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#1 SirGamesalot

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:09 PM

Just thought I would share this cus its awesome :)



#2 dawdler

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:25 PM

Its a nice build, I still prefer having the 20 points in discipline instead of strength however. Less base dps, but faster weapon switching as the main difference (which can make up for the dps loss depending on what weapons you choose).

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:39 AM

This build has less damage than what he's indicating. I really don't like Sigil of Bloodlust as you get downed in Fractals so much that it is very useless. It offers 175 Power which is equal to 5 stacks of Might. Normally I recommend that it's better to run a Sigil of Strength for hardcore dungeons, but for Dontain's Soldier armor, it has such a low crit rate that it's almost a bad idea to depend on any criticals at all.

The only source of damage of this build is from the 175 Power (w/o a down) and the 3 Might stacks from For Great Justice = +280 Power which is less than any build centering around high Might.

I have desired to and have run this build many times as maxing the Defense tree for Fractals 35+ is so so tempting, but the amount of damage sacrificed is so so great. The only reason to max the Defense tree was against the flying Shaman boss as the worms gives so much damage after they CC you, but with a good party it wasn't too hard to get pass.

Great looking video though!

Edited by Stigma, 15 January 2013 - 10:41 AM.


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:25 PM

View PostStigma, on 15 January 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

This build has less damage than what he's indicating. I really don't like Sigil of Bloodlust as you get downed in Fractals so much that it is very useless. It offers 175 Power which is equal to 5 stacks of Might. Normally I recommend that it's better to run a Sigil of Strength for hardcore dungeons, but for Dontain's Soldier armor, it has such a low crit rate that it's almost a bad idea to depend on any criticals at all.

The only source of damage of this build is from the 175 Power (w/o a down) and the 3 Might stacks from For Great Justice = +280 Power which is less than any build centering around high Might.

I have desired to and have run this build many times as maxing the Defense tree for Fractals 35+ is so so tempting, but the amount of damage sacrificed is so so great. The only reason to max the Defense tree was against the flying Shaman boss as the worms gives so much damage after they CC you, but with a good party it wasn't too hard to get pass.

Great looking video though!

Actually, superior sigil of blood lust gives 10per stack with 25 stacks = 250. I do kind of agree though

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:31 PM

This build can be really nice, but for the majority of time its not gonna be that great. In a glass canon group, having such a warrior can really help the 4 other party member to max their dmg. Its can also be good in WvW for certain situation because you need a good defense if you wanna reach the enemies' zerg in melee range before going down. Other than that, you really gonna miss the damage into in the majority of dungeon.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:52 PM

I would add is that if you go for extra boon duration, not going into the precision line is a waste as your might stacks can easily reach 20 - 25, which is way more power then going into the power line.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:09 PM

PVT gear on a warrior, his sigil explanation, not talking about food...

Just seems like a build from a casual that really doesn't understand builds specialized for PvP or PvE outside of easy world content and dynamic events.

Edited by Strife025, 16 January 2013 - 07:19 PM.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:33 AM

Unless I've missed some patch note somewhere, I dont think he understands how the sigls work cus he says he stacks it up before he doses anythin, but leaving your current instance removes the stacks no ? or is this bugged. He's also using the sword as incombat mobilty wouldn't it make more sense to turn off auto target and use the gs skill 3,5 to get away from danger and equip a ranged weapon ?

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:46 AM

View Postakwellen, on 16 January 2013 - 12:33 AM, said:

Unless I've missed some patch note somewhere, I dont think he understands how the sigls work cus he says he stacks it up before he doses anythin, but leaving your current instance removes the stacks no ? or is this bugged. He's also using the sword as incombat mobilty wouldn't it make more sense to turn off auto target and use the gs skill 3,5 to get away from danger and equip a ranged weapon ?

You are correct, he is confused.  He clearly states he stacks it up when "doing things like my daily" then runs off to dungeons...which clears the stacks as soon as he leaves the map(s) he was doing his "daily" on.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:59 PM

I just thought it was a slip of tongue since Dontain's juggles so many activities at once. I didn't pay much mind to it.

View PostStrife025, on 15 January 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

PVT gear on a warrior, his sigil explanation, not talking about food...

Just seems like a build from a casual that really doesn't understand builds specialized for PvP or PvE outside of easy world content and dynamic events.

Dontain seems to be one of those guys who grinded his way to get his legendary and is one level higher than your average game magazine reviewer on understanding the game.

Edited by Stigma, 24 January 2013 - 09:02 PM.


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 04:48 PM

Okay, this is bad.
I actually thought that this build is absolutely okay and got everything for it (i got knight's earrings, but all other accessoires are berserker, including amulet and ascended backpack). I'm at lvl 30 in the fractals and the last few runs were pretty good, so i thought it was ok. Now i must read that the build sacrifices a lot of dps, altough i had the feeling that it was enough.
any suggestions on saving a guy who paid a shitload of karma, badges and gold for this build? I have the same armor as he now and would like to know if i can do something good with it.

Edited by Shinobu Oshino, 27 January 2013 - 05:54 PM.


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:54 PM

View PostShinobu Oshino, on 27 January 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

Okay, this is bad.
I actually thought that this build is absolutely okay and got everything for it (i got knight's earrings, but all other accessoires are berserker, including amulet and ascended backpack). I'm at lvl 30 in the fractals and the last few runs were pretty good, so i thought it was ok. Now i must read that the build sacrifices a lot of dps, altough i had the feeling that it was enough.
any suggestions on saving a guy who paid a shitload of karma, badges and gold for this build? I have the same armor as he now and would like to know if i can do something good with it.

Salvage it. Its pretty well known that Soldier gear is absolutely useless on a warrior for any form of spec that i can think of right now, even cleric is better if you wanted to tank.

replace your armor with a mix of Knight/Soldier gear.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:59 PM

View PostStigma, on 24 January 2013 - 08:59 PM, said:


Dontain seems to be one of those guys who grinded his way to get his legendary and is one level higher than your average game magazine reviewer on understanding the game.

And Strife is the one who posted awesome guard/war builds on these forums which calculate everything and doesn't make mistakes like the sigil/food buff/...

Edited by Gilles VI, 27 January 2013 - 07:59 PM.


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:43 PM

i tried this build its not bad i think its a good idea. the thing is i don't think all that extra vitality helps he should have gone for more toughness.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:38 AM

View PostShinobu Oshino, on 27 January 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

Okay, this is bad.
I actually thought that this build is absolutely okay and got everything for it (i got knight's earrings, but all other accessoires are berserker, including amulet and ascended backpack). I'm at lvl 30 in the fractals and the last few runs were pretty good, so i thought it was ok. Now i must read that the build sacrifices a lot of dps, altough i had the feeling that it was enough.
any suggestions on saving a guy who paid a shitload of karma, badges and gold for this build? I have the same armor as he now and would like to know if i can do something good with it.

Chill out. You're over reacting. The build isn't horrible it's just that that when compared to other warrior builds, it's just not accurate in the damage department as he claims. He seems to have compared it against a Knight gear warrior rather than a Berserker warrior as a reference.

You can easily add more damage to Dontain's Heavy Arms soldier armor with a few pieces of Knights gear. Just run Arah or something for a day and get some Knight pieces to boost up your Precision.

You can still keep the soldier armor pieces as spare for when you break armor in Fractals or something. I bring along 3 sets of armor in case. You can also pick  up some Exquisite Ruby Jewels and add them into your Knight trinkets to maintain some tankyness and yet still gain the extra 3% Crit damage from each Ruby. The Soldier runes are still useful if you run more Shouts as they are good for condition heavy fights.

View Postcrosswound81, on 27 January 2013 - 09:43 PM, said:

i tried this build its not bad i think its a good idea. the thing is i don't think all that extra vitality helps he should have gone for more toughness.

There is as much Toughness in Soldiers gear as there is in Knights gear. The main thing lacking was the damage due to +0 Precision in PVT stuff.


The main problem with running vanilla Soldier armor is you basically have no Precision (crit chance). Vitality isn't too bad as it can mitigate both normal and condition attacks but you'll kinda feel "fat." You'll have 30k HP that you don't know what to do with some times because you just chip away at a monster with very lil amt of criticals and low Might stack averages.

Most importantly, if you think you're playing pretty well in Fractals 30 with your build so far, stick with it and see how far it goes. Maybe you'll find things you want to modify in the future. It's when you think your gear/build is holding you back is when there is a  problem.

Edited by Stigma, 28 January 2013 - 09:55 AM.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:17 AM

View PostStigma, on 28 January 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:



Chill out. You're over reacting. The build isn't horrible it's just that that when compared to other warrior builds, it's just not accurate in the damage department as he claims. He seems to have compared it against a Knight gear warrior rather than a Berserker warrior as a reference.

You can easily add more damage to Dontain's Heavy Arms soldier armor with a few pieces of Knights gear. Just run Arah or something for a day and get some Knight pieces to boost up your Precision.

You can still keep the soldier armor pieces as spare for when you break armor in Fractals or something. I bring along 3 sets of armor in case. You can also pick  up some Exquisite Ruby Jewels and add them into your Knight trinkets to maintain some tankyness and yet still gain the extra 3% Crit damage from each Ruby. The Soldier runes are still useful if you run more Shouts as they are good for condition heavy fights.



There is as much Toughness in Soldiers gear as there is in Knights gear. The main thing lacking was the damage due to +0 Precision in PVT stuff.


The main problem with running vanilla Soldier armor is you basically have no Precision (crit chance). Vitality isn't too bad as it can mitigate both normal and condition attacks but you'll kinda feel "fat." You'll have 30k HP that you don't know what to do with some times because you just chip away at a monster with very lil amt of criticals and low Might stack averages.

Most importantly, if you think you're playing pretty well in Fractals 30 with your build so far, stick with it and see how far it goes. Maybe you'll find things you want to modify in the future. It's when you think your gear/build is holding you back is when there is a  problem.

Knight gear has more toughness than soldier.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:59 AM

If you want a more 'tanky' build as Warrior I recommend using:

Power/Toughness/Vitality Armour, with runes of Lyssa.

Berserker weapons, Axe/Shield + Longbow. Sigil of Air/Accuracy for first set and Accuracy for Longbow.

Ruby/zerker's accessories (though I personally use the ascended Soldier back piece).

10/0/20/20/20 spec distributed like this http://www.guildhead...RTma0GGGVzsVRVo

Bit of reasoning for gear. Lyssa is a great rune for PvE as a Warrior, Heal Sig at 16 sec cd allows for random buffs regularly (though this can be swapped out for Mending as needed) and if you wait an extra 2 seconds to activate Sig of Rage you get a condition purge and all boons (including a free Aegis block and Stability) for 6 seconds traited. Then there's the raw benefit of 165 precision for crits. Full Zerker accessories for crits and pumping the crit damage up obviously.

Skills/traits. Skill wise it's fairly simply. SIO! as stunbreak/condition removal for the team, FGJ is great offensive support and when combined with Banner of Disciplines' 'Furious Rally' you can maintain fury on the whole team as well as buff crit damage by 10%. Traits are pretty flexible and can be swapped to what you need, but Fast Hands is hugely useful and as burst skills aren't terrible useful in PvE (Longbow's aside) the stacking adrenaline traits help beef up your damage output.

Base stat wise you're looking at:

3.1k Attack

22.5k Health

2.7k-2.9k Armour

38% Crit rate (+Food, Accuracy, Fury and Heightened Focus this climbs to a bit over 70%)

70% Crit damage (+Food for extra)

Axe auto attacks crit for between 2-2.4k depending on might stacks, what food you use (I just go with the cheap Minotaur steaks) and presence of vulnerability whilst giving you a solid interrupt and brief invulnerability. Longbow will crit for around 2k, with Arcing Shot up to 7k.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:31 PM

I'm more a Guardian player (fractal 40+), but I still play with my Warrior.

I tank with my Guardian and still only have 15k hp, so with my Healing Shout Warrior the 21K hp (without any vitality on my gear) is FAR from enough. I use Knight Armor/ Weapons, and Berserker's Jewel.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:25 PM

View PostPuandro, on 27 January 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

Salvage it.

One does not simply salvage Karma armor. It does not work. I'll swap to one of my 3 other sets, then, leaving this one in the bank. Someday, I will probably transmute the runes if i want to play shout warr again...

Edited by Shinobu Oshino, 28 January 2013 - 07:25 PM.





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