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#1 Marmite

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:34 PM

Hi all and thanks for reading this.
I play Engineer on the Desolation server (“Marmite”) and currently like to play with Dbl Pistols + Elixirs.
I’ll appreciate you having a good look and telling me your thoughts. No ego so I don’t mind if you tear it apart as long as you explain why. I.e. don’t say what sucks… tell me why it sucks and what you’d do to make it not suck :P
Here is my build: http://vl.io/UKomhD

#2 MrForz

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:29 PM

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Your link seems broken, or dead. Aaaand... You made me curious, I want to see it.

#3 kekuso

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:41 PM

when in doubt, copy paste :)

on topic: is this for WvW or spvp?
Generally I find that for any pvp situation you will want Elixir S at 25% hp and swiftness whenever you crit.  This should let u survive those backstab/hundred-blade glass cannons and the occasional zerg as well as grant almost perma-swiftness. Also, the lack of cc makes me cringe since engi has so many cc options.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:11 PM

This is almost the build that I used for a long time before switching to a rifle build and that I always think about switching back to, because it's just rock solid!

The only thing I would change is to put the 10 points of tools into explosives because the 10% additional condition duration together with a rare veggie pizza give you an extra tick of bleeding and poision (3 seconds).

I think I gotta give my condition engie another try...

#5 Marmite

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:12 PM

* link broke so here is an updated link: http://gw2skills.net...IbOOdk5My4ExMCA "

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 05:10 PM

Take a look at this dude in WvW

#7 Rouzeki

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:46 PM

I use something similar:  http://www.intothemi...-T-4;034B;1179U

It's a pub-stomp build.  I prefer bomb kit over Elixir U (even though I LOVE that elixir) due to AoE being very handy vs stealth thieves and mesmers especially.  And I take elixir duration over elixirs giving might but I think both are solid.  The other traits I spec in to are great for wracking up condition damage (and vulnerability).  I didn't put in runes, sorry.

#8 Erien

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:04 PM

This is all with sPvP in mind!

I use a very similar build also, but switch it around a little bit, putting 10 points into explosives instead for the burn on crit instead of the points in invention. Then remove the cripple from Firearms for increased range.

In terms of gear I go with 4x Affliction and 2x Krait runes for increased bleed and poison duration and condition damage, with the generic earth and agony sigils on my weapons. For my accessory I run with Rampagers for the increased crit rating, then use the stacking might from elixirs to increase my condition damage a little more, the crit rating then correlating a lot towards burns and bleeds from traits and sigils.

Utility wise, I run with Elixir H for heal, Elixir B for self-buffing, Elixir R for the break stun, endurance regen and it's toss is amazing when you know you're going down. Along with Elixir S or U dependent upon the situation and the general team make up I'm up against.


In case this is a TL;DR situation, here's a link to what I'm running instead: http://gw2skills.net...AjAGrPOYk MqYGA


I've found that I very rarely get downed, in bad situations you have Elixir S for invulnerability and toss Elixir S is also really handy for stomping certain classes, so it's what I generally run.
There are very few professions that I have issues with, aside from perhaps decent mesmers and thieves, but I think that's a general consensus (thieves not so much if I have Elixir S and Toss S available).

Good luck with the build! It's so much fun and a lot of survivability with supply drop along with it too.

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#9 Marmite

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:24 AM

Thanks to all! As some spotted I was thinking of sPvP!

Also @Erien thanks very much for this. I've read all the comments but I never thought to have Elixir S AND Elixir R at the same time. This seems like a great idea and going to try it all.

#10 Erien

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:49 PM

It's not a problem Marmite, always like to help fellow "Desolation" players. ;)

Yeah, S and R do work quite well together to help increase your survivability between Elixir H cd's and getting out of bad aoe's. Just, the lack of Elixir C means that you have to sometimes use some elixirs before you want to to try and get rid of some hefty conditions.

I've been playing around recently with Firearms master trait "Napalm Specialist" for the 20% increase to burns and running 2x Afflic, 2x Krait and 2x Balthazar since burn seems to be quite the dangerous condition and a lot of people seem to still ignore it. :-\ with the 35% increase to burns and 10% from 10 points in Explosives, that's 45% increased condition duration for burns, which can make both "Incendiary Powder" (Adept trait in Explosives) and Blow Torch quite lethal.

If you want to chat at any point about builds and stuff Marmite, you can find me on Desolation as 'Mina Lockenl'.

Good luck with the Engineering!

~ Erien

#11 jeddahwe

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:55 PM

Is it better to go for Bleed duration or not?  The 3 diffrent +15% bleed runes and the 40% Pizza or just go for CD?  (Using Maskaganda build from above video and playing WvW)

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#12 Erien

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:10 PM

I *normally* go with 4x Afflicted and 2x Krait for 30% bleed duration and 15% poison duration then use Earth and Agony on weapons. In sPvP with my build and set up, that's 50% increased bleed duration (10% from Agony and 10% from Explosives) and run with 62% crit rating, with nearly constant fury which bumps me up to 82% so it's very rare not to get stacking bleeds from traits and Earth sigil; which I find is more than feasible, effortlessly keeping up around 12 stacks of bleeding along with poison and burning, with the occasional couple of stacks of confusion from static shot.

All of this in conjunction with nearly constant uptime of retaliation makes us quite problematic to kill.

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#13 Ayestes

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:44 PM

You could run 4x Nightmare and 2x Lyssa for +30% condition duration from runes as well, and you wouldn't really lose much for stats.

#14 MrForz

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:57 PM

View Postjeddahwe, on 17 January 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

Is it better to go for Bleed duration or not?  The 3 diffrent +15% bleed runes and the 40% Pizza or just go for CD?  (Using Maskaganda build from above video and playing WvW)

These days? No. You're better off with a real set of runes and traits, the Rare Veggie Pizza does a good enough job so you can equip yourself correctly. I'm also telling this due to adaptation issues, alot of people out there can shrug off conditions and even condition-spamming. Instead of risking to do 0 damage, you can build yourself for more versatility and let the Veggie Pizza do the job.

#15 Marmite

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:56 PM

I've spent a lot of time refining my build and taken on board the comments above. Worth mentioning tool tip for bleed/burn times seems to be faulty (i.e. getting it up to 3 seconds is important but only showing 2 1/2 when runes are on, not showing correct time).

Here is the base build. The Tool Kit gives you a shield, a ranged cripple with the traited "Throw Wrench" and is great to pull someone in with Magnet + Blowtorch: http://en.gw2skills....JbTumkNNq4UxcBA

Am going to try a modified build tonight with different runes: Runes of Forge: http://gw2skills.net...MLYOwkgNq4UxUAA

You have to look at whether your 15% + for this or that actually gets you the extra tick. If you're at 2 3/4 second duration you're only getting x 2 ticks! People waste their runes. You should use the runes which don't give you waste. So for a 2 second duration you need 50% boost to it. You'll see this last build changes the knee shot to the improved burn duration 20% in firearms + 15% from the runes + 10% from the sigil. Weirdly that amounts to 45% but builder say it gives me the 3 seconds. I'll confirm it tonight.

#16 Ayestes

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:06 PM

Yes it's very important not to waste duration increases.  Burn, Poison, and Confusion suffer a little less then Bleeding though.  Bleeding can only stack in intensity and will always lose ticks when improperly configured.  Working with the Veggie Pizza can be a little odd too, since 40% means you need a base of 60% or 10% to reach the 50%/100% areas.  100% is possible with 4/6 Nightmare, 2/6 Lyssa, and 30 Explosives, but you pretty much need to be using Grenades if you are that far into Explosives.




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