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[LemmingHerder]

I was just wondering why cultural weapons and armor can only be gotten in rare quality...

[kaldemeo]

Tran$mutation stones

[Hirsty]

To avoid the most expensive armour in the game to be exotic (and potentially the best)

[Arutima]

They want you to purchase transmutation stones.

[LemmingHerder]

Ah, wanting us to purchase transmutation stones makes sense, didn't think of that. Thanks.

[Dasryn]

yeah its basically a ploy to get you to spend a ton of real life money.  T3 is arguably the best looking armor across the board for all the races so they made that armor ridiculously expensive.  so you start converting gems to gold then you spend more on transmutation stones.

and its people like myself that this tactic works for ANet cuz thats exactly what i did.

[Sans]

Rickter, on 06 January 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

yeah its basically a ploy to get you to spend a ton of real life money.  T3 is arguably the best looking armor across the board for all the races so they made that armor ridiculously expensive.  so you start converting gems to gold then you spend more on transmutation stones.

and its people like myself that this tactic works for ANet cuz thats exactly what i did.

you actually bought gems to buy T3?
No sense of accomplishment that way.

[Dasryn]

Sans, on 06 January 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:

you actually bought gems to buy T3?
No sense of accomplishment that way.

you want the long story?  

ok i'll give you the long story.

when i first saw logan thackeray in his armor about a year ago, i told myself, "wow thats how ive always wanted to look in a fantasy setting"

so you can imagine what i did when i found out you could actually obtain that armor in game. . .

so i leveled from level 38 or 39 to 80 in AC Exp mode, amassing a ridiculous amount of AC tokens, gold and karma.  when i hit 80, i had around 40-45ish gold  so i bought what T3 armor i could with that and yes converted gems to gold for the rest.

i had a full set of exotic level 80 armor i mean, it was such a broken system of how i became ultra baller, but it happened!!  no exploites and no gold buying websites!!!  XD

yeah its great!!!

but you know what?

there are a lot of people that are part of this very community that did the very same thing!!!!!  like omg, maybe tey are too ashamed to admit it but im definitely not the only one.

and its about priorities i suppose.  i felt like i actually had the extra cash money to spend, i sold a lot of PC gaming peripherals that i just was NOT using any more (razer black widow, logitech g510, logitech g9x, razer naga, logitech g15, microsoft sidewinder x4) and it was my prerogative.

and sense of accomplishment?  who ever said anything about that?  sense of accomplishment is when you have a full set of exotics with sigils runes and jewels.

sense of accomplishment is when you get the dungeon master achievement

sense of accomplishment is whne you get 100% world completion.

no, i got T3 cult because it looks bad ass and thus I look bad ass. . . nothing more.

Edited by Rickter, 06 January 2013 - 05:42 AM.

[Sans]

Sense of accomplishment is when you earn something you really want.

Also, is that why you don't have Ascended gear? Because you can't buy it?
http://www.guildwars...4-maxed-geared/

Well, that's not really true, you can buy part of it.
http://www.guildwars...ny-resist-item/

It's less than 133.50 because price of gems have gone up since then, though you still have to earn 2350 fractals tokens.

At least you can buy half of it.

Edited by Sans, 06 January 2013 - 05:58 AM.

[leongrado]

You spend that much on your T3 and can't muster enough gold to get 350 gems? What?

[Dasryn]

Sans, on 06 January 2013 - 05:53 AM, said:

Sense of accomplishment is when you earn something you really want.

Also, is that why you don't have Ascended gear? Because you can't buy it?
http://www.guildwars...4-maxed-geared/

Well, that's not really true, you can buy part of it.
http://www.guildwars...ny-resist-item/

It's less than 133.50 because price of gems have gone up since then, though you still have to earn 2350 fractals tokens.

At least you can buy half of it.

why are you so concerned with how i obtained my T3 cult?  and ascended gear?  its a back item and two rings that you get thru RNG running fractal dungeons.  you think i cant do that or that i dont WANT to do that?

just relax ok?  i got T3 because i wanted it and i had the means from selling a lot of PC gaming peripherals.  i didnt commit a crime and i dont deserve to be scrutinized as such.

calm down before you start coming off jealous. . .

[Lucas Ashrock]

Pass over, Rickter. For some players a t3 is an unreacheable myth , not something everyone can have saving money and planning on it.

[Sans]

Rickter, on 06 January 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

why are you so concerned with how i obtained my T3 cult?  and ascended gear?  its a back item and two rings that you get thru RNG running fractal dungeons.  you think i cant do that or that i dont WANT to do that?

just relax ok?  i got T3 because i wanted it and i had the means from selling a lot of PC gaming peripherals.  i didnt commit a crime and i dont deserve to be scrutinized as such.

calm down before you start coming off jealous. . .

I'd be jealous if you didn't buy it with real money.

[Sheepski]

Rickter, on 06 January 2013 - 05:39 AM, said:

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I too love that armour, although I bought it with earned gold in game..

But badass... yeah... until you realise Logan is a cowardly git

[Daesu]

Sans, on 06 January 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

I'd be jealous if you didn't buy it with real money.

You should have known that there is a currency converter before you bought the game.  If it is not Rickter, it would be somebody else and I am sure he is not the only one.

I don't mean to be rude but this is what ArenaNet wants, it is part of the game design and would most probably stay since they have to earn their revenue somehow.

Edited by Daesu, 06 January 2013 - 06:48 PM.

[Andemius]

If you can afford C T3, you can afford a few gold to change to gems.

[Desild]

I believe there are more severe underlying problems here other than T3 not being exotic. Like:


Why the discrepancy in cost between T2 and T3?

Why can't we have the option of buying it with Karma?

Why can't we control the stats of our own armor?


Little things that bother me to no end.

[Daesu]

Andemius, on 06 January 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

If you can afford C T3, you can afford a few gold to change to gems.

For me, it depends on the exchange rate.  To buy gems, sometimes it makes more sense to use gold and sometimes it makes more sense to use money.

Edited by Daesu, 06 January 2013 - 07:01 PM.

[TGIFrisbie]

Rickter, on 06 January 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

why are you so concerned with how i obtained my T3 cult?

Debate won.

[Sans]

Daesu, on 06 January 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

You should have known that there is a currency converter before you bought the game.  If it is not Rickter, it would be somebody else and I am sure he is not the only one.

I don't mean to be rude but this is what ArenaNet wants, it is part of the game design and would most probably stay since they have to earn their revenue somehow.

It's not that, I just don't understand the point of the game if you decide to buy everything you want with money.
in about 150-200 hours you can do everything in this game, dungeons, map completion etc.

So what do you do next? you work for something you want.
I myself want the Fractal capacitor, and the Bifrost, what would be the point of me playing the game if I just buy it?

these are supposed to be long term goals, why rush it and get it so quick.

[MisterB]

Sans, on 06 January 2013 - 07:09 PM, said:

It's not that, I just don't understand the point of the game

People are different. Some people like different things. GW2 has lots of things to collect and do, and many ways to play.

I couldn't care less about means of acquisition, for example. Sense of accomplishment is also utterly irrelevant to me, or marginal in the case of gear. Gear and levels serve only as obstacles to be overcome in order to play my character as I desire. Due to this mindset, I view T3s as inferior equipment due to an incredibly high expense for inferior results compared to the many other alternatives.

Edited by MisterB, 06 January 2013 - 07:27 PM.

[SirGamesalot]

Sans, on 06 January 2013 - 07:09 PM, said:

It's not that, I just don't understand the point of the game if you decide to buy everything you want with money.
in about 150-200 hours you can do everything in this game, dungeons, map completion etc.

So what do you do next? you work for something you want.
I myself want the Fractal capacitor, and the Bifrost, what would be the point of me playing the game if I just buy it?

these are supposed to be long term goals, why rush it and get it so quick.

You cant do everything in 150-200 hours if you want all races/classes in max lvl

Also cultural armor is the thing you buy because its badass, its not like legendaries which are purely for showoff.

[Daesu]

Sans, on 06 January 2013 - 07:09 PM, said:

It's not that, I just don't understand the point of the game if you decide to buy everything you want with money.
in about 150-200 hours you can do everything in this game, dungeons, map completion etc.

So what do you do next? you work for something you want.
I myself want the Fractal capacitor, and the Bifrost, what would be the point of me playing the game if I just buy it?

these are supposed to be long term goals, why rush it and get it so quick.

I understand what you are saying.  For me, it is the long journey to obtain the items that I want, that is enjoyable.  But it is their choice on how they wish to play this game and I have to respect that as long as they are doing this in a legit way.

Edited by Daesu, 06 January 2013 - 07:53 PM.

[HederaHelix]

Spending money on Transmuation stones? Really?  o.o;  I have almost 60  of the level 80 Advanced Trans stones in my bank and over  100 of the other ones from just playing the game.  Why would you ever -need- to buy them?

[Daesu]

HederaHelix, on 06 January 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

Spending money on Transmuation stones? Really?  o.o;  I have almost 60  of the level 80 Advanced Trans stones in my bank and over  100 of the other ones from just playing the game.  Why would you ever -need- to buy them?

You can't buy transmutation stones anyway because they are account bound.  The gold sink aspect of this is not because of the stones themselves, but the fact that you need to buy 2 sets of armor: the t3 and the exotic.

[Cube]

Rickter, on 06 January 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

yeah its basically a ploy to get you to spend a ton of real life money.  T3 is arguably the best looking armor across the board for all the races so they made that armor ridiculously expensive.  so you start converting gems to gold then you spend more on transmutation stones.

and its people like myself that this tactic works for ANet cuz thats exactly what i did.

Haha, same as me. I've bought two tier 3 cultural armours already, with gems.

Now, there's no reason to be bothered by people who somehow get irritated/offended by those who can afford and want to buy gems. There are those who buy or do not buy gems and don't give a shit if other people do(because they realize it's none of their business and they don't have an issue with other peoples choices) and then there's those who somehow think everybody should feel the same way as them about gems and there for not buy them. As well as having a big enough ego to think they can determine what is and what is not an achievement for someone else.

I know why Anet do it this way, as then you will buy transmutation stones and gems(to gold) if you want to stay casual and/or don't want to wait. Which is why I did it. And I don't enjoy my T3 armours any less.

[HederaHelix]

Daesu, on 06 January 2013 - 08:12 PM, said:

You can't buy transmutation stones anyway because they are account bound.  The gold sink aspect of this is not because of the stones themselves, but the fact that you need to buy 2 sets of armor: the t3 and the exotic.

I was talking about the top posts I meant to quote . they were talking about it as a reason that they need to be transmuted so it was a cash shop ploy.. and I mean buy them with money as in real money... =P  Which to me is silly since you get so many of them.  The rest of the thread I have no opinion on what so ever, considering how easy it is to obtain exotic gear.

[SirGamesalot]

HederaHelix, on 06 January 2013 - 08:37 PM, said:

I was talking about the top posts I meant to quote . they were talking about it as a reason that they need to be transmuted so it was a cash shop ploy.. and I mean buy them with money as in real money... =P  Which to me is silly since you get so many of them.  The rest of the thread I have no opinion on what so ever, considering how easy it is to obtain exotic gear.

When you are allredy spending 119gold on cultural armor, you dont want so spend another 20gold on the armor with the stats. Not all of us have infinite cash you know.

[Fizzypop]

HederaHelix, on 06 January 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

Spending money on Transmuation stones? Really?  o.o;  I have almost 60  of the level 80 Advanced Trans stones in my bank and over  100 of the other ones from just playing the game.  Why would you ever -need- to buy them?

Not everyone has that many. I only have about 20 fine stones which doesn't last long if you are using them for a full set of gear. Since that's 6 stones per set of armor.

Edited by Fizzypop, 06 January 2013 - 09:13 PM.

[HederaHelix]

SirGamesalot, on 06 January 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

When you are allredy spending 119gold on cultural armor, you dont want so spend another 20gold on the armor with the stats. Not all of us have infinite cash you know.

Do a dungeon a few times, "free" set of Exotic gear.  There are also from what I have seen almost every stat combination available through dungeons. Just gotta check which dungeon gives you the stats you desire and do it a few times.  You can get 180 tokens a day (more now with the boss bags), on average I get 201 from the dungeons I do.  Plus you make money on top of the tokens. Many of the dungeons are done quite fast.  1380 tokens for a full set of gear takes  a week tops, plus I had the money to spare. It took me all of three weeks to earn enough money for my Culti gear, and for the gear itself (had the tokens for the gear in a week, it took the rest of the month to earn the coin for the cultural gear) as I just ran all 3 paths of the dungeon once a day or whenever I had the chance.  You make it seem like everyone who has a different opinion just had piles of cash to throw around. If you don't like that avenue, well you have other options just may not be as fast or profitable as I have found.  Luckily for me, I really enjoy running dungeons.

Fizzypop, on 06 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

Not everyone has that many. I only have about 20 fine stones which doesn't last long if you are using them for a full set of gear. Since that's 6 stones per set of armor.

Its easy to get more though. Do a couple map completions (if you have an alt that is 80 or around it, you can do the higher level maps that give the Advanced Stones as rewards). How many times are you transmuting gear? I've only used it a few times.  Of course I found the gear I wanted, and waited till I got it before I transmuted it. I didn't say I was speaking for everyone.  But to say its a Cash Shop Ploy by ArenaNet to get people to buy Trans stones is silly its not a ploy.. its just there as an option for people who don't want to obtain other ways of getting it. If you're wasting the ones you are given in game, then of course you will have to purchase more.  But they give you a substantial amount free.  With three characters at 80, two of which I've done completions on, I seem to be rolling in those little squares of transmuting goodness.