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#1 Edge

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 06:46 PM

Yeah, surprise. (Seriously)



Pokemon X & Y will feature the 6th generation of Pokemon, following the Black and White series, it will be the first main series game exclusive for the 3DS.

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Thoughts? Personally I was an avid player up until Gen 3, and I began to miss out with Gen 4. I caved in and bought Black and White hoping for a warm experience but I wasn't very impressed. The switch to fully animated sprites was the main feature for me, but it also ruined the replay value of previous games a bit in that aspect. Overall I finished Black and White very quickly and the game had very little content after the main story. The entire map was linear, and this was my greatest qualm. The designs also began to show a lack of creativity (Ice cream cones, garbage bags?).

I will admit, the switch to fully modeled 3D graphics has caught my interest, the pre-release footage reminds me a lot of Final Fantasy titles for the DS. The Gamecube games were 3D, but they were more of a closed game. They lacked random wild Pokemon encounters and this is what most people were expecting from them; the expansive open world element.

Edited by Edge, 10 January 2013 - 06:56 PM.


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:30 PM

It looks good, but I wish they didn't contain new pokemon. That was why I gave up with Black and White... I just couldn't understand what type the pokemon were. Now you could argue that I should have learnt the different types, but I enjoyed watching pokemon as a child and then playing the game myself and knowing everything about every single pokemon (after all, there were only 150! Or 151 if you count Metwo).

Now I feel that there are just too many pokemon and you can see this in the designs - i.e. trubbish. I mean... really?

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:54 PM

It's certainly a step forward for Pokemon. Unfortunately, everything else made that step forward over a decade ago. I get that it's marketed towards kids, so maybe that's why I just can't imagine myself touching a hand-held ever again, but I really wish they'd make something for PC.
If they put together a good Pokemon game for PC, I'd buy it. What do I mean by good? I mean not the incredibly simplistic grab-all-de-monies-from-de-kids design it has now. Maybe it's a bit dumb for me to complain about a kids' game being designed for kids, but I think Nintendo could make some extra money if they also made a game or two marketed towards those of us who grew up with Pokemon and are no longer kids.

...It would also help if Nintendo did anything new, instead of recycling the same 10 or so franchises over and over and over again but with some lame new gimmick each time.
Oh yeah, and they definitely need to stop adding new Pokemon. Why not just improve on the already existing ones?
And the mecha pokemon need to stop.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:52 PM

View PostGerroh, on 10 January 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

I get that it's marketed towards kids, so maybe that's why I just can't imagine myself touching a hand-held ever again, but I really wish they'd make something for PC.
If they put together a good Pokemon game for PC, I'd buy it. What do I mean by good? I mean not the incredibly simplistic grab-all-de-monies-from-de-kids design it has now. Maybe it's a bit dumb for me to complain about a kids' game being designed for kids, but I think Nintendo could make some extra money if they also made a game or two marketed towards those of us who grew up with Pokemon and are no longer kids.
I hear you. In general, that's why my love for Nintendo faded away over the years. The Legend of Zelda was one of my all time favorite franchises as a kid. But I grew up, and the games went for the appeal of an even younger audience. The Wind Waker was really controversial for it's cel-shaded art style and child hero setting. Still, I got through with it somehow. Spirit Tracks on the other hand crossed the line. I didn't enjoy Skyward Sword either. Again, childish themes and that overused JRPG story of friendship and other crap.

The same applies to Pokemon in a way where afaik the protagonist in every game is 10 years old. The only exception was Black and White where they are teenagers.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:00 PM

I skipped Black & White (+2) after my disappointment with Platinum - which partly came cause I was without wi-fi so I missed out on events and trading (that sucks if you're into collecting). Since I have a wi-fi connection now I'm looking forward to trying out the new gen, and start collecting them all again.:D (yes, I love collecting)

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:15 PM

I skipped Gen IV, much to my regret, because I wasn't conviced with the overal feel. This after being dismayed in Gen III due to no retro-compatibility with Gen I and II. All that changed when I got my hands on Gen V.

Been working non-stop catching up with everything I missed over the past Generations. Got my self a Emerald version recently and have been catching and training across three generations to get into competitive battling. Hopefully sooner than later. Lost treasures like Seismic Toss Registeel can't be obtained otherwise!

I got high hopes for Gen VI.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:22 PM

Wow it's like as if you are playing within the anime.  The last generation that I played was gold and silver on the game boy color, never owned anything else after that xD  Original red and blue was still really awesome imo- that infinity item glitch, and getting mew glitch, anyone remember that? :D

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:00 PM

View PostRobsy128, on 10 January 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

It looks good, but I wish they didn't contain new pokemon. That was why I gave up with Black and White... I just couldn't understand what type the pokemon were. Now you could argue that I should have learnt the different types, but I enjoyed watching pokemon as a child and then playing the game myself and knowing everything about every single pokemon (after all, there were only 150! Or 151 if you count Metwo).

Now I feel that there are just too many pokemon and you can see this in the designs - i.e. trubbish. I mean... really?
Eh, I'm sick of this argument against the new games. There have always been weird design choices for every generation. Remember Muk? Yeah that's just a blob of cum or something... Great design right there. I get having nostalgia but seriously don't say the new designs are all bad just based off of one pokemon.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:49 PM

Played every Gen and I'm definitely looking forward to this. Fair enough at this stage it appears the only major difference to the series is the major graphical overhaul and more active appearance of battles, but to be honest that's all I've wanted having grown up with the series. I hate to say it, but the various new mechanics they introduced could only go so far to keep me playing when every instalment essentially looked like a shinier version of the Gen 1 style graphics. It'll be enough to make it feel somewhat fresh for me anyway, playing through White got tedious and I still haven't bothered to finish White 2.

My interest is also probably due to the fact I actually like the look of these starters compared to my complete indifference to the Gen V ones, gives me slight hope I'll like the other new pokemon designs more. Initially I took a shine to Fennekin but Chespin and Froakie seem like they could have cool evolutions. Liking Chespin the most so far I think.

What are everyone else's thoughts on the new starter pokemon by the way?

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:52 PM

View PostWifflebottom, on 10 January 2013 - 11:00 PM, said:

Eh, I'm sick of this argument against the new games. There have always been weird design choices for every generation. Remember Muk? Yeah that's just a blob of cum or something... Great design right there. I get having nostalgia but seriously don't say the new designs are all bad just based off of one pokemon.

They did it once with Muk and got away with it. But then they did it again. There's a difference. They can get away with it the first time.

Don't even get me started on the 'legendary' Pokémon. They're becoming as common as Ratata.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:03 AM

Seems cool, but I just hate how I can never get all those super rare pokemon.

View PostRobsy128, on 10 January 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

They did it once with Muk and got away with it. But then they did it again. There's a difference. They can get away with it the first time.

Don't even get me started on the 'legendary' Pokémon. They're becoming as common as Ratata.
Maybe you and the others just need to accept that you have out grown pokemon. Not saying that the designs are nice, just saying that their appeal might be to someone else.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:12 AM

Red must be around 20 by now since each new generation is set a few years after the previous. Let's see a new pc pokemon game marketed towards an older audience, perhaps with Red back as the protag going through all the new zones.
It's not like all of pokemon is market at 10 year olds, I remember seeing this image not long ago and finding out it's from a pokemon manga:
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Not to say something being sliced in half makes it 'mature', but I've heard the manga over all is aimed at an older audience

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:50 AM

View PostSpecialz, on 11 January 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

Maybe you and the others just need to accept that you have out grown pokemon. Not saying that the designs are nice, just saying that their appeal might be to someone else.

Oh no, I still love Pokemon. I just wish they'd make a game with the pokemon we know already - just add new zones. It's annoying having to learn every single new pokemon with each generation, as well as always wondering what happened to your previous character. I mean... surely the characters from the previous generations would still be around and you'd have to fight them in order to become the very best. I mean the player's characters. It's early in the morning so sorry if this post doesn't make much sense :P

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:34 AM

View PostRobsy128, on 10 January 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

They did it once with Muk and got away with it. But then they did it again. There's a difference. They can get away with it the first time.

Don't even get me started on the 'legendary' Pokémon. They're becoming as common as Ratata.

Muk is totally ok as a Pokémon, and so is the new rubbish thing.
It doesn't really matter if they add more (subjectively) stupid Pokémon, because with over 700 to choose from there'll be plenty cool ones to pick from anyway. If you liked the older generations, you are totally free to build a team like that and never bother with the new stuff, except right at the start when you're still limited.
Having more legendaries is a good thing. It gives the top tier more variety. Back in gen 1, if you disliked the designs of Mewtwo and the 3 legendary birds you were out of luck. With all the new gens added, there's plenty to choose from.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:53 AM

i havent played a pokemon game since fire red/leaf green. i like the idea of pokemon still, but the "defeat 8 trainers and then the elite 4" and the bad-guy-team subplots have worn very thin over the years for me. i mean i know its aimed at younger audiences and the plot shouldnt be too complicated, but i dont think its necessary for the plots to be 99% identical. thats my main gripe with the series and why i dont play it anymore. its just playing the same game with a couple minigame things added to it each time and double battles and crap. its not enough for me to play through the same plot every time after doing it so many times already.

the gamecube game whatever it was called didnt have the open-world that everyone wanted from a 3d console pokemon game, but i enjoyed it cause it was different from the handheld rehash. different plot, different kind of setting, fresh graphics style.

will i play this? maybe. it just might have been long enough since i last played a pokemon game that i might give a crap. i just have to hope 1 of my friends buys a 3ds and this game that i can borrow, cause i certainly wont be buying a 3ds for myself...

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:43 AM

I actually get really excited for each new generation (though the starters look stupid in some of them)! I have been waiting for years for Skyrim meets Pokemon... this isn't quiet it, but it's close enough! =)

I CAN'T WAIT!

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:50 AM

I will always have that nostalgic place for the original 151/251, but that doesn't stop me from liking the newer generations. I'm always excited for the new games, and this will be the only reason I'll buy a 3ds.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:00 AM

I'm still waiting on Pokemon Rainbow *sighs*

Basically it's the final pokemon game before they end the franchise (gamewise anyway). The game would consist of every region and every pokemon packed into one. You could chose which region to start in then make your way through each one. You would get to keep one pokemon from the previous region to start off as level 5 for balance purposes before going into the next.

Ah... a fan can dream.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:03 PM

View PostTellia, on 11 January 2013 - 07:53 AM, said:

i havent played a pokemon game since fire red/leaf green. i like the idea of pokemon still, but the "defeat 8 trainers and then the elite 4" and the bad-guy-team subplots have worn very thin over the years for me. i mean i know its aimed at younger audiences and the plot shouldnt be too complicated, but i dont think its necessary for the plots to be 99% identical. thats my main gripe with the series and why i dont play it anymore. its just playing the same game with a couple minigame things added to it each time and double battles and crap. its not enough for me to play through the same plot every time after doing it so many times already.

the gamecube game whatever it was called didnt have the open-world that everyone wanted from a 3d console pokemon game, but i enjoyed it cause it was different from the handheld rehash. different plot, different kind of setting, fresh graphics style.

will i play this? maybe. it just might have been long enough since i last played a pokemon game that i might give a crap. i just have to hope 1 of my friends buys a 3ds and this game that i can borrow, cause i certainly wont be buying a 3ds for myself...

I agree with most of this.
Don't know if I'll bothering buying a 3DS just for this though.

While this is long overdue, I wonder if the game might actually be cutdown a lot and be rather minimalist because of the 3d graphics.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:34 AM

View PostKokocat, on 11 January 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

end the franchise

I laughed harder at this than I should have. Yeah, you can dream.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:37 AM

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 10:16 AM

Greatest news :) Really looking forward to it.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:13 AM

Played red and blue like crazy....skipped everything in between....got an itch and bought white/black, but ended up playing it for like 30 minutes before getting bored out of my mind. What turned me off most about all these new iterations of pokemon are the ridiculous names some of the pokemon have. People can bond with there pikachu's, but it gets pretty difficult to bond with a pokemon named trubbish, or hurrdurr, or foongus, or purugly, etc... I know they are running out of names, but soon we might have pokemon named turd, or pile of crap, or emosaur, or nympho =p.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:28 AM

Well, for me pokemon wore thin, not that I lost my interest in it, just that Buying almost everygame from saphire/Ruby Emeral gen, I realised that it's a never ending chain to con us loyal fans out of our money, the newer games I have no beef with, in fact some of the designs I loved, don't know the english name but 6th's gen 3rd grass starter evolution looked so badass. It came to the time where I realised I can't stop eating every game they throw at me, because a new one will be right down the corner, and it just begins to feel like I'm being milked for my money, remember the time when a new gen coming out was a big deal? Now it just feels tiresome and boring


What is X/Y like the 7 or 8th gen? It doesn't even feel like a day has passed since the release of Blk/Whte 2 can you imagine how the  consumers must feel? Buying every single game and being slapped in the face with a new one that they didn't see coming So I'm glad I stopped at Pokemon Diamond and pearl.


As for the console games, they where amazing, they don't pass on new gens for the sake of it and they came once in a while coliseum I loved, the story line was unconventional and unique, gale of darkness was just as good and Pokemon battle revolution, lets just say it will be some time before I pass it up it is just so fun.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:25 PM

I think the starter pokemon get lamer each generation. That said last time I played was quite a few years ago, Ruby on the game boy advanced.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:27 AM

I do wish they'd do more to address the older fans.  It should certainly remain primarily as a kids game, but they're completely ignoring the fact there are people who grew up playing the games 15 years ago.  Black & White 2 were pretty good, but being the first proper sequels, that seemed like the perfect chance to ride off the fact that most players had probably either played many of the older games, or had at least played Black & White 1.  They did include a harder difficulty option, but you had to jump through hoops to unlock that and the Pokemon World Tournament was a great nostalgia ride, but there could have been so much more.

I will say that I disagree with those who constantly complain about the new Pokemon though.  Most of the designs are fine and finding out about new Pokemon and learning their strengths and weaknesses is one the best aspects of the games.  Many of the old designs were just as bad as many of the new ones are now and they're only held in high regard due to nostalgia.  I think it's especially telling that most people complaining are those who stopped playing the games after the first few.


View PostRobsy128, on 10 January 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

Don't even get me started on the 'legendary' Pokémon. They're becoming as common as Ratata.

The legendary Pokemon are still rare, each generation just introduces a few new ones.  The actual percentage of legendaries vs regular Pokemon is still very small.  That aside, I've never understood the argument.  Nobody complained about Bigfoot sightings because we already have enough mythological creature stories and learning about the myths and eventually tracking down and capturing the Legendaries is always one of the best aspects of the games.  Removing them because "there's too many" would be like not having a final boss in a fighting game, because it's already been done too many times.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:42 AM

View PostWinterSnowblind, on 24 January 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

The legendary Pokemon are still rare, each generation just introduces a few new ones.  The actual percentage of legendaries vs regular Pokemon is still very small.  That aside, I've never understood the argument.  Nobody complained about Bigfoot sightings because we already have enough mythological creature stories and learning about the myths and eventually tracking down and capturing the Legendaries is always one of the best aspects of the games.  Removing them because "there's too many" would be like not having a final boss in a fighting game, because it's already been done too many times.
I don't agree.

The difference is that mostly up until Gen 4, legendaries were more of a side quest. The first game to feature a legendary battle in the main story was Crystal, and I really wasn't a fan of having a guaranteed chance to meet Suicune every playthrough, I preferred the random encounter. Now they're in the main quest and more accessible, kind of losing that prestige value. In the original Gold and Silver Lugia and Ho-Oh were present, but you never had to find them.

Cerulean Cave, Sky Pillar, and the regi side quest are good examples in my opinion of what finding a legendary should be like. In Black and White it was ridiculously easy for me to find the legendaries.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:45 AM

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:40 PM

View PostWinterSnowblind, on 24 January 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

The legendary Pokemon are still rare, each generation just introduces a few new ones.  The actual percentage of legendaries vs regular Pokemon is still very small.  That aside, I've never understood the argument.  Nobody complained about Bigfoot sightings because we already have enough mythological creature stories and learning about the myths and eventually tracking down and capturing the Legendaries is always one of the best aspects of the games.  Removing them because "there's too many" would be like not having a final boss in a fighting game, because it's already been done too many times.

Continuing on with Edge's argument, you don't really have that 'rare' factor with the newer Pokémon. They're all really obvious to find and you can get them with one battle. I remember playing Red and Blue and desperately trying to find Mewtwo. I'm sure I had to jump through hoops to get him. I never caught Mew or Celebi, though. They were practically impossible to obtain. Yet in the new games - everyone has a legendary (and by everyone, I mean players).

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:31 PM

View PostRobsy128, on 25 January 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

Continuing on with Edge's argument, you don't really have that 'rare' factor with the newer Pokémon. They're all really obvious to find and you can get them with one battle. I remember playing Red and Blue and desperately trying to find Mewtwo. I'm sure I had to jump through hoops to get him. I never caught Mew or Celebi, though. They were practically impossible to obtain. Yet in the new games - everyone has a legendary (and by everyone, I mean players).

I disagree with these points completely.  Yes, you are always given the "main" legendary from each version as part of the story, although capturing it is rarely vital, but the others are still optional sidequests, some of which are far more difficult to locate than they were in the original games.  Look at the Regi trio for example, which involved working out a series of fairly complex puzzles by deciphering clues that were only given to you in braille.  Each one of the recent games have also had a set of Pokemon that "run" and can only be found by specifically cornering them into sections of the map (or by random chance).

Mewtwo may have seemed more difficult to obtain back in the day, simply because the internet was still in its early days and the locations of Pokemon were only passed around playgrounds as idle gossip, along the lines of "I heard if you do this and then go to....".  Even then, it's not like kids couldn't figure out how to find Mewtwo or at least one of the birds.  I don't think there was ever a time when Legendary Pokemon were uncommon and the ones like Mew, Celebi and more recently, Vicinini, are still hard to come by, due to the fact they rarely distribute them.

If anything, it's harder to locate them now (ignoring ones that have story points centred around them) and there's even a lot of non-legendary Pokemon these days that can only be found by evolving others in very specific ways, during specific seasons/days or in certain hidden areas.  There's a lot more complexity and nuance involved, the fact the information about them is so much easier to come by is not the fault of the games.




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