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[Tarkus]

Stei, on 13 January 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

I wouldn't call JQ a pet to SoS. Simply because we hit you guys both at the same time means nothing. It's quite frankly us both trying to break something that hasn't been broken this match up. In short you should be happy in the sense that it's the only keep on the BL's not to have been flipped at least once this weekend.

^ this.
Doubleteaming does not mean collusion, if two competitors are going for the same target that does not mean we're working together. I couldn't count the times where JQ has jumped in on a BG cap of a tower/keep where JQ has come out ahead, and every time this happens we're always joking in map chat about "our allies".

There is a massive difference between opportunism and collusion, as seen by last nights rush of BG bl's hills keep; where we scouted golums coming to the keep, and so we tried to get there in time only to see that they were already at inner. The BG force, lead by a commander from TEAM ran by the back of them and wiped the JQ force only to have the JQ force double in size 5 minutes later and wipe the BG zerg. This shit just happens in T1, but it was a good show nevertheless.

Edited by Tarkus, 13 January 2013 - 11:42 PM.

[Waage83]

I hope that JQ and SoS are working together because i need a challenge. Now i know enough about how randoms move and how a map movement will be to know that most of the time when you think you are getting attacked by both it is nothing more then perception or how pugs act.

It is the nature of things. I personally could not give a rats ass if both servers where in the closed right now making out and making plans. All that means is that there are more keeps for me to take and skulls for my pile.

Now BG will most likely lose this as we do not have the numbers of JQ and SoS, but who cares. I murdered a small countries worth of SoS and JQ today so i am happy.

Yes both will hit us as we are the weak server and so freaking what. We are BG we play to fight the biggest one and not to get the easy win.

Edited by Waage83, 13 January 2013 - 11:45 PM.

[ChocPudding]

BarronofDiE, on 13 January 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

Let me give you a tip here mate. SoS was outmanned. We covered our side of the map to gain some sort of foothold from the ever-growing JQ ball of death that was hitting us from the south...and the [Thai], [Urge], [HB], [LLB] zerg hitting us from the north. Blackgate owned one asset....the Garisson. A tier 3 Garisson in which JQ had breached. So we decided to join the party and wipe the JQ zerg and then fight the Blackgate zerg....both of which were double our size. Keeping in mind the entire time we were outmanned.

The funniest part about this match up...is [HB] & [Thai] trying to take our tier 3 Bay for about 6 hours and wiping. Then JQ coming in straight after. Where you cry 2v1....i cry i dont have enough room in my pack for all the loot.

Barron. Thx for including the LLB tag. But not needed coz there were only 2 LLB there including myself

Say hi to Mooon for me

[coronbale]

Waage83, on 13 January 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

It is the nature of things. I personally could not give a rats ass if both servers where in the closed right now making out and making plans. All that means is that there are more keeps for me to take and skulls for my pile.

JQ, GG this week!  Our place, 830, well bring the ball gag but could you pick up another bull whip?  Ours broke on our last strategy session!

One of the biggest whiplash changes you are going to have to get used to, is the use of strategy in our tier.  If you decision on which enemy to hit is easy, and your doing it the same each time, your going to get rocked.  Each situation is diffrent, and second place has you reeling in more ways than one.  Let me give you an example.

YOUR HEAD - We are in second place, SoS is in first place, we need to take points away from SoS so we can catch up.  SoS is our target!

OUR HEAD - BG is our chief rival, we need to obliterate them off the map on every front, shoving their PPT down as far as possible

3RD PLACE HEAD - EVERYONE is our enemy, anyone we take points from gives us a distinct PPT bump by both depriving the servers ahead of us of points, as well as gaining points for us.

Your problem?  Thinking that our PPT is the only target.  You have to look at both fronts, possibly harder at the third place!  If OUR points are your only target, your going to look weak to third.  If third starts taking pieces out of you, we will join in!  Both first and second PPT are desired by third, if you give third no option but to attack first, you can orchestrate a 2v1!

Or you can continue to try and take on everyone like some kind of action hero.  Your call.

Your battle tactics are amazing, and on those alone you belong in T1.  Your meta strategy leaves something to be desired, and its something i would DEFINITELY be bringing up at your next server meeting.

Edited by coronbale, 14 January 2013 - 12:02 AM.

[Jedbacca]

coronbale, on 13 January 2013 - 11:53 PM, said:

JQ, GG this week!  Our place, 830, well bring the ball gag but could you pick up another bull whip?  Ours broke on our last strategy session!

Im still on the guest list right?

[OGBarron]

ChocPudding, on 13 January 2013 - 11:45 PM, said:

Barron. Thx for including the LLB tag. But not needed coz there were only 2 LLB there including myself

Say hi to Mooon for me

Haha! Will do! I included you because it doesnt matter whether you have 2 people on or 20....your always in the heart of a battle!

[Miahi]

BarronofDiE, on 13 January 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

Let me give you a tip here mate. SoS was outmanned. We covered our side of the map to gain some sort of foothold from the ever-growing JQ ball of death that was hitting us from the south...and the [Thai], [Urge], [HB], [LLB] zerg hitting us from the north. Blackgate owned one asset....the Garisson. A tier 3 Garisson in which JQ had breached. So we decided to join the party and wipe the JQ zerg and then fight the Blackgate zerg....both of which were double our size. Keeping in mind the entire time we were outmanned.

The funniest part about this match up...is [HB] & [Thai] trying to take our tier 3 Bay for about 6 hours and wiping. Then JQ coming in straight after. Where you cry 2v1....i cry i dont have enough room in my pack for all the loot.

A little tip for you mate, I wasn't crying, I was actually laughing at wiping 30 SoS with 10 pugs as JQ was inside our Lords room with their server on obvious 1 hour Q times and we took you both out while trying to keep 45 slots of bags clean. This was within hours of your "coincidental partnership" trying to clean us off the EBG map. I find it rather fun personally, watching two servers trying their hardest to give the new guy a breakout event that wont happen

[CalmLittleBuddy]

Waage83, on 13 January 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

I hope that JQ and SoS are working together because i need a challenge. Now i know enough about how randoms move and how a map movement will be to know that most of the time when you think you are getting attacked by both it is nothing more then perception or how pugs act.

It is the nature of things. I personally could not give a rats ass if both servers where in the closed right now making out and making plans. All that means is that there are more keeps for me to take and skulls for my pile.

Now BG will most likely lose this as we do not have the numbers of JQ and SoS, but who cares. I murdered a small countries worth of SoS and JQ today so i am happy.

Yes both will hit us as we are the weak server and so freaking what. We are BG we play to fight the biggest one and not to get the easy win.

Never heard of you. And neither have anyone else.

[coronbale]

Jedbacca, on 13 January 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

Im still on the guest list right?

Only if you bring your furry costume.  Tired of you guys showing up looking like Inuyasha...

[Miahi]

coronbale, on 13 January 2013 - 11:53 PM, said:

JQ, GG this week!  Our place, 830, well bring the ball gag but could you pick up another bull whip?  Ours broke on our last strategy session!

One of the biggest whiplash changes you are going to have to get used to, is the use of strategy in our tier.  If you decision on which enemy to hit is easy, and your doing it the same each time, your going to get rocked.  Each situation is diffrent, and second place has you reeling in more ways than one.  Let me give you an example.

YOUR HEAD - We are in second place, SoS is in first place, we need to take points away from SoS so we can catch up.  SoS is our target!

OUR HEAD - BG is our chief rival, we need to obliterate them off the map on every front, shoving their PPT down as far as possible

3RD PLACE HEAD - EVERYONE is our enemy, anyone we take points from gives us a distinct PPT bump by both depriving the servers ahead of us of points, as well as gaining points for us.

Your problem?  Thinking that our PPT is the only target.  You have to look at both fronts, possibly harder at the third place!  If OUR points are your only target, your going to look weak to third.  If third starts taking pieces out of you, we will join in!  Both first and second PPT are desired by third, if you give third no option but to attack first, you can orchestrate a 2v1!

Or you can continue to try and take on everyone like some kind of action hero.  Your call.

Your battle tactics are amazing, and on those alone you belong in T1.  Your meta strategy leaves something to be desired, and its something i would DEFINITELY be bringing up at your next server meeting.

Hey neighbor ( I can see Tigard out my Frosty window) Theres no strategy here other than the first 30 hours the SoS-JQ Brotherhood shows why they remain in tier1, not attacking each other seems like a great strategy but it's the oldest, unoriginal  trick in the book. Like others have said, it appears JQ is happy being your serviant puppy just so they can say they're T1. It's really fun to watch the obvious and then come here and listen to all the strategy babble

[Kreen]

Don't respond to the obvious troll

If he chooses to believe there is some sort of JQ-SoS nutcup going from from his limited view in one map for a few hours then let him. Those of us who have a wider view and perspective know different. I have played on every map at different times this weekend and there is glorious fighting and 2 vs 1 stuff going down all over and every mix of 2 versus 1 is to be found at the local map level.

This is exactly what happened last time BG were in T1, certain posters from their server started trash talking about 2 vs 1. I certainly hope they are an isolated minority faction

And Jerico, you didn't let us have anything. We just wanted you think that to not hurt your feelings.

Edited by Kreen, 14 January 2013 - 12:51 AM.

[Waage83]

coronbale, on 13 January 2013 - 11:53 PM, said:

-SNIP-

I know you are not working together. What i am saying is that I LIKE IT WHEN I AM THE UNDERDOG BECAUSE IT IS MORE FUN!

IF you are working together then bully for me.

Now understand this. I am not deep into BG leadership. I am an Officer in a small guild that came with HB from Europe and we helped to push BG up the ranks like a lot of others. Now you want to talk strategy as if SoS is some great example of this?? You are not.

There is nothing special about JQ, SoS or BG. The only major difference between us is numbers and wvw to pvx dedicated guilds.

Yes BG will run out of steam because we do not have the wvw guilds we need to keep it up that is the nature of the server and that is fine. We fight and do what we can and that is all and i like it that way.

All i want is people to fight. Nothing else. Winning and losing are all irrelevant to the fun you get from wiping 2 sides in a outnumbered fight. I want your sides to come together to fight me because it is more fun for me. NOW I KNOW THAT YOU DO NOT WORK TOGETHER.

I do not want equal fights i want to be fighting a losing battle because that is a million times more fun then having big numbers and killing a few.

Oh and FYI i know why some are saying that you work together. Every one only have the perception to see things form there own view and do not keep the bigger picture in mind. Yes you are not working together (I typed it 3 times so i am not miss understood again). It only looks like that if you are not paying attention.

Edited by Waage83, 14 January 2013 - 01:08 AM.

[EvilSinzGW2]

Miahi, on 14 January 2013 - 12:15 AM, said:

Hey neighbor ( I can see Tigard out my Frosty window) Theres no strategy here other than the first 30 hours the SoS-JQ Brotherhood shows why they remain in tier1, not attacking each other seems like a great strategy but it's the oldest, unoriginal  trick in the book. Like others have said, it appears JQ is happy being your serviant puppy just so they can say they're T1. It's really fun to watch the obvious and then come here and listen to all the strategy babble

Speaking of unoriginal and old.  The 2vs1 cry is pretty weak.  Always seems to make an appearance from the server getting waxed.

[Waage83]

CalmLittleBuddy, on 14 January 2013 - 12:07 AM, said:

Never heard of you. And neither have anyone else.

I am an officer from a small guild so of course you never heard of me and why would i care if you had.

I don't know or care who you are and is that some how important?? OH no random people on the internet don't know me. My life have lost all meaning now because some one on the internet do not know who i am.

Edited by Leyana, 14 January 2013 - 03:41 AM.
No

[ChocPudding]

BarronofDiE, on 13 January 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

Haha! Will do! I included you because it doesnt matter whether you have 2 people on or 20....your always in the heart of a battle!

And then....I die XD

Still haven't figure out a build for thief that can survive big battles. I wish there is a blind thief build just like the guardian one QQ

[Laylyn]

coronbale, on 13 January 2013 - 11:53 PM, said:

OUR HEAD - BG is our chief rival, we need to obliterate them off the map on every front, shoving their PPT down as far as possible

But JQ has FAR more Tier 1 experience than we have...   Obviously they are the threat...



/salute

[Fittleluck]

Don't say we didn't warn you.

[Miahi]

EvilSinzGW2, on 14 January 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

Speaking of unoriginal and old.  The 2vs1 cry is pretty weak.  Always seems to make an appearance from the server getting waxed.

I know its weak, BG just pounded into SM at EBG and killed lord and in the mean time SoR blew their lil puppy whistle and guess who showed up to save their master. It's so cute and cuddly watching it. Getting waxed? Hardly, we have fought 2 servers for 48 hours and barely behind.

[Stei]

I thought BG had been in tier 1 before they should know the eb and flow of all matches and this is how it goes. Sad to see a few people complaining when it happens to every side. JQ BL on reset SoS hit our garrison and BG was on our west tower within a min of start. Yet you didn't hear us talk about 2v1.

[Neo Juggernaut]

jq dont take offense to this, but i dont like you guys at all.. my guild is a small guild part of the tsym alliance but we've enjoyed all the fights you guys give us and all the strats you've shown. a word to BG to those who are fighting the good fight, keep it up. to those whining about: "coverage is the only thing winning this." "jq and sos are in bed", "the sun was in my eyes when we lose the keep." shut up and fight. u might want to read coron's guide on fun WvW or something cause all this whining makes me want some cheeze with it. or cheez its... im hungry!

/salute  to both servers.

[chuckles79]

Miahi, on 14 January 2013 - 02:43 AM, said:

I know its weak, BG just pounded into SM at EBG and killed lord and in the mean time SoR blew their lil puppy whistle and guess who showed up to save their master. It's so cute and cuddly watching it. Getting waxed? Hardly, we have fought 2 servers for 48 hours and barely behind.

SoR?  What week is your head in?  You're running a week behind.

Stei, on 14 January 2013 - 03:02 AM, said:

I thought BG had been in tier 1 before they should know the eb and flow of all matches and this is how it goes. Sad to see a few people complaining when it happens to every side. JQ BL on reset SoS hit our garrison and BG was on our west tower within a min of start. Yet you didn't hear us talk about 2v1.

That wasn't even the funny part Stei.  As we hit garrison, BG hit Greenlake.
We were thinking that since you and your BFFs kicked them out of T1 last time, that they would want payback.  I'm actually kinda glad they didn't play to those expectations, as it would have been very lopsided that night if they had.

So basically everyone rewrote the Reset Playbook Friday night.

[coronbale]

Waage83, on 14 January 2013 - 12:58 AM, said:

SNIP

Finally someone with some tactical sense.  Might I suggest the QQers over there chat with him for a bit, instead of taking your dolly and going home?  Enjoy your W+WvW!

[FriendlyFire]

BG if you don't focus SoS for points, you can be SBI Jr... Since SBI perfected the play-to-not-be-Tier-2 strategy.

Focusing JQ when you're Third only allows SoS to win. This is like a three way game of chess. Don't sit on the sidelines happy with being competitive.  Man up and take points that matter.

If SoS has fewer points at the end of the week the higher BG ranks.  I don't honestly care how you play, but will you be happy not being First, wearing SBIs old jersey?

[Nirvii]

FriendlyFire, on 14 January 2013 - 04:47 AM, said:

BG if you don't focus SoS for points, you can be SBI Jr... Since SBI perfected the play-to-not-be-Tier-2 strategy.

Focusing JQ when you're Third only allows SoS to win. This is like a three way game of chess. Don't sit on the sidelines happy with being competitive.  Man up and take points that matter.

If SoS has fewer points at the end of the week the higher BG ranks.  I don't honestly care how you play, but will you be happy not being First, wearing SBIs old jersey?

I think you better talk to JQ to focus on SoS not us. -=-''' We have been pinned down defending our Garrison at "our BGBL" from both JQ/SoS server attacks for more than two days continuous. Especially JQQ! Yesterday you repeatly put like a million trebs around cliffside that I had to commit suiciding my body to destroy them lol??? In addition for two days i havent seen JQ/SoS fighting at their keep at all, they just focus on our garrison =-=.

We're surely not SBI's jersi who play for second, but now we gotta repel all attacks on hold our own. Now JQ is 2nd in score, so there is no excuse not to attack SoSBL if u wanna play it right for 1st. I'm still waiting to see the day that JQ has a waypoint keep in SoSBL which not really happen at all during weekend. (But JQ has the waypoint in BGBL lol... come on, give SoS more love!)

Edited by Nirvii, 14 January 2013 - 05:37 AM.

[Amityy]

The reason why BG got 2v1'd last night is because they weren't able to secure their borderlands before jq and sos were. Once both sos and jq we're fully recapped and on complete lock down (20-30 people zerging any breakout or camp flip) there was only really one option left, bgbl. If you had thrown your full force at recapping bay it would of been a different story.

[FriendlyFire]

First of all, THAI you guys fight very hard, and are a great guild.

With the current scoring system, if you aren't taking points from First, you are allowing them to extend their lead.

Heres my best explanation:
Playing for First from Third means to always be slowing the First place server down, while fighting on as few of fronts as possible. This means fighting with your head and not your heart.

BG play to your strengths. If JQ and SoS are fighting on your BL, let them have the objective they both want, while your ppt increases on other maps.

[Miahi]

chuckles79, on 14 January 2013 - 04:03 AM, said:

SoR?  What week is your head in?  You're running a week behind.


That wasn't even the funny part Stei.  As we hit garrison, BG hit Greenlake.
We were thinking that since you and your BFFs kicked them out of T1 last time, that they would want payback.  I'm actually kinda glad they didn't play to those expectations, as it would have been very lopsided that night if they had.

So basically everyone rewrote the Reset Playbook Friday night.

You're  right, SoR  could actually take Garrison and did'nt need a dog whistle............speaking of which we just rolled your zerg again and it seems the whistle blew cause here comes your lil pet

FriendlyFire, on 14 January 2013 - 05:59 AM, said:

First of all, THAI you guys fight very hard, and are a great guild.

With the current scoring system, if you aren't taking points from First, you are allowing them to extend their lead.

Heres my best explanation:
Playing for First from Third means to always be slowing the First place server down, while fighting on as few of fronts as possible. This means fighting with your head and not your heart.

BG play to your strengths. If JQ and SoS are fighting on your BL, let them have the objective they both want, while your ppt increases on other maps.

Your whistle  sounded  get to BGBL  SoSs  zerg  just got handled by about a dozen in Garrison.........again. Nevermind   I see your already here!

[MonsterDemon]

EvilSinzGW2, on 14 January 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

Speaking of unoriginal and old.  The 2vs1 cry is pretty weak.  Always seems to make an appearance from the server getting waxed.

LOL.  Yeah, that 2v1 is old stuff.  I highly doubt JQ, SOS, or BG would team up for anything.  Everyone just sees red and go after one another.  Not sure about coverage, but there's gaps on every server.  Every time I log on, I ALWAYS get in within 5 seconds in some kind of BL.  Only place there is a few minutes queue is EB.  I also get that bonus outmanned junk.  I tend to immediately hop away as I hate being outnumbered 10-1 by opponents.  Hard to level up my 6th alt with that kind of odds.  Only reason people think SOS has so much coverage is because guild leaders from FoE, Tsym, Agg, Merc, Work, One, and some others was like on for who knows how many hours a day.  I go to bed, they will stayed on to lead and fight.  I wake up, they still up and fighting.  That's dedication!

Edited by MonsterDemon, 14 January 2013 - 06:12 AM.

[pot]

Enjoy the "competition" bro's, lol.

[Miahi]

FriendlyFire, on 14 January 2013 - 05:59 AM, said:

First of all, THAI you guys fight very hard, and are a great guild.

With the current scoring system, if you aren't taking points from First, you are allowing them to extend their lead.

Heres my best explanation:
Playing for First from Third means to always be slowing the First place server down, while fighting on as few of fronts as possible. This means fighting with your head and not your heart.

BG play to your strengths. If JQ and SoS are fighting on your BL, let them have the objective they both want, while your ppt increases on other maps.

Wait a second, you were in third and never touched first  but we're supposed to?