I was in the middle of writing a different post but then I read yours and, wow. This thread is full of trolls and sh#t talking, but that's probably one of the biggest steaming piles of crap I've seen anyone post about any situation, especially considering you seem to honestly think it's even remotely accurate and not all all trolling. So here I am, with my troll food, but don't worry, I only have enough for one post.
First off, talking about a bunch of facts instead of saying the exist, you are just antagonising people (especially when your facts are from tier two matches, which are nothing like tier one matches, even if there is a former/future tier one server in the match up). If you truly want to constructively post about anything and make a clear and thought out post (instead of an emotive and inflamtory one) you would take the small amount of time it takes for you to quote and link to the facts you are talking about.
You say in your disclaimer you don't speak for any other guild, but then you mention a specific guild (of which most of us are tired of hearing about) and state their reasons for not returning to SoS. That's a strange thing to be able to do considering you don't speak for anyone else on JQ.
A three page discussion is endless? Do you understand what endless means? If a top guild has a very effective strategy, from any server, even if it's not tier one, posts a thread about how they play WvW, the strategies and builds they use (we saw a youtube video from a recently transferred Euro guild that has some impressive strategies in it), I am very interested in watching or reading it. I don't care if they are my competition, if I can learn something from it, or participate in a discussion which discusses different options or ask why certain things aren't done, I want to do that. This is what forums are for, the exchange of ideas to improve your strategies, builds, play styles and the overall competition and experience. Forums are not a toilet for you to post steaming piles of bias crap and antagonising shit talk. If someone posted about a great strategy and claimed it was good and you disagree, say why and have that discussion with them, this is done all the time on the sPvP forums. If you don't like someone's advice, don't read it. There are plenty of bad sPvP builds out there. I don't bump the posts to dump crap all over the thread, I either suggest how to improve it or ignore it all together. Sometimes trying to start a discussion on the forums about WvW strategies or synergy builds (even if they are doing it with a bad strategy or build) is a great thing, not something we should be discouraging.
Posting in your own recruitment thread doesn't seem like a horrible thing to do. The whole point is to attract people to your server. Posting in someone else's recruitment thread bagging the server, that's pretty bad and it was done to both JQ and SoS, no-one is clean here. It doesn't justify it happeneing, but people in glass houses who throw shit end up with walls covered in shit.
This propaganda about militia being a derogatory term (it's semantics, people came up with militia because pug was considered derogatory) needs to stop. It is used to accurately refer to players who don't act as a guild but rather act as general members of the server. The guilds and commanders on SoS have a very high opinion of the militia and rely very heavily on them, but they are not the same as guilds - they choose who to take commands from, who to follow and where they want to be, that makes them different from a guild member who works with their guild and their guild commander. You have a delusion that this word is being used in a disrespectful manner, it is not, please stop perpetuating this lie.
I ignored the garbage argument you had with Kurthos last week about the lies and misconceptions you have about the structure of SoS because it was a trolltastic week in the forums and I didn't want to wade through too much shit, but you haven't shut about it (despite no longer being able to scare people away from the server with this propaganda during the free transfer migrations). No-one on any server has power over someone else. No-one can tell anyone where to be. The guilds on SoS work co-operatively together to fill coverage gaps on the maps and to ensure they have a presence where it can help the most. There are meetings where they discuss what happened during the week, what went well, what didn't go well and what can be done to make the next week better. Part of this is trying to make sure the server has a presence on different maps at the times of day when it will matter. Not every guild can be on the same map and it's beneficial to everyone that we have a balanced presence on a few maps, this usually means a guild will be assigned a map for the week (they agree to it, they don't get told to do it). You don't have to play on that map at all, and if during your time on that map you want to swap to a different map, you can do that. No-one forces you to do anything, no-one is shunned for not following these imaginary orders. It's a collaborative effort to organise the entire server with a loose framework to guide them. This ensures that maps which have upgraded towers will benefit from consistent coverage in multiple time zones, instead of having a strong NA presence but no-one from the Oceanics knowing it was upgraded and consequently defended everything that was invested in it before they were on. It's all about communication between the guilds and players on the server. It's organisation and communication, not some kind of imaginary dictatorship or guild shunning for people who don't play by some rules you have fantasised in your deluded propaganda war against the server. The only person who has control over a guild is the guild leader. How they choose to run their guild is up to them. The only person who has control over a player is the player. There is no tyranny or people telling you what to do, where to do it or how to do it. You are free to have fun on SoS just like you are on any other server. There are guilds on SoS that play on their chosen map and have nothing to do with the assignment of maps, they are co-operated with and not harassed for doing that.
Regardless of what it is JQ did to stay in tier one in the past and what made up your coverage and competitiveness, the reality is that the new JQ is very different. The server transfers have changed the server and everything you achieve now will be done with the strength of your transfers in addition to your old strength. Romanticise the story of JQ being the plucky server of small guilds and “friends” fighting against the big bad monster that is SoS (I didn't realise SoS was made up of massive guilds and endless droves of dirty militia that did the bidding of their tyrannical overlords) all you want, the ironic truth is your server has become the monster you take such pride in fighting.
I'd finish by giving you some advice, but knowing how you respond to that, it'd be like waving a red flag in front of an enraged bull. You characterisation of SoS is a lot like characterisations of communists during the Cold War (take that, Godwin's Law). I'd like to finish by saying: Hitler (I was so close).
Edited by Shiren, 30 January 2013 - 03:48 PM.