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#1 Nabuko Darayon

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:46 PM

What armor do you prefer?
What runes can you use?
Do you focus jewelry on Condi too?
How do you cast stuff with your weapons wand how can you maximize your condition experience?
Do you only stack bleed or add some flavour to it?
Is it worth going Condi in dungeons/WvW?
What weapons you use to maximize the damage from condi? Staff? D/D? S/D?
What utility and Elite do you use?
Explain me your pwnage condi combo spike.

Go! :o

Edited by Nabuko Darayon, 10 January 2013 - 08:04 PM.


#2 Thaddeuz

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:26 PM

This is the Build i use on my Elementalist.

Trait
Fire (30pts) : Internal Fire, Pyromancer's Alacrity, Pyromancer's Puissance
Earth (30pts) : Salt Stone, Strength of Stone, Serrated Stones
Acarne (10pts) : Elemental Attunement

Gear
Armor and Weapons: Carrion (I'm not comfortable with 10K hp so with Carrion i get 14K hp with good Power/Condition Dmg)
Back Item and Rings : Rabid (I would prefer Rampage, but Ascended stats set are limited)
Neck and Earings : Rampager
Runes : Condition duration is you friend here.
Sigil : For now i'm still need to play more with my Elementalist to see which Sigil would be best for me. I don't get enough critical chance to use a critical chance sigil, i don't like using charge of kill sigil and i don't always switch attunement often during some fight so no Swap Sigil, so i have to choose between Sigil of Agony, Sigil of Smoldering, Sigil of Accuracy or Sigil of Force.

Skills
Glypgh of Elemental Harmony : i try to use it when i'm in Water attunement for regeneration
Lighning Flash : I always have it, so usefull.
Arcane Shield : Also a great skill. I use it mainly to revive ally in dangerous situation, to give me enough time to heal myself after i took a huge attack or when i'm out of dodge.
Mist Form : In some occasion, its a safety net. But i tend to use it less and less.
Cleasing Fire : I use is for situation when i'll probably get a lot of condition and that my water 5th skill won't be enough.
Frost Bow : In AC, this is a must.
Other than that Acane Power and Acane Blast is alway good skills.

Elite Skill : Fiery Greatsword give you a high dps, while Elemental Glyph can give dps (Fire) or tanky (Earth).



Gameplay
I use mainly Fire/Earth attunement with a Specter/Dagger weapon set.

Fire : I use the rotation skils 4-2-3 as often as i can because each time i do it give me 6 stack of might (in combinaison with the Trait Pyromancer's Puissance i usually got between 15 and 25 stack of might on my own. Other then that i use auto-attack and skill 5 (your foe should be almost always buring so skill 5 gonna make maximum dmg).
Earth : With the 2 dagger skill in Fire attunement, you gonna be in short range. For more difficult foe in melee, i use Earth. Your main dps come from the Auto-Attack so you can focus on evade attack and dodge. After that you use skill 4 to interrupt foe and help teamates or when a melee mobs run after you. Use skill 5 in combinaison with skill 4 (to protect you) only in high density mobs zone (other than that it don't give you a high dps). Skill 2 help a little against ranged foe, but the attack is useless. A well timed skill 3 can save dmg to you or a friend.
Water : When you are in a bad situation skill 5 heal and remove a condition, while skill 3 heal. Skill 4 can help if foe surround you and you wanna run away but i use it rarely. The other way i use water is for better pure dmg against object (not affected by critical and condition). I use only the auto-attack since the skill 2 do less dmg but give vulnerability which is usuless against object.
Air: I only use it for the speed and mouvement. Swtifness on attunement swap and on skill 5 (with a evade). The skill 4 allow you to go faster.

Edited by Thaddeuz, 10 January 2013 - 11:50 PM.


#3 Nabuko Darayon

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:14 AM

View PostThaddeuz, on 10 January 2013 - 09:26 PM, said:

This is the Build i use on my Elementalist.

I find your build very informative. You've put it all together very nicely. Thanks for sharing :)

#4 Thaddeuz

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:43 PM

My pleasure.

I just finished to build my Engineer and Guardian so now i'm put my focus on my Elementalist to experiment with it and make the chance needed. If anybody got any thought on my build that would be nice.

#5 Senatic

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:04 PM

Thaddeuz explained the general build pretty well. There are variations on it, but he covered the most common usages. I would only like to add that consumables can greately increase your damage output. I suggest using:

Master Tuning Crystal(Gain condition damage equal to 6% of your toughness and 4% of your vitality.) In total this consumable will give u about 150 extra condition damage.
This consumable benefits best from a full Carrion set as well as Chrysocola accessories and stacks well with the rune of undead which gives you an additional 5% for a total of 11% of your toughness as condition damage.


And

Rare Veggi Pizzas (40% extra condition duration and +70 condition damage.)

Edited by Senatic, 11 January 2013 - 02:11 PM.


#6 Thaddeuz

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:17 PM

You need to be careful with condition duration. If you play solo go for it, but in group it depend on the group composition. If you play with 1 other condition player, the chance that your foe have perma burn and constant 25 stack of bleed is high. I already use 2 rune of Lyssa (10% cond. duration), 2 rune of the mad king (10% cond. duration) and 2 rune of the krait (15% bleed duration), i this situation happen really often.

A good way to play would be to use condition damage runes (and not condition duration runes) and eat Rare Veggi Pizzas when your current group can't stack enough condition to reach the maximum. If you prefer play solo use Condition duration on your runes and food.

#7 Nabuko Darayon

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:08 PM

View PostSenatic, on 11 January 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

Thaddeuz explained the general build pretty well. There are variations on it, but he covered the most common usages. I would only like to add that consumables can greately increase your damage output. I suggest using:

Master Tuning Crystal(Gain condition damage equal to 6% of your toughness and 4% of your vitality.) In total this consumable will give u about 150 extra condition damage.
This consumable benefits best from a full Carrion set as well as Chrysocola accessories and stacks well with the rune of undead which gives you an additional 5% for a total of 11% of your toughness as condition damage.


And

Rare Veggi Pizzas (40% extra condition duration and +70 condition damage.)

Cool, thanks for this info.

View PostThaddeuz, on 11 January 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

You need to be careful with condition duration. If you play solo go for it, but in group it depend on the group composition. If you play with 1 other condition player, the chance that your foe have perma burn and constant 25 stack of bleed is high. I already use 2 rune of Lyssa (10% cond. duration), 2 rune of the mad king (10% cond. duration) and 2 rune of the krait (15% bleed duration), i this situation happen really often.

A good way to play would be to use condition damage runes (and not condition duration runes) and eat Rare Veggi Pizzas when your current group can't stack enough condition to reach the maximum. If you prefer play solo use Condition duration on your runes and food.

Well I usually do dungeons/fractals these days and plan on changing to WvW soon so that's what I'm asking. I wouldn't have a problem with team play even with someone who adds conditions without condi build as long as I have fast recharges in which I can constantly upkeep the condi damage while doing some power damage while casting spells.

#8 Nabuko Darayon

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:08 PM

Earth (30pts) : Salt Stone, Strength of Stone, Serrated Stones

I have my doubts with the Strength of Stone trait, at least when it comes to Staff... I kinda feel that I'd need more of Geomancer's Alacrity to spam Eruption and Shockwave faster.
I can see why Strength would be needed for S/D combo





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