 PM

View Postlmaonade, on 04 January 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

You and B3at have misunderstood the topic, or perhaps I didn't specify enough, I wasn't asking which weapon I should use as much as I was asking which if your favorite (hence "weapon of choice"), I'm going to still use GS/Staff in any situation that I can get away with since those 2 are my favorite, and I do keep other weapon sets in my bag, Scepter/Shield being my favorite to swap in.

It was just a small rant at the end about how I would like to take sword and shield into fractals but finding it underwhelming in almost all situations and how I can't trait for it effectively to make it decent.

Then you should edit your first post to plainly state that. From the looks of it, everybody has also misunderstood what you want in the thread and just posted their preffered weapons in fractals. Your topic is a question and your OP is a statement that has nothing to do with the topic.

I'd like to show you these threads:
http://www.guildwars...tive-dps-tests/
http://www.guildwars...word-be-viable/

I used to run a 0/30/30/10/0 setup for right hand strength and AH with mainly 1h sword. I tried Sigil of Bloodlust, Sigil Of Water + Sigil of Accuracy combinations on a Beserker sword, shield, torch and Soldier Focus and the build just seemed squishy (you're still an AH guardian though). I'm running 0/20/30/20/0 now with EM and AH and this build is significantly tankier.

Currently I have a sigil of blood and sigil of accuracy in my sword and shield and the EM/AH/crit build can stay in melee range longer than the right hand strength build. The problem the Right Hand Strength build has in the harder dungeons is that it demands you're in melee range (talking about sword here) but you don't have the sustain to stay in melee range, you will be getting hit by agony or dots or poison or minions, something will be hitting you that no amount of dodging will help, also because of your high toughness and the fact that you're using a shield you'll gain aggro by just being there, the sword's high dps will also make sure you don't lose that aggro even if you switch weapons and back off.

You can try both of the builds, see which one you like but I still stand with B3at in you should carry one of each weapon along with you.




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