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#1 Dilum2444

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:57 PM

While taking a break from studying, I was thinking about Legendaries and the fact that I, a regular player, would have a really hard time getting one and would be bored during half of the activities to get the materials.

Other players who are able to play the market and are more hardcore sometimes already have three and can buy two more from the Trading Post if they wanted to.

The last thing I considered is that fact that I’m hearing a lot of complains about the fact that getting a Legendary should involve a real, epic adventure; and not a grinding-fest.

That’s why I evaluated the whole system, marked what didn’t work for me and introduces elements that would make it more fun and adventures.

Let’s start with the current situation:


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I think we are all familiar with the system and the complexity of it.
Now, I don’t hate a complex system and it can be used to make it feel like you are not performing a task, but like you are making it an incomprehensible, unexpected adventure. In this case however, it’s just plain complex and reasonably boring.


PROBLEMS

I started marking what didn’t like and ended up with this:

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The Gift of Might and Gift of Magic are just a grinding-fest. All you have to do is kill mobs and collect the loot. It has nothing to do with might, magic or adventure; but is more about doing a boring, repetitive task.

The same applies for the Globs of Ectoplasm, the Precursor -which is too hard to find-, the Dungeon and Resource Gift -like Gift of Light- and the Resource Gift -like Gift of Energy-.

I also don’t like the entire idea of Mystic Clovers and the Gift of Fortune; it’s just about grinding in the end, not luck.

I do like two concepts that have to be changed to work:
  • The Gift of Battle and The Dungeon Gift are about adventures in WvW and Dungeons. The problem is that they require too many tokens and end up being about grinding instead of adventure.
  • The Icy Runestones requires the defeat of the Claw of Jormag, which is about adventure; but the Runestones themselves require too much gold for any normal player. If the adventure itself is more time-consuming, than the grinding for gold can be eliminated.
Now, I don’t entirely hate everything about the system.

I like the idea of the Mystic Coins because, without the Trading Post, it requires you to complete daily and monthly achievements, thus requires you to play daily or intensively. This ensures that the players try to play the game daily and populate the game, even if it is just for a little while.

The Gift of Exploration requires you to travel the entire continent of Tyria, which can be a real adventure. This is one of the thing I want to achieve with my Legendary system: that it becomes an adventure.
The same applies for the Obsidian Shard: you either have to complete the meta-event or complete the Fractals, which is also an adventure. The Karma cost of them isn’t ridiculously high and can easily be collected with the daily and monthly Jugs of Karma and by completing enough Dynamic Events.

The Bloodstone Shard can be obtained reasonably easy, especially when you have to achieve Map Completion.


Let’s recapitulate:

PARTS THAT I DISLIKE AND WANT TO CHANGE

  • Grinding
    • Gift of Might
    • Gift of Magic
    • Globs of Ectoplasm
    • Precursor
    • Dungeon and Resource Gift
    • Resource Gift
  • Random luck (and indirect grinding)
    • Mystic Clovers
    • Gift of Fortune
PARTS I LIKE BUT REQUIRE A CHANCE
  • Requires adventure, but also gold- and token-grinding
    • Gift of Battle
    • Dungeon Gift
    • Icy Runestones
PARTS I LIKE
  • Daily participation
    • Mystic Coins
  • Adventure
    • Gift of Exploration
    • Obsidian Shards
    • Bloodstone Shard
SOLUTIONS

And now for my solution:

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There are 6 aspects that I’d like to chance, some of which are new concepts (which are marked in green):
  • Precursor
  • Icy Runestones
  • Resource Gift -> Gift of Champions
  • Dungeon and Resource Gift -> Gift of Adventure
  • Gift of Battle
  • Gift of Fortune -> Book of Your Legend
Precursor

The Precursor is too hard to obtain for any normal player, and almost doesn’t require any adventure.

That’s why I’d like to introduce a second way of obtaining the Precursor: the Gift of “Precursor”.

To obtain the Gift of “Precursor”, you have to collect four items:

  • Mysterious Shaft; which can be found at a random player-specific location in the Straits of Devastation
  • Mysterious Head; which can be found at a random player-specific location in Malchor’s Leap
  • Mysterious Energy; which can be found at a random player-specific location in Cursed Shore
  • Mysterious Transfixer of “Precursor”; which can be crafted form Orichalcum, Ancient Planks and a small amount of Lodestones and which determines the Precursor you receive
The location where you can find the three pieces differ for each player and resets every 4 months, thus changing locations and granting you the opportunity to collect them again.

When you have the four pieces, you can combine them in the Mystic Forge to receive your Precursor.

By doing this, Orr becomes more populated an players will  be randomly crossing Orr and, hopefully, complete Dynamic Events while being there; thus reviving the player-dead Orr.

Icy Runestones

The Icy Runestones are too expensive, so I’d like to lower the price to 50 gold for 100 Runestones. This way, they are more affordable for average players.

Resource Gift -> Gift of Champions

The Resource Gift is pure grinding, so I’d like to replace that with a new concept: the Gift of Champions.

The Gift of Champions can be obtained by combining 4 elements by crafting them with any 400 crafting profession.

The four elements are:

  • Crystal of the Shatterer: a 35% chance drop from The Shatterer
  • Meat of Tequatl The Sunless: a 35% chance drop from Tequatl The Sunless
  • Claw of The Claw of Jormag: a 35% chance drop from the Claw of Jormag
  • Energy of the Start: a 35% chance drop from any starter zone champion, like the Shadow Behemoth or the Fire Elemental
This way, you have to complete an adventure to defeat the Dragon Champions of Tyria and have to populate the starter zones to obtain the last element.

Dungeon and Resource Gift -> Gift of Adventure

The Dungeon gift was, in my opinion, a great idea. The only problem was that it required too many tokens from one dungeon and thus required too much grinding.

The Dungeon and Resource Gift wasn’t a great idea because of the many very rare resources that are required.

That’s why I’d like to replace the 3 types of resources with 3 types of other dungeon tokens and make the players go through not one (dungeon) adventure, but 4.

I’d also like to lower the required amount of tokens required for a gift to 180.
This would require 3 explorable dungeon runs of a dungeon to collect a gift; which gives players another motivation to try out the 3 different paths of an explorable dungeon.

Gift of Battle

The Gift of Battle itself is a great concept and lures players to World versus World. The problem is that it’s more a grind in WvW and it’s jumping puzzles than an adventure.

That’s why, firstly, I’d like to change the amount of Badges required for the Gift of Battle and make them more likely to drop, as following:

  • WvW kills: stays the same
  • Jumping puzzle: lower the rate to 1-3 in the Borderlands and 3-6 in the Eternal Battlegrounds
  • Capturing towers: introduce a rate of 0-2 per captured tower
  • Capturing keeps: increase the rate to 1-4 per captured keep
  • Capturing Stonemist Castle: increase the rate to 3-6 per captured Castle
To compensate for the lower Badge-requirement, I’d also like to introduce 2 new collectables that are required for the Gift of Battle:
  • Mist Blades: 100% chance drop from a Keep Lord. 12 are required per Gift and requires players to capture 12 keeps, or each keep in WvW once.
  • Stonemist Blades: 100% chance drop from a Stonemist Lord. 3 are required per Gift and requires players to capture Stonemist Castle 3 times
By lowering the rate of Badges required and introducing two new collectables, players are going to run around the Mists, capture objectives and undertake an adventure; and thus populate WvW.

These collectables are combined in the Mystic Forge to create the Gift of Battle.

Gift of Fortune -> Book of Your Legend

I want to get rid of the entire concept of the Gift of Fortune because too much of it isn’t working, in my opinion.

That’s why I’d like to introduce the new “Book of Your Legend”. This requires players you to complete 20 events, of which only 5 may be repeated, in all the zones of Kryta, Ascalon, Shiverpeak Mountains and Maguuma Jungle:

  • Chapter of Kryta; which requires you to complete all the following:
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Queensdale
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Kessex Hills
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Gendarran Field
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Harathi Hinterlands
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Bloodtide Coast
  • Chapter of Ascalon; which requires you to completing all of the following:
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Blazeridge Steppes
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Fireheart Rise
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Plains of Ashford
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Iron Marches
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Diessa Plateau
  • Chapter of Maguuma Jungle, which requires you to complete all the following
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Sparkfly Fen
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Brisban Wildlands
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Metrica Province
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Caledon Forest
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Mount Maelstrom
  • Chapter of the Shiverpeaks, which requires you to complete all the following:
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Wayfarer Foothills
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Snowden Drifts
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Lornar’s Pass
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Dredgehaunt Cliffs
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Timberline Falls
    • Complete 20 events, of which 5 may be repeated, in Frostgorge Sound
Completing a zone unlocks an achievement which rewards you with the Chapter of that zone. The Chapters make the player explore all the zones and participate in as many events as possible, thus reviving dead zones and helping players with harder events.

These chapters can be combined in the Mystic Forge to create the Pages of Your Legend.

You also need the Cover of your Legend to make the Book of Your Legend. This Cover of your Legend can be “bought” with 900 ArenaNet achievement Points (and giving them a purpose). 900 points can be obtained by completing 100 daily quests.

But there are also other ways to obtain these Points: by completing achievements. This is easier in the beginning of the game, and thus makes it harder and harder to obtain a Cover of Your Legend and make a legendary the longer you play the game.



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This is only my opinion and I am just a regular guy, so I don't know anything about wether this is possible to code.

And I wouldn't put this online if I didn't want it to be criticized ;)

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:02 PM

View PostDilum2444, on 09 January 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

While taking a break from studying, I was thinking about Legendaries and the fact that I, a regular player, would have a really hard time getting one and would be bored during half of the activities to get the materials.

"Regular" players don't make 5 page long reports with flow charts about the process to get endgame skins.

SURPRISE. YOU ARE HARDCORE.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:03 PM

OR! Waste the same time and energy farming.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:07 PM

Quit making so much sense, OP!

They founded Arena Net to innovate, which means you have to grind your ass off if you want a Legendary!

Wait ...

In all seriousness, this is an awesome idea. Outside of super hardcores whining their diapers off about Legendaries becoming more accessible, I think this is the kind of change that needs implemented to make it less of a grind fest and actually make it fun! After all, that's why we're supposed to be playing the game.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:10 PM

Well.. it's better than what ArenaNet thought of, i'll give you that. :cool:

I like the precursor solution as well, that seems pretty fun.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:24 PM

I think you've got some great ideas here. I personally would be way more motivated by your system rather than the current one. It would still feel like you were doing something Legendary, just not as boring... I enjoyed the idea of making people go back and do events in all the zones and therefore helping anyone whose making and playing alts or new characters. I hope someone see's this and at least begins brainstorming some fixes

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:41 PM

I really like your train of thought, it seems a little more immersive than a senseless grid fest. When you said the stuff about the precursor replacements, dd you imply that if the player went there he/she would ALWAYS get those parts or is it still chance?

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:54 PM

Given that I have farmed for a very long time to get all the ingredients I need for 3 legendaries (except 1 precursor and around 2m karma) I would be extremely extremely pissed off if they made these things any easier to attain because it simply wouldn't be fair.

I'm pretty sure many people who have already gone to the effort that "regular players" don't want to go through would be pretty pissed too.

I do agree that the current system is a bad one. But because it has been in place.. to change it as drastically as you're suggesting (essentially making it a cake-walk) would be un-fair on those of us who already participated in the system. Unless we get re-imbursed somehow. But that wont happen.

My suggestion;

Make new legendaries that are relatively easy to attain but keep the current legendary system in place for the players that have put in the effort/ work.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:03 PM

Legendary items should have been reserved for players participating in all parts of the PvE or WvW experience. This to me means conquering every available dungeon, unlocking the maps, participating in all major events, performing some number of daily/monthly and contributing in some meaningful way in WvW.

After unlocking all of those parts of the game a player should have been allowed to craft a weapon set (2 one handers or 1 two hander). To keep players on track a panel on the hero page would show them what they haven't completed. Right now it is just too complicated and too grind oriented for me to even want to try and it doesn't represent the spirit of GW.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:15 PM

View PostRyoto, on 09 January 2013 - 06:41 PM, said:

I really like your train of thought, it seems a little more immersive than a senseless grid fest. When you said the stuff about the precursor replacements, dd you imply that if the player went there he/she would ALWAYS get those parts or is it still chance?

They would always be able to get it. I'm comparing it to the glittering Environmental weapons you sometimes find lying around: you would be exploring, for example, the Straits of Devastation and come across a small patch glittering. You interact with it and receive -in this case- the Mysterious Shaft.

The place of this "glittering patch" would be changed every four months and you can only pick it up once every cycle.

The "patch" is also different for each player, thus you can't just look it up online. I'm sure there is a way to randomly generate a place for each player.

View PostThe Shadow, on 09 January 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

Given that I have farmed for a very long time to get all the ingredients I need for 3 legendaries (except 1 precursor and around 2m karma) I would be extremely extremely pissed off if they made these things any easier to attain because it simply wouldn't be fair.

I'm pretty sure many people who have already gone to the effort that "regular players" don't want to go through would be pretty pissed too.

I do agree that the current system is a bad one. But because it has been in place.. to change it as drastically as you're suggesting (essentially making it a cake-walk) would be un-fair on those of us who already participated in the system. Unless we get re-imbursed somehow. But that wont happen.

My suggestion;

Make new legendaries that are relatively easy to attain but keep the current legendary system in place for the players that have put in the effort/ work.

I now get that frustration, but I'd really like to obtain my Bifrost using a more fun way instead of the long and painful year or longer that is now ahead of me.

If it was me in charge: how would you feel about "All players who made a Legendary weapon get a/2 armor pieces of their choice; 2 months before implementing a way to obtain them in-game". You receive two pieces and the right to brag about them for 2 months ;)

View PostI, on 09 January 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

"Regular" players don't make 5 page long reports with flow charts about the process to get endgame skins.

SURPRISE. YOU ARE HARDCORE.

Let's call it having a mental breakdown because of my studies ;)

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:21 PM

View PostDilum2444, on 09 January 2013 - 10:15 PM, said:

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I would rather have the hours I wasted given back to me.

Or just implement a new system instead of changing the hard-core old one.




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