Trei, on 04 January 2013 - 05:56 AM, said:
General rule of thumb:
If something makes you hesitate even the slightest and go "is this intended?"... then it is not, until officially confirmed otherwise.
And tell me, when you find a thread on the trashole main forum so much controlled by mods
without any anet post on it, explaining exactly the procedure, with just a couple guys typing "uhm, i think is an exploit" , how exactly a stressed guy playing from months, constantly poor not over 30-40g saving from long, is gonna think is an exploit, expecially when other users posted the math and possibilities and loss and thread not locked/ deleted? After all it wasn't a perfect 100% "you use 1 ecto, you have 5 ectos" dupe, had losses and sometimes you had to redo the entire process.
After all, crafting using t5 mats of every other crafting discipline was giving you ectos sometimes, so why not. Did you crafted using ectos? Why the hell you have ectos back? Isn't it an abuse, an exploit? No? Why.
Gilles VI, on 04 January 2013 - 09:56 PM, said:
Name me other MMO's that have a sub fee that don't charge a box price?
DC universe. (you can play for free, but most major functions are not available)
chrisbdrake, on 04 January 2013 - 07:25 AM, said:
No, it's not that simple. You may be surprised to learn tat MMO's are extremely complex pieces of code filled with unintended circumstances. If they waited until the code was perfect to release it, it would never see the light of day. It's not like baking a batch of cookies.
Stop pretending to know how mmo and programming works. A dev prepare a content. Which yes, can be faulty or badly programmed, it's a complex content.
QA paid workers test it before goes online
. Guess what, it's their work
. We are customers, players, we are not paid for find every bugs
Being specific about snowflakes, this exploit wasn't at all "you have to use just an asura, and then after you complete the rata sum jumping puzzle, in that exact moment when you complete it you have to craft quickly and then salvage, you will get back more ectos". This
is an incredible and hard to recognize exploit, rare to find (but not impossible, happens when thousand players go around playing the content) who can justify a human error programming. A core function like craft using a recipe, having mats, then check the behaviour when salvaged, is a basic function of the game and the crafting discipline. A QA with some brain and a salary plan his work to check core functions firsts then advanced functions, then at last, special cases until possible and his personal attempts to create a unique environment like the "just the asura after the jp.. " i wrote.
As you see, this junk mmo has an extremely poor staff management, QA test is not made by paid workers who knows how to do their work as expected by every big mmo (expecially a paid mmo, we paid the account) but instead we, paid customers,
are the testers.
Everything happens is on our back, if something is wrong or an exploit, well, QA player is absolutely not banned, was his work to find (or eventually read about it on the forum) , and test it deeply confirming was truly a bad behaviour giving away loads of ectos. We users are terminated. EU customers at least will get back their cash maybe soon. NA customers, well, hehe..
Now i wonder: it's weeks, months everyone is typing on the main forum, on fanbased forum, reddit, various blogs, everywhere how trashy is this game, how the company is managing the game in a pathetic scamming way, trillion new bugs constantly online even bugs where customers pay the price perma banned (like the snowflakes one) and still, there is people left on this game?
Even still using a credit card wasting cash for the so famous (even on chistmas, talking about greedy and immoral) gemstore scam?
I can do an 3 pages long list of wrong things on this game to leave even the strongest illuded fanboy disgusted, but i will talk about this exact topic of the thread:
True, who abused of this bug ingame deserved a punishment. But considering this kind of bug was available from day one, did you wonder how many used it?
Some used it just a bit, realizing something was wrong, and in the doubt, left.
Some (like me) didn't give a damn of new recipes at all, never even being aware of this bug. (I discovered it yesterday night opening this thread , back from holidays, go figure).
Some tought "lemme check" finding a thread and reddit posts explaining exactly the procedure, the loss, the math, and no Anet employee warning the community it was a bug and soon removed, inviting customers to not use it until fixed.
So "why not? i miss 70 ectos for my mesmer weapon, finally i can complete it" some tought (as you see, no cashout involved, just personal interests to craft his weapon).
Some with an evil grin started to abuse of it massively, looking forward to the huge income.
Now, how a serious company would deal with this mess? Instead of act like a judge dredd pretending to choose who is worthy to have his account killed or not, simply do a reroll
of the system deleting from the world the incident. Who was involved on this bug abusing of it, get back his account as it was before the first abuse, players not involved will never be aware of it if not reading a thread about what happened and the reroll on a forum.
Guess what, an efficent staff removing ater 3 minutes the bug was expected. If not finding the bug by themself as expected, at least in a matter of 3 minutes from when it went public. Instead no, 4 days, no Anet post.
Just a bug, a fault of the company, from dev to QA. Turned to be an exploit for permaban.
No, noone have to pay. Nor Anet, nor us. Just fix it, reroll abusers. Easy isn't it, it's their fault leaving junk online. Instead no. Customers banned, this is the best right? And people is even happy of paid friends who are no more online, just because desperate of this crappy game where everything is unreacheable if not grinding like mad and spending a lot of gold? Are you serious? Stop telling us "they are just junk, they all deserved to be terminated".
No, not everyone was a trashy shark.
What's fun even if everyone reading my post, even the entire forum reading it will type "Lucas is right, screw this game, i'm leaving", wouldn't fix. Sadly, this thread nor my post would target every customer. Would not wake up the minds of who still believe Anet choice banning his own customers for their fault is not exactly how a serious mmo company works. Even typing 3 pages of what this game has wrong and the junk still online and kept being released every day would help. A sheep, will always remain a sheep. Enjoy gw2, until next time you're banned because you didn't open the main forum before log, just crafting and salvaging something else receiving, oh damn, some ectos. Then, maybe you will remember Lucas post posting around about the junk online and how this company behave as a low class unnamed trashy one. Nah, useless hope, even if is abusively permabanned, a sheep will buy a new account again.
Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 06 January 2013 - 06:20 AM.