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#1 shurick

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:55 PM

Since Arenanet nerfed grenades(i hope they burn in hell for this), i have no idea what i should be doing anymore....
i used to be full glass canon but it just pointless now. Should i just open a new char until something gets buffed back or is there any other build which i can use in the mean time?
was thinking to swich back to my power+pre+con but will it do any good?(will i still be able to contribute in, lets say arah?)

#2 Calebrus

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:55 AM

You should probably be doing less QQ and more Pew Pew.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:14 AM

pls open a new char :P

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:08 PM

View Postshurick, on 16 January 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

Should i just open a new char until something gets buffed back or is there any other build which i can use in the mean time?
No. All hope is lost. It won't get buffed back, all other characters are useless, and there are no other builds you can use. That single build that was nerfed was it, it was the answer to everything and even more than that. if you use something else then you will be betraying your core self. You need to uninstall the game right now, delete system32 folder, sell your computer on eBay and donate the money to the Red Cross.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

View PostCalebrus, on 17 January 2013 - 12:55 AM, said:

You should probably be doing less QQ and more Pew Pew.
Does this even mean anything?
Sorry but it gets annoying to see this stupid quote in so many posts.
And OP even with granade nerf and mountain of bugs in my opinion at least engi is still very interesting proffesion to play. I dont think that with this proffesion difference in damage between glass cannon and semi support or mixed condipower build will be that huge.

#6 shurick

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:26 PM

View Postraspberry jam, on 17 January 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

No. All hope is lost. It won't get buffed back, all other characters are useless, and there are no other builds you can use. That single build that was nerfed was it, it was the answer to everything and even more than that. if you use something else then you will be betraying your core self. You need to uninstall the game right now, delete system32 folder, sell your computer on eBay and donate the money to the Red Cross.
you ass!!! hahahaaha lol XD

View PostRezo, on 17 January 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

Does this even mean anything?
Sorry but it gets annoying to see this stupid quote in so many posts.
And OP even with granade nerf and mountain of bugs in my opinion at least engi is still very interesting proffesion to play. I dont think that with this proffesion difference in damage between glass cannon and semi support or mixed condipower build will be that huge.
I've been testing a lot of new builds in the last few days and i couldn't come up with anything that supports my game style hence i decide to ask for help. As i said i was thinking leaving the same traits 30/30/0/10/0 or maybe changing it to 30/20/0/20/0 for some
survivability and change equipment to power+pre+con

#7 Thaddeuz

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:27 PM

I used to have a Berserker's Grenade Engineer and since the nerf i play a Rampager's Grenade Engineer. Rampager's gear with good sigil you don't really change your gameplay or you dmg input.

- Against low hp mobs you still kill them really quickly.
- Against medium hp mobs you gonna see a difference. Pre Nerf Berserker's was better that Post Nerf Rampager. Your condition are not use at their maximum for this kind of encounter, but Grenade are still devastating against a group of mobs.
- Against high hp mobs i think i actually do more dmg that my pre nerf berserker's build. I'm not sure, but still its pretty close.

So you just need to change gear and the glory of the Grenadier still shine. :)

#8 shurick

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:26 PM

View PostThaddeuz, on 17 January 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

I used to have a Berserker's Grenade Engineer and since the nerf i play a Rampager's Grenade Engineer. Rampager's gear with good sigil you don't really change your gameplay or you dmg input.

- Against low hp mobs you still kill them really quickly.
- Against medium hp mobs you gonna see a difference. Pre Nerf Berserker's was better that Post Nerf Rampager. Your condition are not use at their maximum for this kind of encounter, but Grenade are still devastating against a group of mobs.
- Against high hp mobs i think i actually do more dmg that my pre nerf berserker's build. I'm not sure, but still its pretty close.

So you just need to change gear and the glory of the Grenadier still shine. :)
ic, and what do u use for jewelry,sigils, runes and traits?

#9 Thaddeuz

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:04 PM

View Postshurick, on 17 January 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

ic, and what do u use for jewelry,sigils, runes and traits?

I use rampager's gear for everything. So rampager's armor and coral jewel.

Trait
Explosives (30pts) : II, VIII et XI
Firearms (10pts) : V
Inventions (0pts)
Alchemy (30pts) : II, IX et IV
Tools (0pts)

I also try these two build recently since i felt already good enough with my surviability and wanted a little bit more dps :
Explosvies (30pts) II, VIII et XI
Firearms (20pts) : V et III
Invention (0pts)
Alchemy (20pts) : II et IX
Tools (0pts)

or

Explosvies (30pts) V, VIII et XI
Firearms (20pts) : V et VII
Invention (0pts)
Alchemy (20pts) : II et IX
Tools (0pts)

I use Sigil of Fire and Sigil of Accuracy on two pistol (I don't use them so it could also be pistol/shield). If you find the Sigil of Fire too expensive you could try the Sigil of Air (about 1/8 of the price of sigil of Fire)

Runes : 2 Runes of Lyssa, 2 Runes of the Mad King and 2 Coral Orbs. (If you find the Runes of Lyssa and Mad King too expensive you could also use 6 Coral Orbs).

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:09 PM

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#11 shurick

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:01 PM

View PostThaddeuz, on 17 January 2013 - 06:04 PM, said:

I also try these two build recently since i felt already good enough with my surviability and wanted a little bit more dps :
Explosvies (30pts) II, VIII et XI
Firearms (20pts) : V et III
Invention (0pts)
Alchemy (20pts) : II et IX
Tools (0pts)

or

Explosvies (30pts) V, VIII et XI
Firearms (20pts) : V et VII
Invention (0pts)
Alchemy (20pts) : II et IX
Tools (0pts)

I use Sigil of Fire and Sigil of Accuracy on two pistol (I don't use them so it could also be pistol/shield). If you find the Sigil of Fire too expensive you could try the Sigil of Air (about 1/8 of the price of sigil of Fire)

Runes : 2 Runes of Lyssa, 2 Runes of the Mad King and 2 Coral Orbs. (If you find the Runes of Lyssa and Mad King too expensive you could also use 6 Coral Orbs).
seems nice.. i am testing something similar atm
full berserker equipment(including jewels)
Explosvies (30pts) V, VII et XI
Firearms (20pts) : IV et IX
Alchemy (20pts) : II et IX
superior sigil of bloodlust(got rifle) and superior rune of ogre
making an interesting combination of skills
took very interesting skills elixir H +B hidden pistol and grenade kit and supply drop.
i also take a food which gives me another 20% boon duration, in total i have 40% which boosts me nicely

Edited by shurick, 17 January 2013 - 09:04 PM.


#12 chado2011

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:46 PM

View PostCalebrus, on 17 January 2013 - 12:55 AM, said:

You should probably be doing less QQ and more Pew Pew.


^^

Spot on.

And yes, it means a lot. You want him to just come out and say "dude you probably just suck.. spend the effort practicing instead of whining?"?

#13 shurick

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:20 AM

View Postchado2011, on 17 January 2013 - 11:46 PM, said:

^^

Spot on.

And yes, it means a lot. You want him to just come out and say "dude you probably just suck.. spend the effort practicing instead of whining?"?
well dunno about that, i admit i am no pro, But i do play engi since beta and this post just represents what i feel. if you don't agree that's your choice m8 <3

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:35 AM

Maybe it's just me, seeing as I got my engi to 80 post-nerf, but playing as a power build grenadier is still pretty awesome.

Maybe since you've been playing it since beta you've gotten used to too awesome being the standard?

*shrugs* my 2cents

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:51 AM

View Postshurick, on 16 January 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

Since Arenanet nerfed grenades(i hope they burn in hell for this), i have no idea what i should be doing anymore....
i used to be full glass canon but it just pointless now. Should i just open a new char until something gets buffed back or is there any other build which i can use in the mean time?
was thinking to swich back to my power+pre+con but will it do any good?(will i still be able to contribute in, lets say arah?)
Coming off a little strong there bud.
Well if you don't enjoy the play style of the engineer then yes: reroll, that's a fairly simple solution if you don't enjoy something stop doing it. If you do enjoy the Engie but feel you're ineffective then roll a condition spam or more supportive build, I don't think Engies will  ever be as effective of a glass cannon as other professions again though.

#16 shurick

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:40 AM

I enjoy playing with my engi no matter what. Perhaps my frustration does come from the fact that i just got used to "glass cannoning" but it is mainly because it really felt like I excelled this way. Now it just seems that i am mid char in every aspect of the game. There will always be someone who does better dmg, there will always be someone who tanks better and so on...

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:49 AM

Super productive thread here, right boys?

You are fooling yourself, user. Nothing here is what it seems. ANet is not the plucky hero, Guru is not an evil empire, and this is not the grand arena.



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