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#991 Tyrantscreed

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:42 PM

View PostKam8T88, on 30 January 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

But that's just it. Even at our peak we were never as stacked as Stacked Quarry currently is. When we got our transfers and rocketed to T1 we beat JQ and SBI by small margins.

What you're seeing now are the fruits of your labors. You wanted to be the most stacked server in the game. Well you got it. Now you've completely destroyed SoS's interest in WvW. Blackgate is young at out for blood but they don't have a chance either. It's only a matter of time before they get tired of being outnumbered 20 to 1. So there you'll be, king of a hill players no longer care for. And all the while knowing that while your predecessors worked for it, you got there the easy way. Congrats and enjoy.

So if there is strong competition, SoS will lose interest in WvW? Lol nice.

It would be nice if you notice how persistence JQ was even when SoS was winning week over week. SoS now needs to do the same thing, it's all about respect - if you are weak minded and get all sad over few defeats then you deserve to fall down to lower tiers.

EDIT: And this is JUST week 2 after the transfers *sigh*

Also you may call BG young, but atm they are putting a heck of a more challenge then you are.

Edited by Tyrantscreed, 30 January 2013 - 02:44 PM.


#992 Sirandar

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:47 PM

View PostKam8T88, on 30 January 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

But that's just it. Even at our peak we were never as stacked as Stacked Quarry currently is. When we got our transfers and rocketed to T1 we beat JQ and SBI by small margins.

What you're seeing now are the fruits of your labors. You wanted to be the most stacked server in the game. Well you got it. Now you've completely destroyed SoS's interest in WvW. Blackgate is young at out for blood but they don't have a chance either. It's only a matter of time before they get tired of being outnumbered 20 to 1. So there you'll be, king of a hill players no longer care for. And all the while knowing that while your predecessors worked for it, you got there the easy way. Congrats and enjoy.

Disagree here.  SoS hasn't 'lost interest' in WvW.  The major stakeholders are just taking this time to relax a bit and get some much needed work behind the scenes.  No reason to get into details but I don't mind taking a step back and re-evaluating our approach.

Sea of Sorrows will be just fine and we'll contend again soon enough.  No server is unbeatable and JQ is well aware of getting tired and burned out while defending the #1 slot.

If you're on SoS, get in touch with guild leaders and find out what you can do for the server (not what the server can do for you).  If we stand together we'll get the job done.

Way too much drama here

#993 Shiren

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:42 PM

@ CalmLittleBuddy
I was in the middle of writing a different post but then I read yours and, wow. This thread is full of trolls and sh#t talking, but that's probably one of the biggest steaming piles of crap I've seen anyone post about any situation, especially considering you seem to honestly think it's even remotely accurate and not all all trolling. So here I am, with my troll food, but don't worry, I only have enough for one post.

First off, talking about a bunch of facts instead of saying the exist, you are just antagonising people (especially when your facts are from tier two matches, which are nothing like tier one matches, even if there is a former/future tier one server in the match up). If you truly want to constructively post about anything and make a clear and thought out post (instead of an emotive and inflamtory one) you would take the small amount of time it takes for you to quote and link to the facts you are talking about.

You say in your disclaimer you don't speak for any other guild, but then you mention a specific guild (of which most of us are tired of hearing about) and state their reasons for not returning to SoS. That's a strange thing to be able to do considering you don't speak for anyone else on JQ.

A three page discussion is endless? Do you understand what endless means? If a top guild has a very effective strategy, from any server, even if it's not tier one, posts a thread about how they play WvW, the strategies and builds they use (we saw a youtube video from a recently transferred Euro guild that has some impressive strategies in it), I am very interested in watching or reading it. I don't care if they are my competition, if I can learn something from it, or participate in a discussion which discusses different options or ask why certain things aren't done, I want to do that. This is what forums are for, the exchange of ideas to improve your strategies, builds, play styles and the overall competition and experience. Forums are not a toilet for you to post steaming piles of bias crap and antagonising shit talk. If someone posted about a great strategy and claimed it was good and you disagree, say why and have that discussion with them, this is done all the time on the sPvP forums. If you don't like someone's advice, don't read it. There are plenty of bad sPvP builds out there. I don't bump the posts to dump crap all over the thread, I either suggest how to improve it or ignore it all together. Sometimes trying to start a discussion on the forums about WvW strategies or synergy builds (even if they are doing it with a bad strategy or build) is a great thing, not something we should be discouraging.
Posting in your own recruitment thread doesn't seem like a horrible thing to do. The whole point is to attract people to your server. Posting in someone else's recruitment thread bagging the server, that's pretty bad and it was done to both JQ and SoS, no-one is clean here. It doesn't justify it happeneing, but people in glass houses who throw shit end up with walls covered in shit.

This propaganda about militia being a derogatory term (it's semantics, people came up with militia because pug was considered derogatory) needs to stop. It is used to accurately refer to players who don't act as a guild but rather act as general members of the server. The guilds and commanders on SoS have a very high opinion of the militia and rely very heavily on them, but they are not the same as guilds - they choose who to take commands from, who to follow and where they want to be, that makes them different from a guild member who works with their guild and their guild commander. You have a delusion that this word is being used in a disrespectful manner, it is not, please stop perpetuating this lie.

I ignored the garbage argument you had with Kurthos last week about the lies and misconceptions you have about the structure of SoS because it was a trolltastic week in the forums and I didn't want to wade through too much shit, but you haven't shut about it (despite no longer being able to scare people away from the server with this propaganda during the free transfer migrations). No-one on any server has power over someone else. No-one can tell anyone where to be. The guilds on SoS work co-operatively together to fill coverage gaps on the maps and to ensure they have a presence where it can help the most. There are meetings where they discuss what happened during the week, what went well, what didn't go well and what can be done to make the next week better. Part of this is trying to make sure the server has a presence on different maps at the times of day when it will matter. Not every guild can be on the same map and it's beneficial to everyone that we have a balanced presence on a few maps, this usually means a guild will be assigned a map for the week (they agree to it, they don't get told to do it). You don't have to play on that map at all, and if during your time on that map you want to swap to a different map, you can do that. No-one forces you to do anything, no-one is shunned for not following these imaginary orders. It's a collaborative effort to organise the entire server with a loose framework to guide them. This ensures that maps which have upgraded towers will benefit from consistent coverage in multiple time zones, instead of having a strong NA presence but no-one from the Oceanics knowing it was upgraded and consequently defended everything that was invested in it before they were on. It's all about communication between the guilds and players on the server. It's organisation and communication, not some kind of imaginary dictatorship or guild shunning for people who don't play by some rules you have fantasised in your deluded propaganda war against the server. The only person who has control over a guild is the guild leader. How they choose to run their guild is up to them. The only person who has control over a player is the player. There is no tyranny or people telling you what to do, where to do it or how to do it. You are free to have fun on SoS just like you are on any other server. There are guilds on SoS that play on their chosen map and have nothing to do with the assignment of maps, they are co-operated with and not harassed for doing that.

Regardless of what it is JQ did to stay in tier one in the past and what made up your coverage and competitiveness, the reality is that the new JQ is very different. The server transfers have changed the server and everything you achieve now will be done with the strength of your transfers in addition to your old strength. Romanticise the story of JQ being the plucky server of small guilds and “friends” fighting against the big bad monster that is SoS (I didn't realise SoS was made up of massive guilds and endless droves of dirty militia that did the bidding of their tyrannical overlords) all you want, the ironic truth is your server has become the monster you take such pride in fighting.

I'd finish by giving you some advice, but knowing how you respond to that, it'd be like waving a red flag in front of an enraged bull. You characterisation of SoS is a lot like characterisations of communists during the Cold War (take that, Godwin's Law). I'd like to finish by saying: Hitler (I was so close).

Edited by Shiren, 30 January 2013 - 03:48 PM.


#994 Jedbacca

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:44 PM

So, SF practiced hardcore tactics in PvE last night!!  We cleared some temples and did like 16+ jumping puzzles as a guild :D  I have to say, some of those jumping puzzles that are out there look AWESOME!  Jumping around as a huge freakin' charr....well I've had more patient days.  Anyway, our team is enjoying some RnR from many weeks of non-stop WvW.  When we step foot back on the stomping grounds again, we need ppl to stomp, so ppls log on, I don't want to log on to an empty battle field.  With culling fixed in WvW the game is so new to me now!

#995 CalmLittleBuddy

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:59 PM

View PostShiren, on 30 January 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

@ CalmLittleBuddy
I was in the middle of writing a different post but then I read yours and, wow. This thread is full of trolls and sh#t talking, but that's probably one of the biggest steaming piles of crap I've seen anyone post about any situation, especially considering you seem to honestly think it's even remotely accurate and not all all trolling. So here I am, with my troll food, but don't worry, I only have enough for one post.

First off, talking about a bunch of facts instead of saying the exist, you are just antagonising people (especially when your facts are from tier two matches, which are nothing like tier one matches, even if there is a former/future tier one server in the match up). If you truly want to constructively post about anything and make a clear and thought out post (instead of an emotive and inflamtory one) you would take the small amount of time it takes for you to quote and link to the facts you are talking about.

You say in your disclaimer you don't speak for any other guild, but then you mention a specific guild (of which most of us are tired of hearing about) and state their reasons for not returning to SoS. That's a strange thing to be able to do considering you don't speak for anyone else on JQ.

A three page discussion is endless? Do you understand what endless means? If a top guild has a very effective strategy, from any server, even if it's not tier one, posts a thread about how they play WvW, the strategies and builds they use (we saw a youtube video from a recently transferred Euro guild that has some impressive strategies in it), I am very interested in watching or reading it. I don't care if they are my competition, if I can learn something from it, or participate in a discussion which discusses different options or ask why certain things aren't done, I want to do that. This is what forums are for, the exchange of ideas to improve your strategies, builds, play styles and the overall competition and experience. Forums are not a toilet for you to post steaming piles of bias crap and antagonising shit talk. If someone posted about a great strategy and claimed it was good and you disagree, say why and have that discussion with them, this is done all the time on the sPvP forums. If you don't like someone's advice, don't read it. There are plenty of bad sPvP builds out there. I don't bump the posts to dump crap all over the thread, I either suggest how to improve it or ignore it all together. Sometimes trying to start a discussion on the forums about WvW strategies or synergy builds (even if they are doing it with a bad strategy or build) is a great thing, not something we should be discouraging.
Posting in your own recruitment thread doesn't seem like a horrible thing to do. The whole point is to attract people to your server. Posting in someone else's recruitment thread bagging the server, that's pretty bad and it was done to both JQ and SoS, no-one is clean here. It doesn't justify it happeneing, but people in glass houses who throw shit end up with walls covered in shit.

This propaganda about militia being a derogatory term (it's semantics, people came up with militia because pug was considered derogatory) needs to stop. It is used to accurately refer to players who don't act as a guild but rather act as general members of the server. The guilds and commanders on SoS have a very high opinion of the militia and rely very heavily on them, but they are not the same as guilds - they choose who to take commands from, who to follow and where they want to be, that makes them different from a guild member who works with their guild and their guild commander. You have a delusion that this word is being used in a disrespectful manner, it is not, please stop perpetuating this lie.

I ignored the garbage argument you had with Kurthos last week about the lies and misconceptions you have about the structure of SoS because it was a trolltastic week in the forums and I didn't want to wade through too much shit, but you haven't shut about it (despite no longer being able to scare people away from the server with this propaganda during the free transfer migrations). No-one on any server has power over someone else. No-one can tell anyone where to be. The guilds on SoS work co-operatively together to fill coverage gaps on the maps and to ensure they have a presence where it can help the most. There are meetings where they discuss what happened during the week, what went well, what didn't go well and what can be done to make the next week better. Part of this is trying to make sure the server has a presence on different maps at the times of day when it will matter. Not every guild can be on the same map and it's beneficial to everyone that we have a balanced presence on a few maps, this usually means a guild will be assigned a map for the week (they agree to it, they don't get told to do it). You don't have to play on that map at all, and if during your time on that map you want to swap to a different map, you can do that. No-one forces you to do anything, no-one is shunned for not following these imaginary orders. It's a collaborative effort to organise the entire server with a loose framework to guide them. This ensures that maps which have upgraded towers will benefit from consistent coverage in multiple time zones, instead of having a strong NA presence but no-one from the Oceanics knowing it was upgraded and consequently defended everything that was invested in it before they were on. It's all about communication between the guilds and players on the server. It's organisation and communication, not some kind of imaginary dictatorship or guild shunning for people who don't play by some rules you have fantasised in your deluded propaganda war against the server. The only person who has control over a guild is the guild leader. How they choose to run their guild is up to them. The only person who has control over a player is the player. There is no tyranny or people telling you what to do, where to do it or how to do it. You are free to have fun on SoS just like you are on any other server. There are guilds on SoS that play on their chosen map and have nothing to do with the assignment of maps, they are co-operated with and not harassed for doing that.

Regardless of what it is JQ did to stay in tier one in the past and what made up your coverage and competitiveness, the reality is that the new JQ is very different. The server transfers have changed the server and everything you achieve now will be done with the strength of your transfers in addition to your old strength. Romanticise the story of JQ being the plucky server of small guilds and “friends” fighting against the big bad monster that is SoS (I didn't realise SoS was made up of massive guilds and endless droves of dirty militia that did the bidding of their tyrannical overlords) all you want, the ironic truth is your server has become the monster you take such pride in fighting.

I'd finish by giving you some advice, but knowing how you respond to that, it'd be like waving a red flag in front of an enraged bull. You characterisation of SoS is a lot like characterisations of communists during the Cold War (take that, Godwin's Law). I'd like to finish by saying: Hitler (I was so close).

Excellent response.

I didn't speak for any guilds, I mentioned one. I am not in that guild.

You are entitled to your opinion. Mine is not towards you or any specific person or player. It's not a personal attack on any one individual or any guild.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for certain guilds and individuals on SoS.

Obvioulsy, I've pissed you off. Sorry for that. That's not my intention. My post is not an attack on you or Kurthos (who you mentioned by name).

I stand by what I've said. I never claim anything to be fact in what I said. It's my opinion. Some folks will agree. Some won't.

Hey, not everyone likes everything everyone has to say. No need to get personal, my friend. My post was TAME compared to most from either side.

EDIT: just for kicks, everyone, feel free to compare the tone of my post with this one. I admit to many of my own faults and JQ's faults. I don't question anyone's personal sanity or ethics. I'm just giving an opinion. A strong one, yes, but not an especially nasty one. Check it out and decide for yourself.

Edited by CalmLittleBuddy, 30 January 2013 - 04:02 PM.


#996 Wotah

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

View PostShiren, on 30 January 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

-Great wall of text snip-

Wow, you may need to go back through that a little bit and decide on some better wording.  I believe they give out infractions for that sort of thing.

After all, it was his opinion.  Sorry that you got so mad at that.

Edited by Wotah, 30 January 2013 - 04:08 PM.


#997 CalmLittleBuddy

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:10 PM

Oh and here's the history as compiled on the official forums by Minoru:

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I agree that there have been some close games, but there have also been some very lopsided blowouts and several games that ended with insurmountable leads. For the sake of clarity let’s say that a close game would end in a 10-15k difference, because anything like a 20k lead would be almost insurmountable by Wednesday.
11/17-24 Sea of Sorrows: 235,030 / Jade Quarry: 201,563
11/24-12/01 — Sea of Sorrows: 235,327 / Jade Quarry: 169,470 blowout
01-08 — Sea of Sorrows: 225,137 / Jade Quarry: 208,392 17k difference closeish
08-15 — Sea of Sorrows: 216, 884 / Jade Quarry: 213,263 close game <-—
15-22 — Sea of Sorrows: 254, 305 / Jade Quarry: 153, 790 blow out 100k difference
22-29 — Sea of Sorrows: 225, 322 / Jade Quarry: 207,913 18k difference closeish
12/29-01/05 — Sea of Sorrows: 188,027 / Jade Quarry: 280,427 blowout 92k difference
05-12 — Sea of Sorrows: 250,720 / Jade Quarry: 212, 964 37k difference
12-19 — Sea of Sorrows: 233,254 / Jade Quarry: 204,540 28k difference
19-26 — Sea of Sorrows: 232,012 / Jade Quarry: 222,304 close game <-—

In nine weeks I see only two to four games that I would consider close, and more games with large point differences in favor of SoS. This all depends on where you draw the line for a close game, of course.
In any case, Jade Quarry has lost every match up with SoS execpt for one for more than two months. I definitely don’t remember the kind of histrionics we are seeing here on the match-up thread during that time. Some players should just accept that you can’t win every game, and that winning should actually be a challenge. Now you have one. Rejoice!"

I was off a bit on my numbers.

And by spamming recruitment threads, I meant creating 3 to 4 different ones at the same time (Jedahs)

Edited by CalmLittleBuddy, 30 January 2013 - 04:13 PM.


#998 Vihar

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:27 PM

Wow.

  CalmLittleBuddy!

  PREACH, BROTHER!

  I will say speaking only on behalf of myself and my guild.

Going to SoS was out of the question. Largely because of the attitudes expressed on forums over the last 2 months..that which CLB spoke of.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:43 PM

View PostKam8T88, on 30 January 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

But that's just it. Even at our peak we were never as stacked as Stacked Quarry currently is. When we got our transfers and rocketed to T1 we beat JQ and SBI by small margins.

What you're seeing now are the fruits of your labors. You wanted to be the most stacked server in the game. Well you got it. Now you've completely destroyed SoS's interest in WvW. Blackgate is young at out for blood but they don't have a chance either. It's only a matter of time before they get tired of being outnumbered 20 to 1. So there you'll be, king of a hill players no longer care for. And all the while knowing that while your predecessors worked for it, you got there the easy way. Congrats and enjoy.

What I am reading here is that SoS is supposed to be the only ones to stack a server with ridiculous numbers.  Now that people have the same playing field, everyone is wrong and SoS was right.  Culling is gone so the only tactic used properly (culling abuse) is gone too.  Even numbers, no cheesy culling issues with 60 people, and ..... SoS no longer enjoys wvwvw.  SoS did not think this super server through?

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 30 January 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

There's no need for folks on other servers to lie about JQ queue times anymore. Free transfers have ended and guild migration is done.

When I say 15 minutes, tops. I mean 15 minutes tops. And that's usually EB. And there's always at least 1 map with zero wait weeknights. Got on SoS BL instantly last night. Got on JQ BL instantly last night. Got into BG BL in 10 minutes, and yes I timed it.

Beastgate guy, if your queue lasts longer than 30 minutes, you have lost connection to the log in server and need to shut down the client and restart. There are threads explaining this bug. Next time, ask if anyone else has 30 minute queues in game before coming here and blabbering about things you don't understand. You are on JQ right now, and aparently stuck here for good unless you pay to get out (might want to change that server tag BTW). Or maybe you're not and just pretending to irk us. I don't care.

The queues on JQ are still either instant or 15 minutes tops weeknights. Period. End of discussion. Move on. No one cares except folks on JQ anyways, so take it to the JQ boards for further discussion or analysis. Thank you.

This is not true.  Not at all.  There are big ques on JQ during NA primetime.  So what.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

View PostPntNlul, on 30 January 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

What I am reading here is that SoS is supposed to be the only ones to stack a server with ridiculous numbers.  Now that people have the same playing field, everyone is wrong and SoS was right.  Culling is gone so the only tactic used properly (culling abuse) is gone too.  Even numbers, no cheesy culling issues with 60 people, and ..... SoS no longer enjoys wvwvw.  SoS did not think this super server through?



This is not true.  Not at all.  There are big ques on JQ during NA primetime.  So what.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa... Your server was just Blackgate and now it's JQ?

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:58 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 30 January 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

Whoa whoa whoa whoa... Your server was just Blackgate and now it's JQ?

ikr .. before that it was SBI

BG a week ago JQ this week.  I cant keep up with all the tags on the servers for my once a week pop out.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:59 PM

View PostPntNlul, on 30 January 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

ikr .. before that it was SBI

BG a week ago JQ this week.  I cant keep up with all the tags on the servers for my once a week pop out.

Funny you and Maihi both came back after a week. Hmmmm.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:01 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 30 January 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

Funny you and Maihi both came back after a week. Hmmmm.

Did not come back, never was here.

SBI BEFORE (bigger letters)

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:01 PM

View PostPntNlul, on 30 January 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

What I am reading here is that SoS is supposed to be the only ones to stack a server with ridiculous numbers.  Now that people have the same playing field, everyone is wrong and SoS was right.  Culling is gone so the only tactic used properly (culling abuse) is gone too.  Even numbers, no cheesy culling issues with 60 people, and ..... SoS no longer enjoys wvwvw.  SoS did not think this super server through?



This is not true.  Not at all.  There are big ques on JQ during NA primetime.  So what.

Dude I play in NA Prime time mainly. 10-15 min que tops. I don't know where your getting that it's longer. If your still qued after 15 min relog. I don't have issue's with that que time it allows me to prepare myself. Grab a drink, bio, and something to snack on. Heck I even go over my spec or game plan with the group I am running with while we wait. Prepairing yourself mentally and getting a battlefield report from a fellow commander on the map is quite litterally benefitial if you use it wisely. Before Jade Quarry got guilds transfered it wasn't quite as prepared now we can coordinate our efforts with each other much faster and to better engage on secondary objectives in which we wasn't able to before.

#1005 CalmLittleBuddy

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:03 PM

View PostPntNlul, on 30 January 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Did not come back, never was here.

SBI BEFORE (bigger letters)

I meant back to the forums, bright eyes.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:18 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 30 January 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

Funny you and Maihi both came back after a week. Hmmmm.
Not quite as funny as WvW All-Stars but........if you find it funny, then more power to ya!

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:26 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 30 January 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

Disclaimer: The following post is my opinion and in no way represents the opinions of anyone else on JQ, unless they directly state otherwise. The leaders of JQ would probably ask me not to post this, but I can't stay quiet on this anymore. This is not a troll post. It's how I feel. I've held this back for 10 weeks now. I figured once JQ got in a better position, SoS would finally show some respect and give props, but that hasn't happened... so...

There's a good breakdown on the official forums of how much SoS won by for each of the weeks. 6 of them were over 50,000, 3 over 100,000.

Go take a look. If you can't find it, tell me and I'll go grab it. Or look it up yourself. You guys trashed 2 legitimate T1 servers by large amouns for 2/3 of the matchups. You guys were stacked. There's no shame in it! Good on you, SoS for having all your ducks in a row.

Let's not revise hostory here. It's just a game. We can all admit to these little things here and there. SoS was stacked. JQ got even stackeditidier during the Guild Transfer Arms Race, which began with SoS bragging about 3 new Euro guild transfers it got, and ME whining about it so hard that my own server told me to relax.

I can go find that for you to, or you can look it up.

Facts are, all the braggadocia and chest thumping and 'world champions' talk pissed of a lot of people including PRX a former SoS guild. You can't have it both ways. You can't have a server spamming guild recruitment threads, bragging and laughing and high fiving, posting page after page of explanations and 'strategy' showing how smart they are and how dumb SBI and JQ are... and NOT expect folks to hit back.

Endless 3 page discussion of how your awesome strategies and Immortals Builds and superior theory craft and this and that... reams of it! So much that we choked on it, direct addresses to SBI and JQ on how we 'just didn't get it' and needed to 'do your own recruiting and beat us' and 'stop whining and play harder' and how SoS was like the pros and we were newcommers to T1... all of it.

You guys accomplished your goal and stepped on a few toes doing it. Now, we will accomplish our goal. If you don't like it, stop us. If you can't stop us, let me finally be the one giving SoS some patronising and pedantic 'advice':

JQ stayed in T1 by being better with less. We treated our PuGs and small guilds like friends, not 'militia'. The exact statement was "Small Guilds, PuGs and Solos are the heart and soul of JQ and our greatest strength." End your top down tyranny and let everyone play their way and have fun. If you don't, now it's a job without the winning you have become so accustomed to. You'd better learn this or SoS will fall.

I hope you prove me wrong in the comming weeks. I want to fight SoS. I like fighting SoS. I respect some of your players and guilds a hell of a lot, but jeez, someone in charge over there needs to put a muzzle on all this excuse making, man up and fight back.

So just to clarify, when a team wins something BY AN AMOUNT, it means how much they won by compared to the NEXT competitor, this is comparing 1st to 2nd, as 2nd is the closet opponent to 1st.

On SoS's 1st week of tier 1, they won by 34,000 points http://mos.millenium...ps/history/9#NA
2nd week: SoS wins by 18,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/10#NA
3rd week: SoS wins by 17,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/11#NA
4th week: SoS wins by 3,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/12#NA
5th week: SoS wins by 55,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/13#NA
6th week SoS wins by 18,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/14#NA
7th week, JQ wins by 92,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/15#NA
8th week SoS wins by 38,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/16#NA
9th week, SoS wins by 29,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/17#NA
10th week, SoS wins by 10,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/18#NA

So out of 9 wins for SoS, the average winning margin was 24,600

TODAY: Halfway through this week JQ by 69,000 points

You can dress it up and call it what you want, but you are facing a very similar SoS this week as you are facing 2 weeks ago, and unlike what happened on the new year match up, SoS hasn't given up and is out there fighting their absolute hardest every night, no-one has left SoS, we're all still here together fighting in the battlefield. JQ are well on target to win this week by more than 150,000 points.

Call it what you want but JQ's population has more than doubled in these past 2 weeks and it's anti competitive to the rest of the competition, there have been a lot of people that have been warning about this and the potential ramifications that it can bring to World vs World for all of us yet you've continued to plug your ears and sing la la la la meanwhile wanting MORE AND MORE people to Jade Quarry.

/SLAP!

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:43 PM

View PostSirandar, on 30 January 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Disagree here.  SoS hasn't 'lost interest' in WvW.  The major stakeholders are just taking this time to relax a bit and get some much needed work behind the scenes.  No reason to get into details but I don't mind taking a step back and re-evaluating our approach.

Sea of Sorrows will be just fine and we'll contend again soon enough.  No server is unbeatable and JQ is well aware of getting tired and burned out while defending the #1 slot.

If you're on SoS, get in touch with guild leaders and find out what you can do for the server (not what the server can do for you).  If we stand together we'll get the job done.

Way too much drama here


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:47 PM

View PostCirus, on 30 January 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

So just to clarify, when a team wins something BY AN AMOUNT, it means how much they won by compared to the NEXT competitor, this is comparing 1st to 2nd, as 2nd is the closet opponent to 1st.

On SoS's 1st week of tier 1, they won by 34,000 points http://mos.millenium...ps/history/9#NA
2nd week: SoS wins by 18,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/10#NA
3rd week: SoS wins by 17,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/11#NA
4th week: SoS wins by 3,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/12#NA
5th week: SoS wins by 55,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/13#NA
6th week SoS wins by 18,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/14#NA
7th week, JQ wins by 92,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/15#NA
8th week SoS wins by 38,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/16#NA
9th week, SoS wins by 29,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/17#NA
10th week, SoS wins by 10,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/18#NA

So out of 9 wins for SoS, the average winning margin was 24,600

TODAY: Halfway through this week JQ by 69,000 points

You can dress it up and call it what you want, but you are facing a very similar SoS this week as you are facing 2 weeks ago, and unlike what happened on the new year match up, SoS hasn't given up and is out there fighting their absolute hardest every night, no-one has left SoS, we're all still here together fighting in the battlefield. JQ are well on target to win this week by more than 150,000 points.

Call it what you want but JQ's population has more than doubled in these past 2 weeks and it's anti competitive to the rest of the competition, there have been a lot of people that have been warning about this and the potential ramifications that it can bring to World vs World for all of us yet you've continued to plug your ears and sing la la la la meanwhile wanting MORE AND MORE people to Jade Quarry.

/SLAP!

Think man! think!

I admitted we're stacked. Now. This week you guys admittedly are regrouping. If we win by this much next week, I'll come around. Those figures were not mine, but also remember, that was your wins over 2 different servers. We weren't always second. We're fighting SoS with them at half mast and BG (who has about half your numbers) so yeah, lopsided score.

What I am saying is no one from JQ called you all stacked when you won. You should do the same for us. Be gracious for once, guys. It makes you look more the champion. We made no excuses for losing to you. Just asking the same in return and a little respect. That's all. But judging by the reaction so far, that's not going to happen.

If we'd won by 10 k, it wouldn't matter. SoS wins or no one wins. I get it. The game suffers when SoS doesn't dominate for 10 weeks. Got it.

Edited by CalmLittleBuddy, 30 January 2013 - 05:48 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:53 PM

I know, from all of the weeks of monitoring the score, this week and the 92,000 point win, are against a very different SoS.  For what ever reason the core of SoS gives up and breaks the morale, but then the next week SoS decimates thier opponents.

I want you to refer to the above post next week AND then the week after that, when you guys start blowing up Tiers pushing back to Tier 1.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:58 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 30 January 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

Disclaimer: The following post is my opinion and in no way represents the opinions of anyone else on JQ, unless they directly state otherwise. The leaders of JQ would probably ask me not to post this, but I can't stay quiet on this anymore. This is not a troll post. It's how I feel. I've held this back for 10 weeks now. I figured once JQ got in a better position, SoS would finally show some respect and give props, but that hasn't happened... so...

There's a good breakdown on the official forums of how much SoS won by for each of the weeks. 6 of them were over 50,000, 3 over 100,000.

Go take a look. If you can't find it, tell me and I'll go grab it. Or look it up yourself. You guys trashed 2 legitimate T1 servers by large amouns for 2/3 of the matchups. You guys were stacked. There's no shame in it! Good on you, SoS for having all your ducks in a row.

Let's not revise hostory here. It's just a game. We can all admit to these little things here and there. SoS was stacked. JQ got even stackeditidier during the Guild Transfer Arms Race, which began with SoS bragging about 3 new Euro guild transfers it got, and ME whining about it so hard that my own server told me to relax.

I can go find that for you to, or you can look it up.

Facts are, all the braggadocia and chest thumping and 'world champions' talk pissed of a lot of people including PRX a former SoS guild. You can't have it both ways. You can't have a server spamming guild recruitment threads, bragging and laughing and high fiving, posting page after page of explanations and 'strategy' showing how smart they are and how dumb SBI and JQ are... and NOT expect folks to hit back.

Endless 3 page discussion of how your awesome strategies and Immortals Builds and superior theory craft and this and that... reams of it! So much that we choked on it, direct addresses to SBI and JQ on how we 'just didn't get it' and needed to 'do your own recruiting and beat us' and 'stop whining and play harder' and how SoS was like the pros and we were newcommers to T1... all of it.

You guys accomplished your goal and stepped on a few toes doing it. Now, we will accomplish our goal. If you don't like it, stop us. If you can't stop us, let me finally be the one giving SoS some patronising and pedantic 'advice':

JQ stayed in T1 by being better with less. We treated our PuGs and small guilds like friends, not 'militia'. The exact statement was "Small Guilds, PuGs and Solos are the heart and soul of JQ and our greatest strength." End your top down tyranny and let everyone play their way and have fun. If you don't, now it's a job without the winning you have become so accustomed to. You'd better learn this or SoS will fall.

I hope you prove me wrong in the comming weeks. I want to fight SoS. I like fighting SoS. I respect some of your players and guilds a hell of a lot, but jeez, someone in charge over there needs to put a muzzle on all this excuse making, man up and fight back.


To steal from The Mighteous One - here is the tldr for all the mouthbreathers.

You guys over on SoS acted worse than HoD ever did. Someone asked earlier if anyone ever tried this against Henge and why not. They didn't and that's why.

LittleBuddy - Anytime you got something to say, just say it. If you get too much shit, let me know. I'll say it for you.

View PostSirandar, on 30 January 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Disagree here.  SoS hasn't 'lost interest' in WvW.  The major stakeholders are just taking this time to relax a bit and get some much needed work behind the scenes.  No reason to get into details but I don't mind taking a step back and re-evaluating our approach.

Sea of Sorrows will be just fine and we'll contend again soon enough.  No server is unbeatable and JQ is well aware of getting tired and burned out while defending the #1 slot.

If you're on SoS, get in touch with guild leaders and find out what you can do for the server (not what the server can do for you).  If we stand together we'll get the job done.

Way too much drama here

Shit like this is why Tsym gets more respect than other people on SoS.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:00 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 30 January 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:

I admitted we're stacked. Now. This week you guys admittedly are regrouping. If we win by this much next week, I'll come around. Those figures were not mine, but also remember, that was your wins over 2 different servers. We weren't always second. We're fighting SoS with them at half mast and BG (who has about half your numbers) so yeah, lopsided score.

What I am saying is no one from JQ called you all stacked when you won. You should do the same for us. Be gracious for once, guys. It makes you look more the champion. We made no excuses for losing to you. Just asking the same in return and a little respect. That's all. But judging by the reaction so far, that's not going to happen.

If we'd won by 10 k, it wouldn't matter. SoS wins or no one wins. I get it. The game suffers when SoS doesn't dominate for 10 weeks. Got it.

If JQ won by 10k, or even 50k, I'll say good game well deserved, heck I even said it when you won by 90k. We both know that Jade Quarry deserved that win, it was a blow out on New Years because you actually managed to break our morale, that was caused and earned by Jade Quarry. Most of Sea of Sorrows people acknowledged it.

Sea of Sorrows isn't at half mast right now, we're still fighting as hard as we can, and we're still fighting for 1st. 2nd place does not interest us one bit, we only want to fight and kill Jade Quarry, our strongest opponent.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:08 PM

View PostCirus, on 30 January 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

So just to clarify, when a team wins something BY AN AMOUNT, it means how much they won by compared to the NEXT competitor, this is comparing 1st to 2nd, as 2nd is the closet opponent to 1st.

On SoS's 1st week of tier 1, they won by 34,000 points http://mos.millenium...ps/history/9#NA
2nd week: SoS wins by 18,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/10#NA
3rd week: SoS wins by 17,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/11#NA
4th week: SoS wins by 3,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/12#NA
5th week: SoS wins by 55,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/13#NA
6th week SoS wins by 18,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/14#NA
7th week, JQ wins by 92,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/15#NA
8th week SoS wins by 38,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/16#NA
9th week, SoS wins by 29,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/17#NA
10th week, SoS wins by 10,000 points http://mos.millenium...s/history/18#NA

So out of 9 wins for SoS, the average winning margin was 24,600

TODAY: Halfway through this week JQ by 69,000 points

You can dress it up and call it what you want, but you are facing a very similar SoS this week as you are facing 2 weeks ago, and unlike what happened on the new year match up, SoS hasn't given up and is out there fighting their absolute hardest every night, no-one has left SoS, we're all still here together fighting in the battlefield. JQ are well on target to win this week by more than 150,000 points.

Call it what you want but JQ's population has more than doubled in these past 2 weeks and it's anti competitive to the rest of the competition, there have been a lot of people that have been warning about this and the potential ramifications that it can bring to World vs World for all of us yet you've continued to plug your ears and sing la la la la meanwhile wanting MORE AND MORE people to Jade Quarry.

/SLAP!

Think man! think!

Give it up, every server that you faced in T1 knows that you guys mostly quit after getting your 50k boundary.  Only when you were being pressed did you come back out to play.

For those that can't read my thoughts, the rambling above means they stacked as much distance, then took it easy during the week.  So the numbers we were close was all of JQ working in concert through the whole week to push at SoS and gain back points.

Edited by Wotah, 30 January 2013 - 06:12 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:09 PM

View PostShiren, on 30 January 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

@ CalmLittleBuddy


Point of order:

Militia is in fact more derogatory than Pug.

Pug is only derogatory if you are narrow minded enough to think that all people outside your guild are inferior players. Militia Implies that your guild or alliance is somehow a trained fighting force that is seasoned in combat. It also implies that the people in this "militia" use inferior equipment and have no real idea what they are doing but they can be used as a garrison force or to do the menial tasks that just waste the time of your military machine.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:27 PM

Awww shit, not this discussion again...

A PuG is in reference to a pick up group.  If you are offended by being called part of a pick up group, go * yourself.  If not, then cool.  Militia just sounds weird to me in a video game..

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:53 PM

View PostWotah, on 30 January 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

Give it up, every server that you faced in T1 knows that you guys mostly quit after getting your 50k boundary.  Only when you were being pressed did you come back out to play.

For those that can't read my thoughts, the rambling above means they stacked as much distance, then took it easy during the week.  So the numbers we were close was all of JQ working in concert through the whole week to push at SoS and gain back points.

Everyone knows, or anyone that takes the time to look at the day by day scores, that when SoS had enough lead by Thursday to win the week, their attendance was much lower.  You could also see by those numbers that JQ pushed the score all the way to reset.  Any "won-by-X" numbers are artificially deflated by SoS and their weekly strategy.

It is also true from the above SoS poster, that JQ is breaking SoS, mentally and physically, by forcing them to play a seven-day match, instead of a 3-4 day match.

Edited by FriendlyFire, 30 January 2013 - 06:57 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:54 PM

Okay, points well taken on all side. Cirus, you know I have no beef with you at all. GG and yeah, let's fight til the death! Score be damned just as always!

Zero, I don't usually post what I really think. If I did, I'd be on a much different forum... *shady*

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:04 PM

Honestly guys, I don't want to take away from what JQ and BG are doing.  You both came out and kicked us around.  I can only speak for myself but I think it was a wake up call for SoS.

No need to add fire to all the drama but I urge the real players (not the trolls here) to take what you read here with a GIGANTIC grain of salt.  Just because someone creates an account and posts does not mean they speak for an entire server.  So whatever 'chest bumping' should be dismissed as a poster trying to get attention.  Ignore.

If you heard this and that about SoS from <insert guild name>, take it with another grain of salt.  Two sides to every tale!  You don't have all the facts so no reason to get sucked in.

See you all on the battlefield in the not so distant future.  I have a bone to pick with SF!   Much respect to you guys

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:06 PM

View PostSirandar, on 30 January 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

Honestly guys, I don't want to take away from what JQ and BG are doing.  You both came out and kicked us around.  I can only speak for myself but I think it was a wake up call for SoS.

No need to add fire to all the drama but I urge the real players (not the trolls here) to take what you read here with a GIGANTIC grain of salt.  Just because someone creates an account and posts does not mean they speak for an entire server.  So whatever 'chest bumping' should be dismissed as a poster trying to get attention.  Ignore.

If you heard this and that about SoS from <insert guild name>, take it with another grain of salt.  Two sides to every tale!  You don't have all the facts so no reason to get sucked in.

See you all on the battlefield in the not so distant future.  I have a bone to pick with SF!   Much respect to you guys

Yo. What you do with your bone is your own business mang.

Where have you guys been? I have a new character with a new build that I want to try out on you guys.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:15 PM

Yea Jed, you knocked our d*#% in the dirt on shuffle, be ready for payback :)

I want to massively tip my hat to the guilds and teams of JQ. New transfers, old salts, and pugs alike (agreed, if that pisses you off, go **** yourself). You have rallied the armies, united the tribes, and led an army on the field that we were not prepared for.  Not that you need an SoS member to say it, but this week was well deserved. EMP, you continue to surprise me, your defensive ability borders on the magical. In future games, I would love to fight along side you (maybe ESO?), I feel I could learn much from your tactical leaders.  Until then, we be here to break your toys!

You guys built a monster of a team, I'm very honored to fight against you out there.  Keep up the great work, and keep those lessons coming! Some times people need a stomping to realize they are in need of a change, your handing them out like a dealer in Vegas.

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