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[dondarrion]

Seriously, it's not an exploit turning karma gear into new stuff in the mystic forge and then salvaging/selling whatever you get out.
First of all, you deplete your karma pool buying the gear and you don't get it back (unless you play the game more).
Second, you turn 4 items into 1, and it may or may not be of better quality. Then again you need special salvage kit to increase the success rate of even getting rare components from that rare item.
So eventually you run out of items to perform this operation and rather quickly too. An exploit would be if you somehow manage to keep going because some crucial component got returned to you that made it indefinitely rewarding. But now it's like you trade, say, 4-8 hours of time spent playing the game into 40-80 silver (e.g. 1-2 ectos if you're lucky).
You probably even made more money just playing the game in those 4-8 hours you racked up your karma points.

[Lucas Ashrock]

K try this. Write some reddit post and a post on main forum explaining the gain, the loss, some math, a video guide about this stuff, and how much money you make. Make it a bit widespread, showing the real gain. Look what happens.
A: removal from the game, making those greens permanently soulbound without any form of reconversion profitable
B a mass ban

If the gain is good, B is coming. If just a bit, it's A. Karma to ectos? nah. Karma is a currency gained for free doing some ingame activity, not a real form of karma to cash. Cannot be allowed, it's not.
Wanna try?

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 07 January 2013 - 07:49 AM.

[Trei]

It would be hilarious if one day someone drops any 4 karma items into the mystic forge only to have the genie throw back out 1 standard account bound 0 value grey item with the flavor text:

"Ohhh ho no you don't"

Edited by Trei, 07 January 2013 - 08:13 AM.

[Lucas Ashrock]

A nasty zommoros huh?

[Astral Projections]

Trei, on 07 January 2013 - 08:12 AM, said:

It would be hilarious if one day someone drops any 4 karma items into the mystic forge only to have the genie throw back out 1 standard account bound 0 value grey item with the flavor text:

"Ohhh ho no you don't"

Something like that would actually be rather funny. Or have it so when they decide you are exploiting they put in a code so that the next time you merch, the vender NPC removes 2 times the amount of money you made from the exploit from your account. With a message like "Sorry, I had to fine you for exploiting. Have a nice day."

[Trei]

Astral Projections, on 07 January 2013 - 10:38 PM, said:

Something like that would actually be rather funny. Or have it so when they decide you are exploiting they put in a code so that the next time you merch, the vender NPC removes 2 times the amount of money you made from the exploit from your account. With a message like "Sorry, I had to fine you for exploiting. Have a nice day."

Oh that wouldn't work as intentional players could just make use of an alternate account with minimum gold to do the transactions, there would be nothing for the fine to deduct.

[Eon Lilu]

dondarrion, on 07 January 2013 - 07:37 AM, said:

Seriously, it's not an exploit turning karma gear into new stuff in the mystic forge and then salvaging/selling whatever you get out.
First of all, you deplete your karma pool buying the gear and you don't get it back (unless you play the game more).
Second, you turn 4 items into 1, and it may or may not be of better quality. Then again you need special salvage kit to increase the success rate of even getting rare components from that rare item.
So eventually you run out of items to perform this operation and rather quickly too. An exploit would be if you somehow manage to keep going because some crucial component got returned to you that made it indefinitely rewarding. But now it's like you trade, say, 4-8 hours of time spent playing the game into 40-80 silver (e.g. 1-2 ectos if you're lucky).
You probably even made more money just playing the game in those 4-8 hours you racked up your karma points.

It is an exploit, some players got banned for turning karma breathing masks into rares using mystic forge. Anything that turns karma into gold = exploit.

Edited by Eon Lilu, 08 January 2013 - 02:57 AM.

[Trei]

Eon Lilu, on 08 January 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

It is an exploit, some players got banned for turning karma breathing masks into rares using mystic forge. Anything that turns karma into gold = exploit.

What If I use only three karma pieces? Or one?

What is the purpose of allowing the mystic forge to even accept karma bought items in the first place?
Entrapment?

[Lucas Ashrock]

Kinda. Don't tell me you didn't understood we are guinea pigs on this game, and just to add devs are even happy (as they wrote on the main forum) to test the playerbase enjoying how they find exploits and bugs. Then, clearly, permaban them

[Astral Projections]

Yet you can make a Legendary weapon which requires a large amount of karma (1 million I think) and then sell it on the the TP for a couple thousand gold. The rules are a little fuzzy here.

[Eon Lilu]

Trei, on 08 January 2013 - 03:22 AM, said:

What If I use only three karma pieces? Or one?

What is the purpose of allowing the mystic forge to even accept karma bought items in the first place?
Entrapment?

Astral Projections, on 08 January 2013 - 06:04 AM, said:

Yet you can make a Legendary weapon which requires a large amount of karma (1 million I think) and then sell it on the the TP for a couple thousand gold. The rules are a little fuzzy here.

Not really, legendary's take up other materials not specifically karma to make, some of the items even can't be bought on TP and take time to achieve as another component. You need hundreds of skillpoints, you need a gift from a dungeon, you need 500 WvW badges etc.

It is not straight up karma > gold.

The karma to gold exploit at start of launch was straight up little effort karma to gold. The breathing mask exploit was straight up karma to gold, now it might not be as profitable as other exploits, but using karma items in mystic forge to gain items you can use for gold...still an exploit.

Im not saying I agree with it, im not saying Anet are not to blame for making it possible in the first place.

I am simply going by what they have said and done in the past which is all anyone can go on. Anything else would just be speculation and opinion without evidence to back it up.

I would avoid doing it and just save up your karma for alts, aswell as they will most likely add extra things in game you can get for karma in the future. Though that is just a guess.

Edited by Eon Lilu, 08 January 2013 - 06:18 AM.

[Trei]

Personally I don't see the big deal with converting karma into coin.

What's more important is ensuring gold don't get to buy karma.

[Lucas Ashrock]

Hope something impossible is kinda hope nothing. A bit senseless isn't it

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 08 January 2013 - 07:08 AM.

[Spartacus]

Can someone remind me where i can get that Blue leaf tree that gives regeneration, i remebered buying it when i was @ a lower level.. Gendarran fields was it?

[Lucas Ashrock]

It's removed, maybe i'm wrong?

[UnDeadFun]

Spartacus, on 08 January 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

Can someone remind me where i can get that Blue leaf tree that gives regeneration, i remebered buying it when i was @ a lower level.. Gendarran fields was it?

Gendarran Fields
http://wiki.guildwar...ealing_Seed_Pod

[Ritualist]

Astral Projections, on 08 January 2013 - 06:04 AM, said:

Yet you can make a Legendary weapon which requires a large amount of karma (1 million I think) and then sell it on the the TP for a couple thousand gold. The rules are a little fuzzy here.

I don't think so - as a general rule, you should be looking at anything that turns karma into gold as something that will get you banned. But then, there are cases where A.net will simply not enact this rule. It doesn't mean that the rule isn't there - it just means you got lucky.

Based on what we have seen A.Net do, I'd say folks need to view this as something that will get them banned, unless A.Net specifically states it's acceptable. A.Net does not kid around when it comes to finding ways that help players obtain sufficient amounts of gold without the use of the cash shop.

[Mayra Venia]

A official reply would be cool. Just wrote a ticket to the german support, but they couldn't give me an exact allowed/not allowed to this question.

Edited by Mayra Venia, 08 January 2013 - 05:02 PM.

[this a pointed]

As you can make some good money whenyou have loads of karma with this method throwing greens in the forge you will be perm banned for sure. Thats the way Anet handles those so called "exploits". sad isnt it.

Edited by this a pointed, 08 January 2013 - 05:06 PM.

[Lucas Ashrock]

Mayra Venia, on 08 January 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

A official reply would be cool. Just wrote a ticket to the german support, but they couldn't give me an exact allowed/not allowed to this question.

About the green stuff of this thread? Looking forward to a new permaban wave , thx for your ticket

[dannywolt]

Eon Lilu, on 08 January 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

It is an exploit, some players got banned for turning karma breathing masks into rares using mystic forge. Anything that turns karma into gold = exploit.

Hadn't heard about this. Do you know where I can find more information on this incident?

[Eon Lilu]

dannywolt, on 08 January 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

Hadn't heard about this. Do you know where I can find more information on this incident?

Karma was never intended to be able to be transfered into another currency like gold. Karma>gold = exploit. Has been that way since launch whatever the conversion rate is, Anet really do not like it and will ban for it especially if you advertise it.

Edited by Eon Lilu, 09 January 2013 - 03:32 AM.