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#241 Cobalt60

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:10 AM

People weren't banned for doing Augury Rock at low levels, they were banned for exploiting a glitch in the mission to get the mission rewards repeatedly.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:25 AM

View Postphabby, on 08 January 2013 - 07:36 AM, said:

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Exactly what are we supposed to deduce from that pic?

I see someone with anet name tag saying he was making one piece of the jewelry for unspecified reasons.

Was it wrong of him to decline comments when it was only the what 3rd day from the start of wintersday?

Anet was probably still trying to determine if it was or was not a significant exploit.

In the meantime, should anyone with any common sense, wisdom and ethics have continued doing what could well turn out to be an exploit again and again and again?

Edited by Trei, 08 January 2013 - 11:30 AM.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:34 AM

View Postphabby, on 08 January 2013 - 02:50 AM, said:

.Point 4- Not once has Anet addressed the issue in regards to what about  the existing game content and Can We get banned for playing the game normally now, since NO ONE knows what Normal is and what is an exploit in game or what has been tested and has passed as normal.
There reply on this case is , if something looks to be good to be true (making an avarage of 20 G proffit on 100 salvages can be considered to good to be true).

On my case I did not make any proffit even a 1 G loss on avarage.

View PostLafiele, on 08 January 2013 - 12:23 AM, said:

Every single person who got banned knew it was an exploit.

Don't talk without knowing your stuff first. How was I supposed to know a new recipe is an exploit?
Especialy if you look at these facts.
I did not knew about the mithril version (used orichalcum version)
I made no proffit , if i made 20 G proffit at 100 crafts A bell would had ringed and would had either did it another few 100 times or reported the recipe.
The prices of orichalcum and the snowflake did not exploded in fact not changed at all that could have ringed my exploit bell. If you compare it to mithril that went from 40 C to 2 S and the t5 snowflake beign 30 S while the t6 snowflake i used was just 1 S.
Crafting an item only to salvage it is not illigal at all in fact was an intended part of the economy to preffent t5 prices from reaching NPC price.

View PostWrathfulForce, on 07 January 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

2) even some players that made very little profit were banned

I know some that saw post on forums and such where it said it made then lots of money. The posters probaly are dirty pigs who bought up all the mithril and snowflakes to sell em at 2 s and 30 s to those poor guys.

Cause the ecomy "ballanced" fairly quickly making this item being pure about luck(how many globs u get per salvage on avarage).
The guys who crafted it later where just unlucky but could have known it was at exploit or at least not intended. No way arenanet wanted the price of mithril going up so high.

View PostTrei, on 08 January 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

Exactly what are we supposed to deduce from that pic?

I see someone with anet name tag saying he was making one piece of the jewelry for unspecified reasons.

Was it wrong of him to decline comments when it was only the what 3rd day from the start of wintersday?

Anet was probably still trying to determine if it was or was not a significant exploit.

In the meantime, should anyone with any common sense, wisdom and ethics have continued doing what could well turn out to be an exploit again and again and again?

He could have said I wouldn't craft it if I was you (also on forums and reddit like they refuse to also do there). Or just "delete" the recipe way faster in stead of waiting till day 4.

This post proofs they knew about it before day 4 but waited too long(every sec is too long) to take action by removing the recipe for unkown time.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 02:25 PM

View PostReMarkable91, on 08 January 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

On my case I did not make any proffit even a 1 G loss on avarage.
How many times did you do it, despite apparently making an average loss?
Why did you continue to do it enough times to qualify for a ban, despite making losses?

So let's say another idealistically dumb thief spent $100 dollars to buy a damn stethoscope to crack a safe, but in the end failed to open the safe and got caught instead.
Oh hey, he made a net loss of a hundred bucks, surely he shouldn't be charged with any crime... even though the intention was crystal clear... right?

Like I said, three sides to every story.
Nothing personal, but I don't believe yours.

Edited by Trei, 08 January 2013 - 02:36 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:28 PM

View PostTrei, on 08 January 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

How many times did you do it, despite apparently making an average loss?
Why did you continue to do it enough times to qualify for a ban, despite making losses?

So let's say another idealistically dumb thief spent $100 dollars to buy a damn stethoscope to crack a safe, but in the end failed to open the safe and got caught instead.
Oh hey, he made a net loss of a hundred bucks, surely he shouldn't be charged with any crime... even though the intention was crystal clear... right?

Like I said, three sides to every story.
Nothing personal, but I don't believe yours.

My intention was trying to make money yeah is that like a bad thing? And why I did it over a hundreds times? Well after 10 salvages I figured it could have either been an 10 G proffit in 100 salvages or an 10 G loss. But just wanted to test it out or something , wanted to know the avarage glob u get from exotics(1.2 not that much higher then rares). Beside there was no reason to think what I was doing is an exploit what is my main point. Orichalcum price stayed the same and same for the snowflake and no obvious huge proffit. If you compare it to the mithril version they could have seen 2 S for mithril and 30 S for a snowflake is wrong. And it was clear for them in 10 crafts that in 100 crafts they would either get 25 G or 100 G proffit wich could had ring there bell. Nothing like in my story.

And since we are making stupid real life examples to proof our point , this is like a gang of super bad ass gangsters where in the park shooting inocent people. I was there with my fake toygun as an kid having fun saying pow pow , and ended up getting arrested because hey I could have also been an gangster with the intention to kill people... I had no idea guns could actualy hurt people =( Why do I get the same fcking punnishment and judgement as the real "crimminals".

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:43 PM

View PostCobalt60, on 08 January 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

People weren't banned for doing Augury Rock at low levels, they were banned for exploiting a glitch in the mission to get the mission rewards repeatedly.
Ah, I see. That, on the other hand, is something that people should get banned for.

Well, or, temp banned (72 hrs.) and the rewards removed - IIRC it was only xp (and skill points?).

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:05 PM

temp bans are for things like swearing like a sailor in map chat or inappropriate character names...exploiting deserves the permaban, IMO.  They don't even begin to compare.

I, like many others, heard about this snowflake exploit pretty early on during the wintersday event.  I did not get banned because common sense told me that something was not quite right with the whole thing and I purposefully avoided it.  Posts about it on the official forums, here at Guru, and other sites made it fairly clear that a lot of other players noticed the same thing.  Those that made the choice to go ahead with it anyhow will get no sympathy from me.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:52 PM

View PostNikephoros, on 07 January 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

The issue, guy, is that it hardly resembles the definition of "exploit."  It more likely resembles the definition of "capitalizing on an undervalued asset."  

Therefore, when  folks like myself don't even consider it an exploit (at worst a very grey area) then yes, we ARE upset when people get banned.  Ban people for cheating and stealing and buying gold all day long.  Don't ban people when the offense is so questionable and there has been proven to be 0 damage to the game econ.

I'm sorry you didn't realize that it was an exploit but that doesn't change the fact that yes, it was an exploit.

If it's too good to be true then it probably is. How much did you make from it?

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:53 PM

Its unbelieveble this happends.
I have played alot of MMOs and in all of them when there are big content updates, there will be some new recipes added to the game that people will find out and use to make big profits. But after a few days marked will stablilize and everything would be back to normal again. And this happends in every MMO I played. So its very understandeble that people didnt think of an exploit.
And if it was an exploit in other MMOs, they would fix it, and sometimes rollback the accounts who used it when the economy was heavily damaged and in some rare cases ban the players for a few days.

Its just sad Anet handles this way.. Its just sad.

Edited by this a pointed, 08 January 2013 - 04:54 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 06:01 PM

You're talking about serious companies with a serious staff who don't release constant junkpatches online not tested, leaving the community as tester and permabanning anyone using anomalies not even being aware of it ;)
Big difference between a serious mmo and this junk

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 06:22 PM

View Postraspberry jam, on 08 January 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

But there were no rules. I never heard of a ban for doing Augury Rock at low level, but I don't doubt your word.

I remember reading an interview from long ago (2006 or so) when some dev said that Droks runs were something that really took the devs by surprise (which I partially doubt since Lornar's Pass seemingly only exists for that purpose), but that they were happy to see it, and viewed it as a piece of great player ingenuity instead of as an exploit, even though it partially was. How times have changed, huh? I can only begin to imagine the waves of bans that would happen if the equivalent of Droks runs would happen in GW2.

I was wrong on the specifics of their bans for Augury Rock. (Guru)(GW.com) Apparently some people were repeating the mission to generate tons of experience and skill points, because the mission had a much higher XP reward before. This was so long ago that refund points still existed. So basically, repeating that particular mission was an exploit.

You're right; there really were no rules forbidding that or many other specific exploits. Every time they punish exploits and make a statement, they repeat that line of asking yourself some question(s) or other, and then if you are in doubt, stop playing that way because it might be naughty. I guess that's what bothers me, along with the absolute punishment.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 06:28 PM

View PostLucas Ashrock, on 08 January 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

You're talking about serious companies with a serious staff who don't release constant junkpatches online not tested, leaving the community as tester and permabanning anyone using anomalies not even being aware of it ;)
Big difference between a serious mmo and this junk
Agreed,

Cant believe people are defending this deeds from Anet.

its RIDICULOUS!

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:07 PM

View PostTrei, on 08 January 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

In the meantime, should anyone with any common sense, wisdom and ethics have continued doing what could well turn out to be an exploit again and again and again?
But they didn't ban for the HotW exploit, which was just as recent, and an obvious exploit.

It seems like a very selective use of the ban hammer, which means it's open to the personal opinions of the developer, and the most identifiable reason for the ban seems to be that proceeds from this bugged recipe would have reduced the price of ectos.

If they're that concerned about the price of ectos, then they're totally out of touch with what gamers are interested in, not withstanding those depraved fanboys who enjoy watching others suffer.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

View PostReMarkable91, on 08 January 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

My intention was trying to make money yeah is that like a bad thing? And why I did it over a hundreds times? Well after 10 salvages I figured it could have either been an 10 G proffit in 100 salvages or an 10 G loss. But just wanted to test it out or something , wanted to know the avarage glob u get from exotics(1.2 not that much higher then rares). Beside there was no reason to think what I was doing is an exploit what is my main point. Orichalcum price stayed the same and same for the snowflake and no obvious huge proffit. If you compare it to the mithril version they could have seen 2 S for mithril and 30 S for a snowflake is wrong. And it was clear for them in 10 crafts that in 100 crafts they would either get 25 G or 100 G proffit wich could had ring there bell. Nothing like in my story.

And since we are making stupid real life examples to proof our point , this is like a gang of super bad ass gangsters where in the park shooting inocent people. I was there with my fake toygun as an kid having fun saying pow pow , and ended up getting arrested because hey I could have also been an gangster with the intention to kill people... I had no idea guns could actualy hurt people =( Why do I get the same fcking punnishment and judgement as the real "crimminals".

Honestly, I'm surprised it took you since the ban to admit you tried to exploit for profit. I'm also surprised you STILL have no idea why you got banned for it. Now go complete my surprise and actually succeed in becoming the ArenaNet Customer Support representative to get your account unbanned.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:03 PM

View PostDarkobra, on 08 January 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

Honestly, I'm surprised it took you since the ban to admit you tried to exploit for profit. I'm also surprised you STILL have no idea why you got banned for it. Now go complete my surprise and actually succeed in becoming the ArenaNet Customer Support representative to get your account unbanned.

I never said I didn't do it to try to make a little proffit. I just said since beginning it is fcking bullsh1t they expect from players to see my recipe as exploiting. For the 3 simple reasons i said like 50 times in this topic now.
1. No proffit
2. No ecomy changes in the used items.
3. Crafting with as only goal salvaging itself is legal.
How is crafting an item that cost 1 glob + items worth 1 glob and getting chance to get ur glob back and 1 glob on avarage back any different then making an item that gets u 1 glob on avarage?

And since you asked allready mailed arenanet for an internship placement but was planning on that way before the ban.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:34 PM

just because you got unlucky on the profit end of it does not make it NOT an exploit.  You had also posted that if you had noticed it could be abused that you may have...

1) reported it. (yeah, sure)
2) abuse the piss outta it (seems way more likely, as your entire goal here was to profit)

The mere fact that you have already admitted that you MAY have abused it tells me everything I need to know about your particular circumstance.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:37 AM

View PostMillimidget, on 08 January 2013 - 09:07 PM, said:

But they didn't ban for the HotW exploit, which was just as recent, and an obvious exploit....
To me, that's besides the point.

It should never have come to asking oneself "could it a bannable exploit?".
Why... is it then okay to proceed with certain kinds of exploits if they've been known to be not bannable?
There aren't any different kinds of exploits - either you exploited or you did not.

The term "exploit" itself refers to intentional taking advantage of a situation (in games, usually a bug) for one's own gain, usually unethical and unjustifiable.

It does not refer to the bug itself; causing this same bug to happen once does not make one an "exploiter", nor does it make the bug the exploit.

Whether one does get banned for exploiting depends on how much one abused any bug with no regards to consequences.
It matters not one single bit what the nature of each specific bug is.

Our actions determine whether we are exploiting or not.

Edited by Trei, 09 January 2013 - 01:00 AM.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:00 AM

My recent post on this thread was being criticized heavily for being rather defensive towards devs on this case (even though it wasn't my intention). I would just like to point out that I agree that there should have been more testing prior launching this content because that would have fixed this issue even before it had any chance of occuring. In addition to letting this bug into the game there were other issues with how this case was being handled. However, I still can't agree that players aren't to blame at all (like some players have pointed out), merely because all posts that I've seen suggest that the times they took advantage of this bug was quite high. Of course there's the question whether players should be responsible for being forced to judge whether something is working as intended or not.

Naturally anyone is free to disagree with my opinions and there's nothing wrong with that. Hopefully this issue gets either better explained or solved some other way :)

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:35 AM

View Postraspberry jam, on 08 January 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

But there were no rules. I never heard of a ban for doing Augury Rock at low level, but I don't doubt your word.

I remember reading an interview from long ago (2006 or so) when some dev said that Droks runs were something that really took the devs by surprise (which I partially doubt since Lornar's Pass seemingly only exists for that purpose), but that they were happy to see it, and viewed it as a piece of great player ingenuity instead of as an exploit, even though it partially was. How times have changed, huh? I can only begin to imagine the waves of bans that would happen if the equivalent of Droks runs would happen in GW2.

Oh how I hated that Droks run exploit for low level players. As long as you could PAY you could get high level elite skills and lvl 20 armor and totally bypass 1/2 of the game and the medium armor upgrades between Yaks bend and Droks. I never liked that they allowed that either as that's not "Adventuring" that's just plain outright playing the MECHANICS of the game to exploit and bypass the content and get great benefits from it and get AHEAD of others while those that played the game CORRECTLY had to take a much longer and ADVENTEROUS route to get there.

The exploit? The fact that you could just stand outside Beacon's Perch while one person ran the gauntlet and then when he ZONE YOU ZONED with him. That's just not right and should never happen in any type of RPG game of ADVENTURE. That's like playing Curse of the Azure Bonds and going from the starting scenes to practially the last battle. Just ain't right and should never be allowed. The only way you should be able to zone from one zone to another is DOING IT YOURSELF.

Now if there ever was a reason to BAN some players the run from Beacons Perch to Droks was it. But, THEY allowed this kind of crap and it ruined the middle game economy. Luckily in Factions they attempted to fix this running crap by making you have to have KEYS haha I was soooo elated because of that. Then in Nightfall they took the keys away and a level 1 or 2 could get to the docks to get level 20 armor again. lmao At least the ELITE skills were miles away but still they practically eliminated the need for medium level armor. Even in Factions you could get to HIGH level armor pretty quickly but you still had to UNLOCK the sections with KEYS haha. ;)

Oh and as far as the banning issues at hand for the exploit in GW2, Anet is as much to blame as the xploiters. Hell it's like they blew the HOLE in their bank wall themselves and then want to ban everybody that came pouring in. Taking the stuff away and/or rolling back ALL their characters as punishment would have been sufficient, but, banning every single one of them permanently for something ANET CAUSED? nope no way unfair unjust and as I said before just another way for them to make more money.

Edited by Red Sonya, 09 January 2013 - 03:39 AM.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:46 AM

View PostReMarkable91, on 08 January 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

And since we are making stupid real life examples to proof our point , this is like a gang of super bad ass gangsters where in the park shooting inocent people. I was there with my fake toygun as an kid having fun saying pow pow , and ended up getting arrested because hey I could have also been an gangster with the intention to kill people... I had no idea guns could actualy hurt people =( Why do I get the same fcking punnishment and judgement as the real "crimminals".
You wouldn't, because in your case you actually did not reasonably act on your intentions.
If you had, you wouldn't have been holding a fake gun.

You would have been held just as accountable if you did have a real gun, even if you either was just a terrible shot and hit no one, or you had a defective weapon that couldn't fire etc.
You would actually acted on your intentions but the difference is... you failed.

View PostRed Sonya, on 09 January 2013 - 03:35 AM, said:

but, banning every single one of them permanently for something ANET CAUSED? nope no way unfair unjust and as I said before just another way for them to make more money.
How do you know its every single one?
Or even a majority of them?
Do you even know how many got permabanned out of the total number of players who used the bug?

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:48 AM

View PostTrei, on 09 January 2013 - 03:46 AM, said:

You wouldn't, because in your case you actually did not reasonably act on your intentions.
If you had, you wouldn't have been holding a fake gun.

You would have been held just as accountable if you did have a real gun, even if you either was just a terrible shot and hit no one, or you had a defective weapon that couldn't fire etc.
You would actually acted on your intentions but the difference is... you failed.


How do you know its every single one?
Or even a majority of them?
Do you even know how many got permabanned out of the total number of players who used the bug?

Yeah it was reported 200 of them.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:55 AM

View PostRed Sonya, on 09 January 2013 - 03:48 AM, said:

Yeah it was reported 200 of them.
So you think only 200 players across the entire game population tried to exploit the bug... ?

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:58 AM

Karma weapons- no bans. People were forgiven. Plenty of people kept their loot.
CoF path 2, Magg room glitches so that no one needed to do the room- No bans. ANet fixed the dungeon after 3 weeks.
CoF path 2, 4 chest exploit where you could get all three boss chests and the last chest twice- No bans. ANet fixed the dungeon after 2 weeks.
CoF path 2, boss room exploit where you could jump over the wall and do the room- No bans. ANet fixed the dungeon after 2 weeks.
HotW wall jump dungeon glitch where you killed all 3 bosses and got all three chests with no risk- No bans. ANet fixed the dungeon ANet fixed the dungeon after 3 months...
Winter's Day recipe comes out where salvaging gets crafters a chance to get ecto and gem back. Market corrects for it in 2 days, most people make more money farming CoF path 1 so they decide to stop doing it. Week and a half later ANet patches the recipe. 3 weeks after that players are banned.

MAKES SENSE GAIZ

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:59 AM

View PostI, on 09 January 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

Karma weapons- no bans. People were forgiven. Plenty of people kept their loot.
CoF path 2, Magg room glitches so that no one needed to do the room- No bans. ANet fixed the dungeon after 3 weeks.
CoF path 2, 4 chest exploit where you could get all three boss chests and the last chest twice- No bans. ANet fixed the dungeon after 2 weeks.
CoF path 2, boss room exploit where you could jump over the wall and do the room- No bans. ANet fixed the dungeon after 2 weeks.
HotW wall jump dungeon glitch where you killed all 3 bosses and got all three chests with no risk- No bans. ANet fixed the dungeon ANet fixed the dungeon after 3 months...
Winter's Day recipe comes out where salvaging gets crafters a chance to get ecto and gem back. Market corrects for it in 2 days, most people make more money farming CoF path 1 so they decide to stop doing it. Week and a half later ANet patches the recipe. 3 weeks after that players are banned.

MAKES SENSE GAIZ
Other than the karma weapons debacle at the very beginning of the game, which of the exploitable bugs you mentioned allow an individual player to sit at a corner requiring no  assistance from anyone and churn out items continuously?



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Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:21 AM

View PostI, on 09 January 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

Spoiler

They do take time to process bans. An ideal and enforcement of a rule are two very different things. I've lost count of how many times one car is picked out of a pack of speeders by police to pull over. Inconsistency is also a tool in enforcement, you might get away or you might get the utmost penalty, are you willing to make that gamble?

The general concensus is that those that exploit actively seek to do so, handing out those bans is a warning to cease attempting to exploit the singular global economy of the game.  The economy is a pretty big deal in terms of sustainability for a game. There will be more instances like this in the future and we know their criteria quite clearly, these aren't even questionable things, especially when done hundreds or thousands of times. If you don't want the punishment don't get caught.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:54 AM

I guess that sometimes not paying attention to forums is worth it since I had no idea about this recipe before the very end of the Wintersday event. At first I thought that the bans were justified, but having read more about it, I no longer think so.

I am wondering how did using that recipe differ from using other recipes to get ectos. When I was crafting the gift of fortune for my twilight, I used lots of t5 materials to create rare weapons which I could then salvage for ectos. With the blacklion kits that I had, I ended up making more ectos than I would have got if I used the money to buy them. With master salvage kits the amount was pretty much the same. I did hundreds of ectos this way and I just don't see why this wintersday recipe was any better or any more like an exploit than the common craft recipes. Had I known about this, I would most likely have done it. We can't possibly know what Arenanet's intentions are, so I would have had no idea that the recipe was bugged. Arenanet has done weird things that have affected the economy before (the karka event, unidentified dye drop rate nerfs, raising gem prices with offers and events...) so who knows if they wanted to drive down the prices of ectos by this recipe. We can't know, since they rarely tell about their intentions beforehand.

Bottom line: I feel for you, banned players, who didn't realize that the recipe was bugged (and I argue that this portion is a majority). Even if the recipe had been fixed, this money making method wouldn't have lasted since ecto price or the pristine snowflake price would have gone down/up anyways. I don't see this as "printing money" like some gaming site called it.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:41 AM

View PostDosearius, on 08 January 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

just because you got unlucky on the profit end of it does not make it NOT an exploit. You had also posted that if you had noticed it could be abused that you may have...

1) reported it. (yeah, sure)
2) abuse the piss outta it (seems way more likely, as your entire goal here was to profit)

The mere fact that you have already admitted that you MAY have abused it tells me everything I need to know about your particular circumstance.

Do you even know there are 2 recipes ? 1 that needed Orichalcum and even in the current ecomy with lower orichalcum price then during "exploiting" and higher Glob price would have probaly barely made if any proffit. It is not unluck I didn't make any proffit it was the recipe (so called exploit that would give me advantage yeah sure).

And an mithril version that on an avarage 100 crafts and salvages made either 10 G proffit if unlucky or 50 G proffit if lucky.

View PostTrei, on 09 January 2013 - 03:46 AM, said:

You wouldn't, because in your case you actually did not reasonably act on your intentions.
If you had, you wouldn't have been holding a fake gun.

You would have been held just as accountable if you did have a real gun, even if you either was just a terrible shot and hit no one, or you had a defective weapon that couldn't fire etc.
You would actually acted on your intentions but the difference is... you failed.

You still don't understand that my gun(recipe version) could never harm any1 , therefor not making my aim bad or gun defective(having bad luck) but making my gun a toy version of the gun the harmed people.

So even if we would say my itentions were to kill people with my toy gun because it is in my system as a kid to have fantasy(or in the real version as an explorer of finding ways to make money ingame).
My gun was a toy(my recipe was not harmfull) so why should I be punnished the same as the guys with a real gun and shot real people(fcked up the ingame ecomy for a few days).
O yeah and before you come up with fake guns are also forbidden(Crafting stuff to salvage to make proffit) it is'n't ;)

And since some people keep saying omg you made 0-4 globs with 1 glob that is so different then making 0-3 globs with 0 globs. Every rare(and some exotics) recipes in jewelcrafting requires 3 globs and could in fact still give 4 globs back. OMG DELETE THAT RECIPE MEN!!

And let's now go to what if version :
What if the brainiacs at ANet would in stead forgot to change1 into 3/5 but forgot to add globs in the recipe. Then the mithril version would have given even more proffit!!! But not banable no because you did not use a glob in the recipe!!!??

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:02 AM

View PostReMarkable91, on 09 January 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

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Does it matter which recipe you chose?
Despite the fact that you apparently chose the "wrong" recipe, you intended to abuse the bug.
You failing to make a profit does not change the fact that you clearly tried to take advantage of the recipe.

Not only that, you even want to justify it by claiming you thought it was Anet's intention to create such a recipe to balance the market?
Seriously...


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:12 AM

So there were actually people out there who wanted to abuse snowflake gate but were too dumb to pull it off by picking the wrong recipe of the two?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Made my day.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:19 AM

View PostReMarkable91, on 09 January 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

Do you even know there are 2 recipes ? 1 that needed Orichalcum and even in the current ecomy with lower orichalcum price then during "exploiting" and higher Glob price would have probaly barely made if any proffit. It is not unluck I didn't make any proffit it was the recipe (so called exploit that would give me advantage yeah sure).

And an mithril version that on an avarage 100 crafts and salvages made either 10 G proffit if unlucky or 50 G proffit if lucky.

blah, blah, blah....yes, I DO know, we all do as we've had to listen to your drivel for several pages now.  You can try to polish up a piece of turd a hundred different ways, but at the end of the day, it's still a piece of turd.  Keep selling your story though, it's gotten to be fun watching you squirm over it.




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