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#1 OneMoreLevel

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:22 AM

Hi all, thanks for the advice in the other thread, i finally got to 80, and I've been running axe/axe, I tried GS, but didn't really like the feel of it. So far, I have 2 rare krait battle axes equipped with ruby crystals.

For my armor I just bought some level 80 masterwork gear for no more than 2 silver a piece and some change, right now I'm leaning toward half knight/half berserk er.(to get my critical and toughness up) I also bought some masterwork trinkets that mainly add to +power, +toughness, +precision. I don't have much vit though, I don't know if that will be an issue.

I've been looking into running AC dungeon so I can get tokens for exotic gear, but I have yet to do any. >_>

I have about 7 gold 80s right now, and I'm still working up my armor crafting. I've been wondering if I should upgrade my armor to rare from the TP, most pieces seem to be 28-35s each, I can afford it, but was wondering if it would be worth the 2g+ cost?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:29 AM

mmm, so your eplanign to get... green gear at lv 80 for frustratin your party doing dungeons cause you wont be able to stand a fight???
i think the best you can do is get the exotic lv 78 gear that is way better than the yellow lv 80, ans YES please at least use yellow gear -.-''.

A side note: WTF have you been doing with your $ from 1-80? ive x4 chars lv 80 and when i reach lv 80 ve arround 15/20Gold

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:43 AM

View PostIzokka, on 04 January 2013 - 06:29 AM, said:

mmm, so your eplanign to get... green gear at lv 80 for frustratin your party doing dungeons cause you wont be able to stand a fight???
i think the best you can do is get the exotic lv 78 gear that is way better than the yellow lv 80, ans YES please at least use yellow gear -.-''.

A side note: WTF have you been doing with your $ from 1-80? ive x4 chars lv 80 and when i reach lv 80 ve arround 15/20Gold

Nothing that I'm aware of, I never bought anything over a 99 copper until now. (besides my trait books, and the cost of waypoints)

Also, where can I get this level 78 exotic gear? Are they items on the TP?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:57 AM

Yes, you can use the filter to look for lv 78 exotic gear, although they probably will cost about a gold each to buy.

I highly recommend buying at the very minimum Rare armor to do dungeons with (Try Ascalonian Catacombs or Honor of the Waves path 1, both are relatively easy) , and upgrading to Exotic from dungeons asap.

The difference between masterwork and exotic is incredibly noticeable.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:08 AM

View PostIzokka, on 04 January 2013 - 06:29 AM, said:

mmm, so your eplanign to get... green gear at lv 80 for frustratin your party doing dungeons cause you wont be able to stand a fight???...
The dungeon the OP mentioned is tuned to lvl 35, a lvl range where masterwork is the highest quality tier available.

Is there a problem with a lvl 80 in green gear in that dungeon?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:26 AM

View PostTrei, on 04 January 2013 - 07:08 AM, said:

The dungeon the OP mentioned is tuned to lvl 35, a lvl range where masterwork is the highest quality tier available.

Is there a problem with a lvl 80 in green gear in that dungeon?

Indeed, there is no problem, in fact there is no problem running any of the dungeons in non exotic gear.  People that demand it for groups; A.  Have no real understanding of how easy this game is, and B.  Probably want carrying through them, hence, demanding top tier gear for all the party.

In truth a team of decent players, all in green gear, can, and do, complete the dungeons in this game rather frequently.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 02:37 PM

View PostMinu, on 04 January 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

Indeed, there is no problem, in fact there is no problem running any of the dungeons in non exotic gear.  People that demand it for groups; A.  Have no real understanding of how easy this game is, and B.  Probably want carrying through them, hence, demanding top tier gear for all the party.

In truth a team of decent players, all in green gear, can, and do, complete the dungeons in this game rather frequently.

ohh yes, go COE, Citadel of flame, Caudecus manor and the Dredge dungeon with green and see how the PWown you in every fight.

just don tlisten him, the best armor you can get with a smalll budgetis the lv 78 exotic in the bazar (and have nice look :) ).

in the meantime try to go ascalon for gold and tokens, (even if you wont like the power, vit, tough form the cave (its the only worthing for a warr) but youll get decent $

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 02:48 PM

View PostIzokka, on 04 January 2013 - 06:29 AM, said:

mmm, so your eplanign to get... green gear at lv 80 for frustratin your party doing dungeons cause you wont be able to stand a fight???
i think the best you can do is get the exotic lv 78 gear that is way better than the yellow lv 80, ans YES please at least use yellow gear -.-''.

A side note: WTF have you been doing with your $ from 1-80? ive x4 chars lv 80 and when i reach lv 80 ve arround 15/20Gold

If your team needs rare/exo armor than they're just bad players.
I completed AC explorer with full lvl35-40 people with fine/masterwork armor, people are just bad if they need lvl80 with rares+..

View PostIzokka, on 04 January 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

in the meantime try to go ascalon for gold and tokens, (even if you wont like the power, vit, tough form the cave (its the only worthing for a warr) but youll get decent $

What are you even saying??
Pow/Vit/Tough being only thing worthy for a war?? Wut??

I'm glad with my full zerker CoF set thanks, if you're only a half decent player you don't 3200+ armor..

View PostTrei, on 04 January 2013 - 07:08 AM, said:

The dungeon the OP mentioned is tuned to lvl 35, a lvl range where masterwork is the highest quality tier available.

Is there a problem with a lvl 80 in green gear in that dungeon?

There are rare lvl35 armor (cultural and crafted) so we could discuss that but I agree with you that all the "need exotics" is total bullshit.

View PostOneMoreLevel, on 04 January 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

Hi all, thanks for the advice in the other thread, i finally got to 80, and I've been running axe/axe, I tried GS, but didn't really like the feel of it. So far, I have 2 rare krait battle axes equipped with ruby crystals.

For my armor I just bought some level 80 masterwork gear for no more than 2 silver a piece and some change, right now I'm leaning toward half knight/half berserk er.(to get my critical and toughness up) I also bought some masterwork trinkets that mainly add to +power, +toughness, +precision. I don't have much vit though, I don't know if that will be an issue.

I've been looking into running AC dungeon so I can get tokens for exotic gear, but I have yet to do any. >_>

I have about 7 gold 80s right now, and I'm still working up my armor crafting. I've been wondering if I should upgrade my armor to rare from the TP, most pieces seem to be 28-35s each, I can afford it, but was wondering if it would be worth the 2g+ cost?

My adive would be to try dungeons.
Which one depends on what armor you want:
AC has the most defensive armor in game (Vitality +Tougness) so if you want that, farm that one.
CoF has the most offensive armor in the game (Pow/Prec/Crit dmg).
Both of these are extremely easy and farmed daily by lots of players.

You don't need to buy armor for starting them, but as soon as you have enough tokens I would advice of buying armor pieces.
Jewels can be quite expensive (exo: 2,5 gold/piece, rare: 1 gold/piece) so you might want to start buying masterwork ones.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 02:49 PM

View PostIzokka, on 04 January 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

ohh yes, go COE, Citadel of flame, Caudecus manor and the Dredge dungeon with green and see how the PWown you in every fight.

just don tlisten him, the best armor you can get with a smalll budgetis the lv 78 exotic in the bazar (and have nice look :) ).

in the meantime try to go ascalon for gold and tokens, (even if you wont like the power, vit, tough form the cave (its the only worthing for a warr) but youll get decent $
Didn't see any of those dungeons mentioned in the OP's post.
Your suggestions getting better gear are indeed good ones, don't get me wrong.

However, my issue with your first post was in the way you seemed to imply that it is in fact wrong to even attempt any dungeon with just masterwork gear.

It isn't.

View PostGilles VI, on 04 January 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

There are rare lvl35 armor (cultural and crafted) so we could discuss that but I agree with you that all the "need exotics" is total bullshit.
Oh... my bad.

Edited by Trei, 04 January 2013 - 02:50 PM.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:04 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 04 January 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

Cond/Vit/Prec would be beter suited for a warrior imo. Vit/Tough is only for a guardian suited.
There is no armour with only vitality and toughness.

Either way, knights combined with berserkers remain the overall best armour a warrior has. It has neither vitality or condition damage.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:14 PM

1. Yes, upgrade your gear to Rare. It is pretty cheap and a significant upgrade.

2. Trying to gear up with dungeon tokens will be tough. I would recommend other ways for your exotics...

   Exotic gear can be purchased for roughly 2 gold each on the trading post.

   Exotic gear can be purchased for 42K Karma each at the Karma merchants in Marchutan's Leap and Cursed Shore.


   Right now, it may seem like a lot of money and Karma, but at level 80 you make lots of gold and Karma just playing normally...unlike 1-79.

   I would suggest that you run events in Marchutan's and Cursed Shore, make lots of gold and Karma, and gear up. You should easily be able to get 2 pieces a day, not considering what set of runes you want.

  You might even consider upgrading to Rare gear with Magic Find in it, to increase your profits while farming Karma and Gold. That way, even after you get your exotics, you'll still have a set of MF gear that will always be useful to you when farming....so you are not "wasting money".

Edited by Vihar, 04 January 2013 - 04:16 PM.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:19 PM

View PostVihar, on 04 January 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

1. Yes, upgrade your gear to Rare. It is pretty cheap and a significant upgrade.

2. Trying to gear up with dungeon tokens will be tough. I would recommend other ways for your exotics...

   Exotic gear can be purchased for roughly 2 gold each on the trading post.

   Exotic gear can be purchased for 42K Karma each at the Karma merchants in Marchutan's Leap and Cursed Shore.


   Right now, it may seem like a lot of money and Karma, but at level 80 you make lots of gold and Karma just playing normally...unlike 1-79.

   I would suggest that you run events in Marchutan's and Cursed Shore, make lots of gold and Karma, and gear up. You should easily be able to get 2 pieces a day, not considering what set of runes you want.

  You might even consider upgrading to Rare gear with Magic Find in it, to increase your profits while farming Karma and Gold. That way, even after you get your exotics, you'll still have a set of MF gear that will always be useful to you when farming....so you are not "wasting money".
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:28 PM

View Postdawdler, on 04 January 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

There is no armour with only vitality and toughness.

Either way, knights combined with berserkers remain the overall best armour a warrior has. It has neither vitality or condition damage.

I know.. Was only stating the soldier set (Pow/Vit/Tough) is way to defensive for war..

View PostVihar, on 04 January 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

2. Trying to gear up with dungeon tokens will be tough. I would recommend other ways for your exotics...

Full AC set would take him 1 week if he played ~1h day.
CoF set would take him 10 days if he plays ~30 mins per day.

Please tell me how hard that is, and how farming karma is faster.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:35 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 04 January 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

I know.. Was only stating the soldier set (Pow/Vit/Tough) is way to defensive for war..



Full AC set would take him 1 week if he played ~1h day.
CoF set would take him 10 days if he plays ~30 mins per day.

Please tell me how hard that is, and how farming karma is faster.

A week to 10 days?

  My way would take 4-6 days, tops, and with a LOT less dieing and repairs involved, and a lot more options for stat combinations. I know, I've done it with 3 toons, already.

  There is no reason whatsoever to prefer dungeon gear outside of aesthetic value....and that is a lot easier if you start running dungeons already geared up.

Edited by Vihar, 04 January 2013 - 04:36 PM.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:43 PM

View PostVihar, on 04 January 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

A week to 10 days?

  My way would take 4-6 days, tops, and with a LOT less dieing and repairs involved, and a lot more options for stat combinations. I know, I've done it with 3 toons, already.

  There is no reason whatsoever to prefer dungeon gear outside of aesthetic value....and that is a lot easier if you start running dungeons already geared up.

Your way involes spending money, while my way involves getting the armor + getting lots of cash in the process.
Not to mention if he wants berserker/knight armor he'll be spending quite alot more than 2g/piece, while CoF for example also offers that set.

That aside, doing dungeons doesn't imply dying, if you connect the two you're just a bad player.
Not to mention doing DE's in Orr has been nerfed in the ground, very few people still do it and it simply is brain killing boring.

And your way means much more hours in total played.
For AC set he would need to play ~7-8 hours in total, while CoF set would take him ~6 hours in total.
Now tell me how he can afford full berserket set within 7-8 hours by grinding in Orr?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

Buy boots/gloves/helm/shoulders from dungeon

Chest and legs from tp

I'd have suggested you do AC to level up, but ehh. I did it on all my warriors and was able to get a set of full exotics by the time I was level 80.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:50 PM

Oh, right.

  So, the guys tries to do dungeons, which he hasn't run before, wearing greens and yellows, with a group of people like you, and you start calling him a bad player when his greens and yellows don't measure up to your full exotics.

  One more reason to do it my way.

   I'm not saying he can't run dungeons to gear up. He can.

   But without gear, and if he is going to be running with PUGs rather than experienced guildmates, then your suggestion is not the best way.

  If he has experienced guildmates to run with, then dungeons would be fine.

   Bottom line is that the dungeon gear is no better than any other, and there are lots more options for gear he can pursue.

   ...and if you ARE going to gear up via dungeons, CoF is the easiest and quickest, so I would go with that.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:22 PM

The most convenient way to gear up a Warriour is usually doing dungeons. Dungeons gives you 60-66 tokens per route and you can do up to three different routes in each dungeon at day without falling in a diminishing returns.

   Once you finish a dungeon, you will pretty much have earns on currency, items to trade for even more currency or to wear and the most important part: the tokens. The most expensive single objects to trade for with tokens are 2 handed weapons (390 tokens) which means that in 6-7 runs you will be able to get them. Armor pieces are a bit more cheap each one.

   Each dungeon gear vendor has 3 different combinations of attributes, while keeping the same runes (replaceables). The three most usefull combos of attributes in armors for Warriors are Knights (Tho/Pot/Prec) Berserker (Pot/Prec/cr dmg) and Soldier (Pot/Vit/Tho). You can also buy the Soldier lvl 80 exotic armor for chest, legs, gauntlets and shoulders in the form of the Auora set in the Verdant Temple -mind that helm and boots have different stats- for 42000 karma each one.

   Due some dungeons are easier/faster than others and not every path is the same most of players grind specific routes. If you want to get berserker's gear the Citadel Of Flame path 1 is the most popular, but that set is also available at Sorrow's Embrace and Arah. Knights is available in Ascalaon Catacombs and Sorrow's Embrace, and Knights at Sorrow's and Honor of the Waves (also in others, If I remember correctly).

   So the thing is: choose the kind of gear you want to get, take 2 dungeons which tokens granted you the desired stats at do the runs in alternate days using the most viable paths in order to speed up the proccess... In a couple of weeks -doing 2 paths at day in only one dungeon- you will have the entire armor set and a good amount of gold.

   The alternative is to buy/craft those items, but it will make you spent a similar amount of time and erode your resources instead of enhancing your earns.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:55 PM

Berserker's is also available from Crucible of Eternity(CoE) which has the advantage of dropping charged cores worth 1.5g each on the TP.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:12 PM

View PostZerikin Loukbel, on 04 January 2013 - 05:55 PM, said:

Berserker's is also available from Crucible of Eternity(CoE) which has the advantage of dropping charged cores worth 1.5g each on the TP.

But I wouldn't recommend that one ta new lvl80 player. ^^

View PostVihar, on 04 January 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

Oh, right.

  So, the guys tries to do dungeons, which he hasn't run before, wearing greens and yellows, with a group of people like you, and you start calling him a bad player when his greens and yellows don't measure up to your full exotics.

  One more reason to do it my way.

   I'm not saying he can't run dungeons to gear up. He can.

   But without gear, and if he is going to be running with PUGs rather than experienced guildmates, then your suggestion is not the best way.

  If he has experienced guildmates to run with, then dungeons would be fine.

   Bottom line is that the dungeon gear is no better than any other, and there are lots more options for gear he can pursue.

   ...and if you ARE going to gear up via dungeons, CoF is the easiest and quickest, so I would go with that.

Why do you directly think I'm one of the elitist people?
I couldn't care less if people in my team got exotic gear or not.
Most of the time those elitist people are the ones that make you want to punch your monitor if something goes wrong.
While normal people listen to you if you explain something, try to get better,...

And yes my suggestion is the best way.
It's much faster, easier, more fun, you make gold instead of spending it, you get better loot, you play together with people,...
Farming Orr is one of the most boring things to do in the game. I think I did it 1,5h in my total 700h and I was already sick of it.

And I never said dungeon gear is better, only much easier to obtain, and some sets (soldier set) is only obtainable via dungeons, so that might qualify as dungeon armor being better. :)

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:28 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 04 January 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

Why do you directly think I'm one of the elitist people?


View PostGilles VI, on 04 January 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

That aside, doing dungeons doesn't imply dying, if you connect the two you're just a bad player.

My interpretation was that  a player in greens and yellows is just going to die a number of times in dungeons.

My interpretation of your post was that a player that dies in a dungeon is bad, regardless of gear.

An experienced player in an experienced group could probably do just fine with green gear.

For an inexperienced player, not familiar with the dungeon,in a PUG, in green gear, my money is on plenty of deaths and repairs for that player.

That would not make the player "bad" in my book.

   Dungeons are not about skill, they're just learning the mechanics.

  I may be one of the worst PVE players in the world, and I died a lot in several dungeons.

  Then I just watched a couple of youtube videos, and all of a sudden they were a breeze, and I suck at PVE.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:31 PM

View PostIzokka, on 04 January 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

BS BS BS BS....

WHEN I SAYD THE SOLDIER IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WOTHS FOR A WARRIOR . I MEANT FROM THE FKING AC, OR WOULD YOU SUGEST USING THE HEALING POWER, PRESICION, VIT? OR THE CONTITION VIT PRESICION?

ILL JUST QUIT THIS POST... SO MUCH NONSENSE HERE.

Probably best you quit, you do talk garbage afterall.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:32 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 04 January 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

And I never said dungeon gear is better, only much easier to obtain, and some sets (soldier set) is only obtainable via dungeons, so that might qualify as dungeon armor being better. :)
I could be wrong, but if I remember correctly you can actually get soldier sets in WvW as well for tokens, although it would probably take ages.

Edited by Yski, 04 January 2013 - 06:32 PM.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:43 PM

View PostZerikin Loukbel, on 04 January 2013 - 05:55 PM, said:

Berserker's is also available from Crucible of Eternity(CoE) which has the advantage of dropping charged cores worth 1.5g each on the TP.

   True, also the weapon set and some of the pieces of the heavy armor are some of the best looking items of the game -I mind using the chest plate, shoulders and greatsword as the ultimate skins for my Warrior (after transmuting the stats)-..

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:36 PM

View PostYski, on 04 January 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:

I could be wrong, but if I remember correctly you can actually get soldier sets in WvW as well for tokens, although it would probably take ages.

Yes but badges are quite a bit harder to get than gold or dungeon tokens. :)

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:53 PM

Get rare armor with masterwork trinkets, and use that to farm dungeon tokens.
By the time you've farmed enough tokens to get a full set of dungeon armor/weapons, you'll have enough money to buy exotic trinkets + upgrades and runes for the rest.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:49 PM

Thank you all, I'll probably try to get into AC or CM when someone in my guild starts a story mode run, but in the mean time, I've been messing around on cursed shore.

I have around 135k karma, should I buy 3 pieces of exotic karma armor, or is there something else I should be saving it for? The karma armor would probably be just until I have the armor I'm aiming to get, since it doesn't have the stats I want, and I can easily buy the other 3 pieces of rare, can also switch up my trinkets to make up for the stats I lost.




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