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#1021 Sirandar

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:25 PM

View PostMrZero, on 30 January 2013 - 07:06 PM, said:

Yo. What you do with your bone is your own business mang.

Where have you guys been? I have a new character with a new build that I want to try out on you guys.

Agreed!  Honestly, the last time I took a beating was from you guys on Friday.  I look forward to our next encounter.  It might be a while (if reset has any say) but we'll be back.  Learned a lot and that is the fun part .... adapting and reacting!

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#1022 d3monz

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:33 PM

SoS has hardly ever been stacked as JQ is at the moment.

As an unofficial oceanic server, we just had the numbers during aussie peak times where we dominated and gained a lot of points. Heck, theres not even a big established Oceanic guild that focuses only on WvW.

During american peak times, the scores between JQ and SoS was pretty darn close.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:39 PM

FFS Enough of the population crying already. Adapt and overcome or GTFO.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:47 PM

View PostSirandar, on 30 January 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

Honestly guys, I don't want to take away from what JQ and BG are doing.  You both came out and kicked us around.  I can only speak for myself but I think it was a wake up call for SoS.

No need to add fire to all the drama but I urge the real players (not the trolls here) to take what you read here with a GIGANTIC grain of salt.  Just because someone creates an account and posts does not mean they speak for an entire server.  So whatever 'chest bumping' should be dismissed as a poster trying to get attention.  Ignore.

If you heard this and that about SoS from <insert guild name>, take it with another grain of salt.  Two sides to every tale!  You don't have all the facts so no reason to get sucked in.

See you all on the battlefield in the not so distant future.  I have a bone to pick with SF!   Much respect to you guys

I honestly look forward to seeing [TSym] on the battlefield for the first time since it's Dragonbrand days. With this recent fix to culling it will be nice to actually see you!

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:52 PM

View Postd3monz, on 30 January 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

SoS has hardly ever been stacked as JQ is at the moment.

As an unofficial oceanic server, we just had the numbers during aussie peak times where we dominated and gained a lot of points. Heck, theres not even a big established Oceanic guild that focuses only on WvW.

During american peak times, the scores between JQ and SoS was pretty darn close.

You cannot just say SoS is'nt as stacked as JQ is now statement and expect us to give it credibility.

When someone says a server is stacked - he is talking in RELATIVE terms. Since you are from SoS, let me explain to you in simple terms.

Lets say server A has 30 people and server B has 85. People from server A call server B stacked.

After fighting for 2 months as an underdog server A recruits and now its total population increases to 100 people. People from server B call server A stacked.

Advantage Server B had over server A: 85 - 30 = 55 people (183.33% more people)
Advantage Server A now has over Server B = 100 - 85 = 15 people ( 17.64% more people)

People from Server B cry say," Server A is more stacked than Server B ever was". Intelligent folks from Server A reply,"Yes we do have a slight advantage now, but if you were not massively over stacked - we would not have called for reinforcements."

[Although I spent my precious time typing this, I expect very few from my target audience will understand this]

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:53 PM

View Postcoronbale, on 30 January 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

Yea Jed, you knocked our d*#% in the dirt on shuffle, be ready for payback :)

I want to massively tip my hat to the guilds and teams of JQ. New transfers, old salts, and pugs alike (agreed, if that pisses you off, go **** yourself). You have rallied the armies, united the tribes, and led an army on the field that we were not prepared for.  Not that you need an SoS member to say it, but this week was well deserved. EMP, you continue to surprise me, your defensive ability borders on the magical. In future games, I would love to fight along side you (maybe ESO?), I feel I could learn much from your tactical leaders.  Until then, we be here to break your toys!

You guys built a monster of a team, I'm very honored to fight against you out there.  Keep up the great work, and keep those lessons coming! Some times people need a stomping to realize they are in need of a change, your handing them out like a dealer in Vegas.

/salute

You guys are one team I'm forced to show field respect to.  By field respect, I mean actually have to tactically think my battle out with body movements, proper kiting, certain players at X locations.  You guys are doing it right even though you appear to me to be a lot more serious than my team in militarism.  We appreciate fighting a team such as yours that I see as redeveloping out of just a zerg team, to one that is getting properly organized with their numbers to prevent an internal collapse.  To this, I say good job, our team is taking a break just like you guys out there to just get some PvE in and a much needed break from WvW.  We'll see you guys out there, I look forward to some working on reverse engineering what is brought to the table as usual.

#1027 Kreen

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:06 PM

View PostCirus, on 30 January 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

Sea of Sorrows isn't at half mast right now, we're still fighting as hard as we can, and we're still fighting for 1st. 2nd place does not interest us one bit, we only want to fight and kill Jade Quarry, our strongest opponent.

This is not correct.  Many SoS folks are taking it easy since Monday. Several of your guild leaders have posted they are taking stock, re-planning etc to come back stronger. Some of your more prominent leaders are taking a break as well. You are not fielding the same numbers you have done in previous weeks and in fact many of the folks I have come up against since Monday even in the main guilds appear to be playing alts. There were also many folks sporting guild tags and many non guilded players I ran into compared to those main guild blobs I used to see. There is no denying that we are putting out numbers this week, particularly during the start of the week but SoS are not showing up. I was on JQ BL last night and I saw one SoS person running map completion in my three hours of play. We had some fun fights with BG though, thank you for providing some fun BG.

Hence, its hardly surprising the scores are so one sided is it. You are not fighting as hard as you can do so don't state otherwise. You cannot compare this match ups score gap with other prior score gaps apart from the last time we won and you all gave up by Tuesday as well.

Prior to transfer deadline day, JQ had to do more with less. I do not deny our numbers are higher now. However, as a server we never gave up and the core kept fighting to the end to try to keep the gap as close as possible. This is why those previous gaps you stated of 10-20K cannot be compared with this match up.

Honestly, I really do wonder what SoS's core what's out of WvW. If if looks a little bit too hard and things are not going your way then you just throw down tools. At least your small guilds and non guilded players still seem to want to fight.

I really hope you get it together in the coming days and weeks because as an WvW opponent I respect you greatly even if I do question your attitudes at times. You have challenged us and forced us to raise our game over the last 10 weeks and that was very welcome. Thats what we play these pvp games for right? To be challenged and surely not to WTF pwn and collect easy bags...

I do find it very insulting though to see a fair few SoS tagged posters talk about JQ on both here and gw2 forums as if its just some sort of zerg server with little skill. We certainly did not remain in T1 being being a zerg because for many weeks against you we had relatively small numbers. Now we have some more players, that does not mean we are any less skilled. We have alwasy done things differently to SoS but you should not confuse a different approach with a lesser approach - both approaches are valid and provides routes to success.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:16 PM

I have a healthy respect for Tsym, Agg and some days VotF. I don't know a lot about Merc, Work and any of the others tbh. But I'm familiar with reputation.

Tysm is like the mad scientist guild. Agg is just mad and kills their scientists (I think). VotF does some great work when they're not just farming badges. Now, it seems to me, that the little guy plays a much bigger role on SoS and that's a good thing. I'd love to see you guys run more 5 man teams. I mean, as it is players can take a camp solo. Even 5 can be overkill.

And I'm not saying SoS doesn't run 5 man teams, before anyone jams me up for that. I'm saying MORE of them. So should JQ! More so that we can have some smaller fights to get accurate measurable on how certain tricks and builds do versus other small groups.

Blackgate runs a lot of really good 3 to 10 player squads. They can teach the two bigger servers how to be more efficient with less players. This is what I'm hoping we'll start to see. Lately, I run away from blue pins and take a small group around. We might pop in to get the event (can always use more karma), but it's made a huge difference in my drop rate and badge aquisition.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:18 PM

View Postcoronbale, on 30 January 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

and pugs alike (agreed, if that pisses you off, go **** yourself).

Good post,

I don't mind the word pug (pick up group) as long as its used as intended. Its the way it is used and the player behaviours that are attached to it that I have a problem with. When people from your server state that pugs waste supply, don't know what they are doing, run away all the time, can't see the strategy picture, don't know one end of a ram from the other, take up spots on a map etc I begin to question how much value those same folks place on the community their success is built on. Just because someone is in WvW from a small guild or unguilded it does not mean their contribution is less or that they are some sort of WvW noob.

In fact you could argue that a 40 man single guilded blob taking a supply camp or killing a yak is making a lesser contribution per map slot than the three people running in a 3 way mixed guild group doing the same.

Edited by Kreen, 30 January 2013 - 08:25 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:22 PM

Kreen, during Oceanic primetime, MERC, DiE, AFS, OCX, and ND were out in full force tonight, with their usual numbers and with the usual large amounts of militia fighting with them. MERC didn't log off until 4am local time. This is no different to every other night except that our defensive structures are made out of wood and our enemies are of tier 3. We managed to close the gap on Blackgate by 10k, and we did it while attacking Jade Quarry for the majority of the time.

FOO were stalking us in multiple borderlands, also ran into some of the newer JQ transfers such as Val and Cok! (don't laugh!)

Edited by Cirus, 30 January 2013 - 08:26 PM.


#1031 Kreen

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:28 PM

View PostCirus, on 30 January 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

Kreen, during Oceanic primetime, MERC, DiE, AFS, OCX, and ND were out in full force tonight, with their usual numbers and with the usual large amounts of militia fighting with them. MERC didn't log off until 4am local time. This is no different to every other night except that our defensive structures are made out of wood and our enemies are of tier 3. We managed to close the gap on Blackgate by 10k, and we did it while attacking Jade Quarry for the majority of the time.

FOO were stalking us in multiple borderlands, also ran into some of the newer JQ transfers such as Val and Cok! (don't laugh!)

Its great that you folks have come out to play again. I have no idea who Val and Cok are :) I am sure I will find out soon and we will welcome them to JQ. As I said in another post, we really only know which guilds came to the server if we actually had contact with them beforehand. The server caps were raised by Anet and the rest is history.

Edited by Kreen, 30 January 2013 - 08:31 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:42 PM

View PostKreen, on 30 January 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

Good post,

I don't mind the word pug (pick up group) as long as its used as intended. Its the way it is used and the player behaviours that are attached to it that I have a problem with. When people from your server state that pugs waste supply, don't know what they are doing, run away all the time, can't see the strategy picture, don't know one end of a ram from the other, take up spots on a map etc I begin to question how much value those same folks place on the community their success is built on. Just because someone is in WvW from a small guild or unguilded it does not mean their contribution is less or that they are some sort of WvW noob.

In fact you could argue that a 40 man single guilded blob taking a supply camp or killing a yak is making a lesser contribution per map slot than the three people running in a 3 way mixed guild group doing the same.
You are absolutely brilliant, and you may take your pick from any of my concubines, or sheep, dealers choice.

The fact that people devalue a small team because they are small is moronic in the extreme.  Some of the biggest guilds in the game misuse their resources like is their job.  For every camp, yak, and stealth siege that a huge team (like my own) performs, an angel should cry bacon tears.  The list of things a small team can do FAR exceed the list of things they cannot do, and until this gets sorted out, the bacon will fall...

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:45 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 30 January 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

I have a healthy respect for Tsym, Agg and some days VotF. I don't know a lot about Merc, Work and any of the others tbh. But I'm familiar with reputation.

Tysm is like the mad scientist guild. Agg is just mad and kills their scientists (I think). VotF does some great work when they're not just farming badges. Now, it seems to me, that the little guy plays a much bigger role on SoS and that's a good thing. I'd love to see you guys run more 5 man teams. I mean, as it is players can take a camp solo. Even 5 can be overkill.

And I'm not saying SoS doesn't run 5 man teams, before anyone jams me up for that. I'm saying MORE of them. So should JQ! More so that we can have some smaller fights to get accurate measurable on how certain tricks and builds do versus other small groups.

Blackgate runs a lot of really good 3 to 10 player squads. They can teach the two bigger servers how to be more efficient with less players. This is what I'm hoping we'll start to see. Lately, I run away from blue pins and take a small group around. We might pop in to get the event (can always use more karma), but it's made a huge difference in my drop rate and badge aquisition.
btw, i asked to have a constructive point and counter point debate with agg's scientists, to further explore the fundamentals of strategy and its uses in the larger scale reality that is wvw.  They grunted and said something about scientists tasting like chicken.  Be very scared...

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:53 PM

It's far more than how many we got on JQ to be honest. Prior to the influx of people we had a solid, quality core of guilds and people that, even when out-numbered or (apparently) being double-teamed didn't give up, throw in the towel or quit. We always kept fighting, sometimes even if it meant abandoning a map due to not enough people and shoring up others, which happened on many occasions. But now, in addition to those of us that have been there for all this time we gained not only more people, but some incredibly fun and tenacious ones at that. Strike Force, for example, is a blast to WvW with both in TS and in the field. I'd do my usual map over-lording (calling out swords and attacks) and more often then not I'd hear "SF is already responding".

So, ultimately, I think that's what the chatter is about. We didn't just get people and guilds. We got people and guilds that are amazing.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:55 PM

A little timeline:
1. SoS came to T1, got DiE and that was the last large guild transfer.  We had numerical superiority in 2 out of 3 timeslots on an outrageous scale.

2. PRX left SoS, we lost our primetime "roaming zerg" but maintained parity or better with JQ in NA primetime and retained our gigantic advantage in Oceanic timeslots.  War Machine leaves SBI, taking away their overnight firewall.

3. BG joins T1, SoS is heavily outmanned on Euro times but maintains inertia due to depleted BG numbers and JQ's exhaustion on not being able to do better than 2nd.

4. PRX goes to JQ, SoS loses numerical superiority in NA primetime.

5. SBI and IoJ fall apart, a large percentage of SBI hardcore WvW'rs go to JQ.

6. JQ has superior coverage in Euro and NA to all servers (SoR?) and has only slight numerical disadvantage in Oceanic timeslots.


All of this matters diddly.  This is simply an indicator of how much any server will have to step up their game to beat them now.  There is no use complaining about it, saying "what if", or trying to lawyer away why they are winning.  Either step up your game til their numbers do not matter, or stop complaining about it.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:03 PM

SBI was falling apart before 4 and SF relocated pretty much at the same exact time as PrX by a few hours to go to JQ.  After that, everyone asked for my server analysis to see if JQ could be a home for them.  Now you have a bunch of SBI teams on JQ as well.  Oh and a bunch of teams did go to SoR because they have this thing instilled in their blood that they just have to fight and hate JQ.  I looked past the role playing of our war and looked at logistics.  SoR seemed to be the best place to go to kill ppl on JQ for those ppl and not have the feeling of "bandwagoning" to a T1 server.  I personally could give two shits what ppl think of myself and my guild for transferring to JQ.  I've posted my analysis and reasoning.  Those who think other than what I wrote out in facts that we collected, reading is fundamental..

By the way, I'm not trying to be controversial or anything, I'm just stating stuff from my point of view of how things happened, I'm not arguing with anyone.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:06 PM

View PostJedbacca, on 30 January 2013 - 09:03 PM, said:

SBI was falling apart before 4 and SF relocated pretty much at the same exact time as PrX by a few hours to go to JQ.  After that, everyone asked for my server analysis to see if JQ could be a home for them.  Now you have a bunch of SBI teams on JQ as well.
It took you guys a little while to complete the transfer and integrate.  PRX was ready to go at reset that week.  That's why I separate them on the timeline.  Last week and this week are worlds apart from how JQ has been playing.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:10 PM

View PostKreen, on 30 January 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

I do love that name and they run a very good small man. I saw a few on JQ a few nights ago so not sure if they switched from BG or were just checking us out with a view to switching.

Awww really? I'd be bummed if they left BG, if only for the LOL guild name factor alone. Again, I'd heard they are a skilled group though, so that would be a tough loss for the server. They weren't involved in the BG community website at all though as far as I know, so anything is possible.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:14 PM

View PostVolkon, on 30 January 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

So, ultimately, I think that's what the chatter is about. We didn't just get people and guilds. We got people and guilds that are amazing.

That's true.  JQ got quantity and quality.  It just seems like there isn't a foreseeable time, especially with free transfers closed, when those quality wvwers will ever be pushed to the limit, because of the quantity.  I mean, JQ had the match wrapped up by Sunday, and just look at some of the quotes earlier in the thread...

View PostVihar, on 29 January 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

Sadly, I did not get much time in WvW yesterday. :(
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All in all, it was a night of crappy, boring, suck PVE for most of us,

View Postwondowondo, on 29 January 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

i hear that. That was SF 2 weeks ago. Even now on JQ we're not putting in the crazy hours we were on SBI. It's much more fun to play when you aren't stressing overtime.

View PostJedbacca, on 29 January 2013 - 07:44 PM, said:

Trolling aside, you guys do throw down a good fight and have forced us to go from chill mode, let's just be lazy tonight to, God damnit now we have to actually start playing the damn game again!  


And was SoS pushing it to the limit during its reign?  Again, in their own words:

View PostJ E R I C O, on 29 January 2013 - 09:14 AM, said:

agg hasnt been in force the past 2 days because 70% of our guild kinda wants a break from wvw'ing 10 + hrs daily.

I think most serious WvWers were hoping that T1 somehow got balanced and competitive when free transfers closed.  The evidence so far suggests that this magic never happened.

Edited by Stinky Garbage, 30 January 2013 - 09:25 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:31 PM

Oh and Stinky, the quote that you have in there of me is in regards to having to try harder in WvW.  Sure we have a lot of ...good fights, yet when you run in to certain teams out there, you know you have to buck up.  SF is in WvW pretty much every night and has been for a couple of months now.  With working with each other day in and day out, you get this mind numbing Korean feel to the team that you really don't communicate team movement rather than just shooting the breeze.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:38 PM

View PostStinky Garbage, on 30 January 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

wall O stuff

You are the problem with your server.  Go to your commanders see what is going on.  Push other people that WvW to get out there thick or thin and do stuff push one map if you have to!  Bring the change that you want to see.  We did it countless weeks on end, when all seemed most lost we went out again and did what we do.

Quit complaining and do something about it.  You have the numbers, get them back into WvW, or at least find out why they aren't there.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:43 PM

View PostGlobal_GW2, on 30 January 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

Awww really? I'd be bummed if they left BG, if only for the LOL guild name factor alone. Again, I'd heard they are a skilled group though, so that would be a tough loss for the server. They weren't involved in the BG community website at all though as far as I know, so anything is possible.
Yeah HOMO bandwagoned to JQ, not sure they were paid the 1K gold or not but they were attempting to take BGs SoSBL spawn tower with about 20 other JQ the night BG held SoS's Garrison for about 6 hours with a handful of people. BG also fought off JQ and HOMO at both sides of the map with between 12-17 players for over an hour, while SoS wanted their Garrison back.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:00 PM

View PostWotah, on 30 January 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

You are the problem with your server.  Go to your commanders see what is going on.  Push other people that WvW to get out there thick or thin and do stuff push one map if you have to!  Bring the change that you want to see.  We did it countless weeks on end, when all seemed most lost we went out again and did what we do.

Quit complaining and do something about it.  You have the numbers, get them back into WvW, or at least find out why they aren't there.

Settle down, Obama.  There's no reason to get upset over any of this.  I'm not saying you're bad.  I'm actually saying you have lots of great players.  But they just aren't being pushed to the limit, and for the forseeable future, it looks like they won't be.  

I'm saying WvW isn't balanced.  Are you honestly arguing the opposite?

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:20 PM

View PostPntNlul, on 30 January 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

What I am reading here is that SoS is supposed to be the only ones to stack a server with ridiculous numbers.  Now that people have the same playing field, everyone is wrong and SoS was right.  Culling is gone so the only tactic used properly (culling abuse) is gone too.  Even numbers, no cheesy culling issues with 60 people, and ..... SoS no longer enjoys wvwvw.  SoS did not think this super server through?


Then you have terrible reading comprehension because that's not what I said at all. I in no way said SoS was stacked as hell and now that JQ is I'm crying foul. It looks like the public school system has failed again.

Also, I love the accusations of hypocrisy about populations and then in the next sentence say we abused culling issues. I guess SoS were the only ones who portal bombed, right?

And "now there's no cheesy culling issues"? Are you even playing this week? All you guys do is ball up, might stack, run into the enemy before you render. You think you're master strategists and not just abusing mechanics? LOL.

SoS was never as stacked as JQ currently is. When we got our "influx" of transfers it was a handful of real guilds, the majority of them being oceanic transfers. We won through coverage. JQ on the other hand has had what, a dozen guilds transfer? Even on reset night you outnumbered us 20 - 1. So no, I don't think there's a lot of people interested in that.

And please stop giving this "we didn't give up" crap. The reason you "didn't give up" is because you weren't really outnumbered that badly. Hence my whole argument (omg putting 2 and 2 together - amazing!)

EDIT: Reading about SoS lack of class on these forums. Gonna let you guys in on a secret: It's an internet forum. Everyone's a troll. Naivete is a delicacy among trolls. And people who make comments like that are delicious!

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:38 PM

Here, put this in to perspective, this should make things all simple because you all suck with schmoozing each others junk over

SoS
-Running a buncha weeks pretty hard to stay in first
-Teams putting in extra hours to maintain rank over health
-This server is tired because of the top two things listed
-The core teams of SoS have not relocated, they are still very much allocated on their respective server
-Server presence will be strong after the allocated breaks and refreshments at the SoS bbq and dance off

BG
-Consistent in attendance thus far in T1
-Capability of bouncing back in force from a T2 drop and not falling apart
-Stable server for any teams to transfer to based upon the core teams ability to stick through thick and thin
-Gained a bad reputation from previous forum warriors that are no longer located on said server
-Stable server that can maintain in a T1 competition given some learning curve time with some of the more greener teams out there
-Veteran teams putting on a good show in general and it looks like wealth of knowledge is being passed to PuG base

JQ
-Capability of surviving in T1 competition with a skeleton crew, this cascading in to a smaller team dealing with higher numbers effect
-When on SBI I had witnessed that JQ had gaps in coverage and were unable to field over a maps worth of teams
-Recruitment campaign successful by asking particular teams to transfer to the community before transfer lockout
-Sidenote to recruitment: The approach was very personal to each team involved
-With new teams on boarded to the new server, presence and "honeymoon" will be in effect for a while before things settle out on the server, this causing higher activity all round for WvW on the JQ server BL’s until the initial dust settles
-Server is now capable of rotating multiple guilds in and out of WvW and still have a healthy map presence giving breaks to teams that have been out there non-stop preventing burnout

SBI (This needs a timeline thing..)
Keep in mind this is from my perspective since I was heavily involved throughout all of this
October/November
Two primary teams running in WvW during October and November events.  SF and LoD as primary teams to handle large zergs on a nightly basis consistently swapping maps to maintain.  The remainder of teams that are still active in WvW that have left SBI have all stayed alive as a guild by running guild events and doing a lot of PvE during this period with spurts of assistance in WvW, but not consistent.  LoD leaves the SBI teams.  This being one of the last larger team presence during prime time NA.  The remainder of teams during NA prime start to pull longer shifts to maintain and giving it their all.  This pool is roughly 200-400 players spread across all maps.
December
WM leaves and SBI takes a rather large morale hit.  Remaining teams continue to press on without their WM brethren backing them up.  For consistency sake, WM would take a week here or there for a break, the primary teams that stayed consistent during these hours on a weekly basis were NYS, YAKI, SYN…the list goes on.  By the time WM had left their presence was already on the decline so it wasn’t a huge hit until it was more vocalized.  As word of mouth carries, teams decide to flow to Kaineng or other servers.  Map chat becomes polluted with negativity about how doomed the server is.  This will cascade in to a domino effect that starts to pull teams/people away from WvW in general.

January
SBI is unable to organize teams properly or do any full blown recruitment for various reasons that will go unsaid in a public forum.  Regardless, there were many attempts made to recruit for the server, other teams decided not to come for their reasons that they are right to have.  With the numbers dwindling and teams not wanting to see a server die out in something they love to do or have to fight outnumbers all the time for weeks until their server drops, a decision was made by multiple team leads to go their separate ways.

My gaming life in GW2 started on SBI and I got to witness the server go on a downhill slope first hand.  From a personal perspective it was just a participation factor all in all that had quote, unquote “killed” the server in WvW.  Had there been more of a healthy maintenance of the WvW community by all parties participating, I’m sure you would see a different SBI today.  The fact of the matter is, is it was too many small teams out there not bonded together to form Voltron when needed after time going on.  I have noticed so far that JQ has done a great job in their community to include everyone.  This has streamlined the utilization of resources to the max enabling teams to move freely and more stress free feeling backed up.

End of a really long wall of text, sorry, but I figured I’d put more of an analysis down than my emotions, but a lot of this is observation from my perspective.

#1046 Fidee

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:52 PM

Is it just a rumor or gossip?  I'm hearing that JQ is now paying guilds to transfer.  1000 gold to
EDMW (Sea) to transfer?

Is it true?

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:59 PM

View PostFidee, on 30 January 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Is it just a rumor or gossip?  I'm hearing that JQ is now paying guilds to transfer.  1000 gold to
EDMW (Sea) to transfer?

Is it true?
EDMW has already transferred lol they transferred before it was pay to transfer.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:01 PM

View PostStei, on 30 January 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:

EDMW has already transferred lol they transferred before it was pay to transfer.

That wasn't the question.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:10 PM

View PostFidee, on 30 January 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Is it just a rumor or gossip?  I'm hearing that JQ is now paying guilds to transfer.  1000 gold to
EDMW (Sea) to transfer?

Is it true?

You can't be freaking serious....

No. Not true.

We HAVE helped guilds kickstart their guild influence. No payments for transfer. That's freakin slanderous right there.

That's that old trick. Ask a question that makes the person or people sound horrible, no matter what they answer, the thought is out there.

Like if I said "Fidee, are you still wetting the bed?"

I know you don't but I can ask it and smear you by asking.

#1050 Stei

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:10 PM

View PostFidee, on 30 January 2013 - 11:01 PM, said:

That wasn't the question.
We didn't pay anyone to transfer to our server. If you want to accuse us of doing such a thing bring something like hard evidence or stop accusing its getting annoying.




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